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Omicron "variant of concern"

The vaccine is not and never was intended to prevent you from getting COVID, all it does is make you a little less likely to get it and a whole lot less likely to need to be hospitalized or die from it. People don't understand that there is no guarantee of immunity, and pretending/behaving as if you are immune after you have been vaccinated is just utter stupidity. Nobody ever promised that from the vaccine.
Absolutely correct.

Here is an excerpt from the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization announcement in December 2020:

"The vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 disease among these clinical trial participants..."


95% immunity ain't 100% immunity, at least to those of us that can understand third grade math.
 
And here I thought Hickory was the least intelligent person to post on this board.
You ma’am are an idiot
One, I'm not a ma'am, and two you have to be an idiot, sorry, just said it! Believe what you want to believe, I don't know you and I don't really care if you die, but no well wishes on that if you are that f'n stupid!
 
One, I'm not a ma'am, and two you have to be an idiot, sorry, just said it! Believe what you want to believe, I don't know you and I don't really care if you die, but no well wishes on that if you are that f'n stupid!
You think 30% are going to die once infected with CoViD.
Run along ankle biter.
 
You do know the shortage isn’t beds??? It’s nurses.
An IU Health spokesman also just said there is a shortage of monoclonal antibodies, they cannot prescribe it to all the people that need it.

Does it matter why there are not enough beds, there are not enough.
 
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An IU Health spokesman also just said there is a shortage of monoclonal antibodies, they cannot prescribe it to all the people that need it.

Does it matter why there are not enough beds, there are not enough.
Too much administration. Going to have to get some of those Nurses back on the floor.
 
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Too much administration. Going to have to get some of those Nurses back on the floor.

We had a known nursing shortage going back 10 years. 20% more quit, mostly over burnout.
 
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We had a known nursing shortage going back 10 years. 20% more quit, mostly over burnout.
I know a ton of nurses. A ton! They work a 3 day week. 3 - 12 hour shifts. What more can be done? It only takes two years at a juco to be a nurse.
 
Absolutely correct.

Here is an excerpt from the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization announcement in December 2020:

"The vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 disease among these clinical trial participants..."


95% immunity ain't 100% immunity, at least to those of us that can understand third grade math.
Those numbers aren’t remotely accurate for the variants. That was against original strain.
 
An IU Health spokesman also just said there is a shortage of monoclonal antibodies, they cannot prescribe it to all the people that need it.

Does it matter why there are not enough beds, there are not enough.
It kinda matters. The narrative from media is that the beds are full of COVID patients. In reality it’s due to the staff missing from quarantine (due to infection, exposure, testing, etc). The narrative is incorrect.

Again, if we’re testing asymptomatic HCPs we’re continuing to shoot ourselves in the foot.
 
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It kinda matters. The narrative from media is that the beds are full of COVID patients. In reality it’s due to the staff missing from quarantine (due to infection, exposure, testing, etc). The narrative is incorrect.
Both are accurate. IU Health says they have more people now than last January's wave (general hospital).

Let us go to Aloha's career. A person can say on a ship with a hole, "we are taking on too much water and will sink". Someone might correct them and say the ship is overcrowded and that is the problem. It really doesn't matter, the main point is the ship is sinking.
 
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We had a known nursing shortage going back 10 years. 20% more quit, mostly over burnout.
The local hospital started requiring a bs a few years ago. Let a bunch of Rn’s and LPNs walk. Now they’re offering them 20 grand sign on bonus. A lot have told them to shove it.
 
Both are accurate. IU Health says they have more people now than last January's wave (general hospital).

Let us go to Aloha's career. A person can say on a ship with a hole, "we are taking on too much water and will sink". Someone might correct them and say the ship is overcrowded and that is the problem. It really doesn't matter, the main point is the ship is sinking.
2 points
1) I hate the media. As we've discussed a headline can read hospital Y is overwhelmed with Covid patients. In truth they had 30 beds. 28 with non Covid patients and added 3 Covid patients. Now they are overwhelmed. Technically true but fear porn.
2) Something has to change in care. Licensing, waivers, qualifications, borders, pay, something.
 
Both are accurate. IU Health says they have more people now than last January's wave (general hospital).
they should explain the hypothesis behind this. Nobody was vaccinated last January and now 70% of the country is. If the vaccine is supposed to keep people out of the hospital - which it is - then they should explain.

There can be a litany of reasons for surges in hospitals. If it’s COVID then the vaccine doesn’t work - and we know that’s not true.
 
Those numbers aren’t remotely accurate for the variants. That was against original strain.
After admitting the numbers were accurate as released for the original strain, why do you try to create a false issue by saying they weren't applicable to the variants that came along several months later? No one is claiming they were.

The point was that nobody ever claimed the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing Covid.
 
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Both are accurate. IU Health says they have more people now than last January's wave (general hospital).

Let us go to Aloha's career. A person can say on a ship with a hole, "we are taking on too much water and will sink". Someone might correct them and say the ship is overcrowded and that is the problem. It really doesn't matter, the main point is the ship is sinking.
Trump now says, "the vaccine works," and that should be enough for all the doubters.

 
After admitting the numbers were accurate as released for the original strain, why do you try to create a false issue by saying they weren't applicable to the variants that came along several months later? No one is claiming they were.

The point was that nobody ever claimed the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing Covid.
We were told by the CDC in May that the vaccinated can return to normal life. Revisionist history to claim they disclaimed anything
 
they should explain the hypothesis behind this. Nobody was vaccinated last January and now 70% of the country is. If the vaccine is supposed to keep people out of the hospital - which it is - then they should explain.

There can be a litany of reasons for surges in hospitals. If it’s COVID then the vaccine doesn’t work - and we know that’s not true.

They still say the vast majority are unvaccinated. Add in that Delta spread more easily than Alpha.

We might hit this with omicron, if it is half as dangerous but four times easier to spread, what happens?
 
After admitting the numbers were accurate as released for the original strain, why do you try to create a false issue by saying they weren't applicable to the variants that came along several months later? No one is claiming they were.

The point was that nobody ever claimed the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing Covid.
Really? No one ever said the vaccines weren’t 100%? Ok.

 
they should explain the hypothesis behind this. Nobody was vaccinated last January and now 70% of the country is. If the vaccine is supposed to keep people out of the hospital - which it is - then they should explain.

There can be a litany of reasons for surges in hospitals. If it’s COVID then the vaccine doesn’t work - and we know that’s not true.
They are admitting patients that they would’ve sent home previously
That’s not to say there aren’t some really sick patients right now.
As Marv said, mostly unvaccinated
 
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An IU Health spokesman also just said there is a shortage of monoclonal antibodies, they cannot prescribe it to all the people that need it.

Does it matter why there are not enough beds, there are not enough.
It matters because they’re firing nurses that aren’t vaccinated. They worked through the worst of pandemic and many have natural immunity. So yea it matters the shortage isn’t beds.
 
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Really? No one ever said the vaccines weren’t 100%? Ok.

Everybody see this? aajohn posted a link that doesn't prove or even mention what he claimed.
 
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