Yes. Compare the risks in young people from Covid vs. from vaccine. I believe the risk of myocarditis from Covid is higher than from the vaccine, even when controlling for age. BICBW.
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Yes. Compare the risks in young people from Covid vs. from vaccine. I believe the risk of myocarditis from Covid is higher than from the vaccine, even when controlling for age. BICBW.
I don't think that's true. I think the vaccines clearly slow transmission a significant degree. But most importantly, they also dramatically decrease the incidence of severe illness. Keeping people out of hospitals is the most important thing we can do in our f*cked up health care system that is always three patients away from collapse.
I believe you're correct Mark but I'd like to know too.
A healthy unvaccinated 18-30 year old who gets Covid and ends up with heart issues vs a healthy vaccinated 18-30 yr old and gets heart issues from the vax - comparative data
We will probably never know because of the asymptomatic component. Which is still hard for me to wrap my head around.
From what I see, it is:
The Benefits of Vaccinating Kids against COVID Far Outweigh the Risks of Myocarditis
Vaccination is likely to prevent many more COVID cases than it is to cause a rare and nonfatal heart side effect in five- to 11-year-olds
www.google.com
I think the reasonableness of the hesitancy certainly decreases over time and experience. Billions have been fully vaccinated. The hospitalization data is overwhelming. If you haven’t been vaccinated it’s because you never will.
Shouldn't be hard. If they present with myocarditis, check vax status and check for antibodies.
I don’t think it is quite that easy…but then it’s been 25 years since I’ve had an immunology course.
Based on his other posts, I'd guess whatever the current equivalent of the Daily Stormer is.
The vaccine at this point protects you maybe 25-60% from getting infected, depending on the variant, the vaccine, the time since vaccination, and the study.
The vaccine at this point protects you maybe 40-80% from getting symptoms, same caveats
The vaccine at this point protects you maybe 70-90% from getting hospitalized, same caveats
The vaccine at this point protects you maybe 90-95% from death, same caveats
We can debate what those numbers are, who they are, when, and why. And these are my guesses, but they're based on several studies, and an expectation of omicron's likely impact.
But no aspect of protection is 0%, or anywhere near it
A lot of judgmental and vindictive tone by many during this situation. It’s pretty sad.
I got the booster in early October, not long after it became available. No negative effects, and it has given me peace of mind with all the people I’m around on a daily basis.
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I’d like to see the data behind the transmission prevention especially with Delta. It’s obviously too early for Omicron data. All I know is that the most vaccinated countries still get many cases and schools requiring vaccination are getting hammered by cases. About 60% of my friends that are vaccinated (and many boosted) have all had breakthroughs in the last six weeks.
Vaccines are a no brainer for the at risk (which is a lot of people), but I find mandates and further the pressure being put on people to vaccinate young kids to be disgusting.
IIRC 54 people in the US have gotten heart issues (thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome) from vax, 9 died. I think 4 were women 20-39, 2 were older men, 3 were older women.
I don't know how many of the 800,000 unvaxxed infected dead Americans had heart issues. A shit ton more than 9, though.
I think it’s highly unlikely we’ll ever get even 50 percent of the third world countries vaccinated. This is going to end like the Spanish Flu did - it will evolve to a rarely lethal virus. Virus Lives Matter too.
@UncleMark so what do you say to the morons that got the JJ vaccine? Wanna bet whether we find more problems with Pfizer & Moderna?
CDC recommends people not get J&J vaccine if Pfizer, Moderna are available
CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky signed off on language that says the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna are the "preferred" options over Johnson & Johnson's.
www.nbcnews.com
Stop calling me a moron.@UncleMark so what do you say to the morons that got the JJ vaccine? Wanna bet whether we find more problems with Pfizer & Moderna?
CDC recommends people not get J&J vaccine if Pfizer, Moderna are available
CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky signed off on language that says the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna are the "preferred" options over Johnson & Johnson's.
Seems we throw the word moron around on here with people who aren’t morons that have concerns with the vaccines.
Do you happen to know if people needed 2 shots plus a booster with polio vaccine?
He should get vaccinated or his career is over. I have no influence on this, but I can advise.
I replied incorrectly to you instead of UncleMark response.
BTW I’ve got 3 golf buddies in Evansville that had some issues with their hearts after the booster. They all seem fine now but got a scare. Who’s to say they don’t end up with some damage to their hearts? Do you remember the promises of the vaccine back in January? I don’t remember any mention of a booster and maybe a fourth shot. I don’t remember being told you will most likely still get Covid, it just won’t be as deadly.
I know that. Many careers are going to be over. I am glad he didn’t follow some of his friends advice to just go get the JJ vaccine.
Edit: what happens if the CDC comes out and advises, sorry but we now believe the vaccines can cause problems in pregnancies?
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I don’t know, I’m just putting my trust in the scientists to stay alive during this pandemic. I’ve followed the guidelines from the outset and hope I bet on the right horse. I don’t overthink it with “what if’s” because I’m not qualified to outthink the science and recommendations.
I think I may have had Covid a week or two ago, but the symptoms were so mild I didn’t even think of it until after the fact.
The girls in my office think I had it in Jan-Feb 2020. I was sick for almost a month but worked through it like I’ve always done when sick.
Call me a kook but I think even the scientists have become political. I no longer trust or have faith in our government or the scientists.
The fact that Covid is a moving target with many variants is challenging to the scientists, and equally challenging for the government’s response and messaging.
The inconsistent communication and messaging to citizens can create distrust, but I’m still confident that our government wants what’s best for it’s citizens as related to health concerns, no matter which political party is in office at the time.
I know how your buddies feel. I did my regular 3hrs bike ride like 24hrs after my 2nd jab. I thought I wasn't going to make it home that night. Felt like I was building up to a heart attack. Then I got multiple cramps during my sleep that night.
So for the booster shot, I waited like a week before I went for my 3hrs ride. Even then I felt I was near death. My heart rate was 20-25% higher than normal for each section of the ride.
btw they are preparing for a 4th booster shot here in SG.
Also for those who got the two Pfizer jabs only, the MOH SG are recommending that you get a Moderna for the booster. They seem to think its more effective to mix it for Omicron.
I know people who went to CVS and tried to get Moderna booster who’s first vaccines were Pfizer. CVS wouldn’t give them Moderna.
I believe it was CVS. My memory could be wrong.
I got Moderna instead of Pfizer simply because we all know that - Moderna is the drug of choice for the modern man.
I am the Moderna Man. But seriously I only get Moderna only because the vac centre was nearby.
With me I've always said that I fear the long term effects of covid more that the long term effects of the vaccine. It's a gamble because I could end up with covid after taking the vaccine.
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