Melania is going solo to the State of the Union

[Noodle]

Interesting point. But I disagree. You want your audience to think in pictures. “Hands” are more visual than “labor”.

FWIW, this is why Trump used “gleaming” when describing roads and bridges. He could have said “beautiful” but he has worn out that word. Both focus on images and not language.

What the heck does a gleaming road look like? Does it glow in the dark so it doesn't need street lights? Is the surface shiny (but not slick)? Yes, gleaming invokes an image, but it's not one most people would associate with roads, bridges, highways, etc.

 

[Noodle]

Is this discussion what law school is like?

It's worse--because there are usually multiple CO-types in every class. The type that the entire class groans as soon as they raise their hand.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Tim Farley had a person on POTUS this morning who has taught public speaking at Yale and now I guess runs a consulting firm who suggested that she didn't think Trump had practiced the speech and may not have even read it. She said often he didn't seem to know where the speech was going.

I didn't watch so I cannot comment, just pointing out how two people can watch the same event and have completely different views.

I think he has had general coaching in speaking. I agree some of his pacing in the SOTU was awkward. More practice might have helped.

 

[toastedbread]

It's worse--because there are usually multiple CO-types in every class. The type that the entire class groans as soon as they raise their hand.

heck, i'm not in law school and I have 2 classes with one of those. This guy doesn't shut up and his comments are routinely vacuous.

 

[Noodle]

heck, i'm not in law school and I have 2 classes with one of those. This guy doesn't shut up and his comments are routinely vacuous.

That's probably even worse. At least in law school you are expected to be an active participant. Preferably it's meaningful participation, or at least marginally relevant participation.

Friend of mine is a first year law student and he said one of his professors schedules the days that each student is expected to answer questions, explain, etc. Seems like an odd way to teach via the Socratic method. In fact, it's more like a scheduled quiz that is only taken by 3 or 4 students at a time. Of course I had a constitutional law professor that not only said on the first day that he did not care if you participated or not, but also gave us a final consisting of 50 multiple choice questions--yes, for constitutional law. Sure, some of the bar exam is like that. But no law school final should be like that (well, OK, maybe something like estate and gift tax--yes, as bad as it sounds, and only took it because it used be on the Ohio bar exam).

 

[IUBBALLAWOL]

Has there ever been a POTUS with below 50% favorability his entire term? That's my parting wish for Trump. That and four hundred more creases in his countenance.

Has there ever been a president with 8 straight years of less than 3% GDP? Yea one. And he is revered by the left. Hard to fathom.

 

[MrBing]

I'm conflicted about that. On the one hand, I see your point. Just because someone has the right name doesn't make them qualified. On the other hand, I don't like someone like Trump who has no clue how to get things done. With a dynasty, at least they have an idea of how things run, how to work with both sides, and how legislature works. I wouldn't automatically qualify or disqualify someone because of their last name.

I'm not a fan of aristocratic privilege. What are the odds that this results in the best leaders? It happens in business and politics and I would say that it's not the best way. I should it be a meritocracy and not who's the son or daughter of the powerful.

 

[iuwclurker1]

#MeToo

 

[Noodle]

I think he has had general coaching in speaking. I agree some of his pacing in the SOTU was awkward. More practice might have helped.

There is no way that Trump had not read his speech at least a couple of times. Sure, it wasn't a great delivery. But it was a hell of a lot better than it would have been if he was reading for the first time straight from the teleprompter. Very few people could pull off something like that.

 

[iuwclurker1]

It's worse--because there are usually multiple CO-types in every class. The type that the entire class groans as soon as they raise their hand.

What do judges say about them?

 

[MrBing]

There is no way that Trump had not read his speech at least a couple of times. Sure, it wasn't a great delivery. But it was a hell of a lot better than it would have been if he was reading for the first time straight from the teleprompter. Very few people could pull off something like that.

I agree because he's usually unlistenable. He wasn't as horrible so he must have practiced.

 

[twenty02]

Has there ever been a president with 8 straight years of less than 3% GDP? Yea one. And he is revered by the left. Hard to fathom.

Is 60% of the country to the "left"?

 

[iuwclurker1]

I'm not a fan of aristocratic privilege. What are the odds that this results in the best leaders? It happens in business and politics and I would say that it's not the best way. I should it be a meritocracy and not who's the son or daughter of the powerful.

The Greek word aristocracy means rule by the best. Question is, how to get ruled by the best?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

It's worse--because there are usually multiple CO-types in every class. The type that the entire class groans as soon as they raise their hand.

Actually I groaned when the most difficult and disliked professor complimented me in front of the class.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

What the heck does a gleaming road look like? Does it glow in the dark so it doesn't need street lights? Is the surface shiny (but not slick)? Yes, gleaming invokes an image, but it's not one most people would associate with roads, bridges, highways, etc.

Beats me. It doesn’t matter. The point is the picture.

 

[hoosboot]

Beats me. It doesn’t matter. The point is the picture.

You're kind of glossing over the point that Noodle is asking "What is the picture?" Other parts were better, but the language in that part was silly.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

Cool. Keep on keeping on with worshipping a serial adulterer, lying hypocrite, and racist buffoon while acting like a Christian. All because of that R next to his name. I’ve still yet to get a response from you regarding him joking about aborting his daughter.

Attacking Christianity again are we? Name calling? Awe RB we will pray for you.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You're kind of glossing over the point that Noodle is asking "What is the picture?" Other parts were better, but the language in that part was silly.

I disagree. Listeners don’t need to agree to a particular picture. The point is that images make more of an immediate impression than words. If you don’t hold up a photo, you direct the listeners to think of an image.

Who will be the first POTUS to use a flip chart or Power Point at the SOTU?

 

[hoosboot]

I disagree. Listeners don’t need to agree to a particular picture. The point is that images make more of an immediate impression than words. If you don’t hold up a photo, you direct the listeners to think of an image.

Who will be the first POTUS to use a flip chart or Power Point at the SOTU?

That's silly. You use compelling words so that you don't have to use a flip chart or PowerPoint, but you're still trying to move people towards something. Otherwise, you would just throw a bunch of pretty words together and...get what Trump got. An image that moved Noodle to envision a glow-in-the-dark road. Sometimes using adjectives more commonly used to describe other items proves novel and effective. In this case, it proved silly and confusing.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

That's silly. You use compelling words so that you don't have to use a flip chart or PowerPoint, but you're still trying to move people towards something. Otherwise, you would just throw a bunch of pretty words together and...get what Trump got. An image that moved Noodle to envision a glow-in-the-dark road. Sometimes using adjectives more commonly used to describe other items proves novel and effective. In this case, it proved silly and confusing.

True. It is would take more creativity and work to paint a word picture than it would to show a picture. Powerpoints and flip charts serve a purpose, but they can also be a lazy way to communicate. (How many presentations have you attended where the presenter merely reads his or her power point slides? ugh.). I agree that a word picture delivered by a good story-teller is very effective communication. Whether or not certain words are silly depends on the audience. Many pundits claim Trump blew his chance and unity last night. They are talking about unifying congress. Ain't gonna happen. Trump knew his audience wasn't congress or even the pundits or even Coolerites. Trump's unity message was directed at the millions of viewers who don't pay a lot of attention to politics.

 

[hoosboot]

True. It is would take more creativity and work to paint a word picture than it would to show a picture. Powerpoints and flip charts serve a purpose, but they can also be a lazy way to communicate. (How many presentations have you attended where the presenter merely reads his or her power point slides? ugh.). I agree that a word picture delivered by a good story-teller is very effective communication. Whether or not certain words are silly depends on the audience. Many pundits claim Trump blew his chance and unity last night. They are talking about unifying congress. Ain't gonna happen. Trump knew his audience wasn't congress or even the pundits or even Coolerites. Trump's unity message was directed at the millions of viewers who don't pay a lot of attention to politics.

Okay. But, gleaming is a silly and ineffective word to use to describe roads, bridges, etc.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Okay. But, gleaming is a silly and ineffective word to use to describe roads, bridges, etc.

Maybe he should have said "shining bridge on the hill".

 

[hoosboot]

Maybe he should have said "shining bridge on the hill".

I now see why you think that the speech written for Trump was effective. You're just not very good at this painting pictures with words thing.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I now see why you think that the speech written for Trump was effective. You're just not very good at this painting pictures with words thing.

Got it. I thought if that as I posted the emoji.

 

[IUBBALLAWOL]

I am more concerned about Pelosi's health,. She looked putrid last night. Well more so than usual anyway. Has she been having health problems besides mental?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I am more concerned about Pelosi's health,. She looked putrid last night. Well more so than usual anyway. Has she been having health problems besides mental?

I would love to say "Yep, it all began when you started dating her", but I will not say that.

Edit- forgot smily

 

[IUBBALLAWOL]

I would love to say "Yep, it all began when you started dating her", but I will not say that.

Edit- forgot smily

She is more your age. Old enough to be my mom.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I am more concerned about Pelosi's health,. She looked putrid last night. Well more so than usual anyway. Has she been having health problems besides mental?

She looked like her Depends were soaked.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

That's probably even worse. At least in law school you are expected to be an active participant. Preferably it's meaningful participation, or at least marginally relevant participation.

Friend of mine is a first year law student and he said one of his professors schedules the days that each student is expected to answer questions, explain, etc. Seems like an odd way to teach via the Socratic method. In fact, it's more like a scheduled quiz that is only taken by 3 or 4 students at a time. Of course I had a constitutional law professor that not only said on the first day that he did not care if you participated or not, but also gave us a final consisting of 50 multiple choice questions--yes, for constitutional law. Sure, some of the bar exam is like that. But no law school final should be like that (well, OK, maybe something like estate and gift tax--yes, as bad as it sounds, and only took it because it used be on the Ohio bar exam).

I loved Estate & Gift Tax. One of my favorite classes.

I know, I'm weird.

 

[Sope Creek]

What the heck does a gleaming road look like? Does it glow in the dark so it doesn't need street lights? Is the surface shiny (but not slick)? Yes, gleaming invokes an image, but it's not one most people would associate with roads, bridges, highways, etc.

Trump wrapped himself in a nationalist lexicon derived from national symbols . . . he took at least 5 minutes talking about the beautiful flag and the kid who made sure flags were positioned on veterans' graves, and then he referenced the gleaming roads is an attempt to invoke the national anthem - "at the twilight's last gleaming".

He's using the German WWII propaganda playbook . . . coarse, but effective with some so are pre-inclined that direction.

 

[Sope Creek]

I now see why you think that the speech written for Trump was effective. You're just not very good at this painting pictures with words thing.

I dunno, I think he's got Trump's style down pat. Hmmmmmmm . . . .

 

[Noodle]

Trump wrapped himself in a nationalist lexicon derived from national symbols . . . he took at least 5 minutes talking about the beautiful flag and the kid who made sure flags were positioned on veterans' graves, and then he referenced the gleaming roads is an attempt to invoke the national anthem - "at the twilight's last gleaming".

He's using the German WWII propaganda playbook . . . coarse, but effective with some so are pre-inclined that direction.

Trying to evoke the lyrics of the anthem by using the word gleaming? Hmmm.....

 

[Sope Creek]

Trying to evoke the lyrics of the anthem by using the word gleaming? Hmmm.....

When does anyone in the US use the word "gleaming"? Maybe a realtor . . .

 

[Noodle]

When does anyone in the US use the word "gleaming"? Maybe a realtor . . .

You forget that classic movie Gleaming the Cube?

 

[Noodle]

When does anyone in the US use the word "gleaming"? Maybe a realtor . . .

Or a real estate mogul?

 

[VanPastorMan]

The Greek word aristocracy means rule by the best. Question is, how to get ruled by the best?

Plenty of people in Washington think they are the best but they are not. Our form of government is not about being ruled. It is about governing the collective will of the people through representative government. Those people in Washington work for us and many of them have forgotten this fact.

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

You forget that classic movie Gleaming the Cube?

Oh.My.God.

 

[hoosboot]

Plenty of people in Washington think they are the best but they are not. Our form of government is not about being ruled. It is about governing the collective will of the people through representative government. Those people in Washington work for us and many of them have forgotten this fact.

Not. Self. Aware.

 

[RBB89]

Plenty of people in Washington think they are the best but they are not. Our form of government is not about being ruled. It is about governing the collective will of the people through representative government. Those people in Washington work for us and many of them have forgotten this fact.

Your total lack of self awareness is mind-boggling.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

Your total lack of self awareness is mind-boggling.

You are still a crack up.... do you always speak in leftisms? Funny little guy