So why vote a guy into the highest leadership position who has been one of the reasons for that? McCarthy was more a leader of the GOP than Paul Ryan when that was going on, he got passed over then because people didn't like/trust him.
Once again, you make bogus claims - just like with "Russia Russia Russia".
Don't just zero in on immigration or what can pass now. What is the vision? Why should people vote for the establishment GOP position? What even is the establishment GOP position anymore? The working paper you linked had "build the wall" as like the first position, that is literally the Trump position. What is their plan to advance that?
Are these far right lunatics who need to be banished or are they the thought leaders? My point is that the messaging is ****ed in the GOP right now.
They are the evil people who have to be sidelined, you tell me.
Exactly. McCarthy was basically powerless but he's being blamed for past Republican leadership shortcomings.
I don't believe in the whole RINO thing either. In reality, RINO is used in place of establishment Republican. I don't disagree with what you are saying. In a diverse country sometimes you are forced into what you can get. My main beef with the GOP that I think the Democrats are currently doing a better job at is setting the table for the discussion. They are getting closer to what they want because they have a vision they are trying to execute. It disagree with that vision so I mostly agree with the GOP being the "No" Party in that context. However, they have worked themselves into a corner where they are offering no alternatives and in our political environment they can't be seen to do nothing so we often end up with "No to what you asked for but yes to 80% of it after we argue." That compromise is great for Democrats. They get 80% of what they want. For those of us who don't like what they want and prefer something else, we are being told that 20% reduction was a great compromise and a win. No it wasn't you establishment ass hats. You are losing the field position battle. What is our offense going to do to move the ball? I don't need a 30 yd pass completion every down but dammit I need 3 yards and a cloud of dust at least.I agree that politicians need a vision. Incumbent in that though should be the knowledge that in a diverse country one often is forced into what we can get. The far left and far right lose sight of that. Hence why Manchin was public enemy #1 for progressives for quite a while (maybe #2 behind Sinema).
I get why you don't like McCarthy, and I'm actually not arguing for him by any means. My argument comes from a concept that there is such a thing as RINO, or a real Republican (and substitute Democrat here if you want). And I am also saying what happens in the Democratic Party is no different in any substantive way.
When Pelosi won Speaker in 2019, 15 Democrats voted for someone other than Pelosi. Doesn't that shatter the "Democrats are always unified" argument made by some?
What the Democrats got through wasn't vision. It was just boring old legislation. The difference between the two parties is the Dems keep their radical wing in check enough to not allow them to stop the process of legislating.
What has McCarthy ever done to convince you that he can be taken at his word? What short leash leverage do any of these people have once he is seated? Zip, zero, nada. Nothing is getting passed to the right side of ghe ledger anyway, the only thing McCarthy will have the power to do is the 80/20 splits with the Democrats I mentioned above. After McConnell's knife in the back on the budget, why go along to get along now?
The main difference is Pelosi's opposition were moderates from competitive districts who had electoral reasons to distance themselves from her, while McCarthy's opponents are all right-wingers from deep red safe districts.I agree that politicians need a vision. Incumbent in that though should be the knowledge that in a diverse country one often is forced into what we can get. The far left and far right lose sight of that. Hence why Manchin was public enemy #1 for progressives for quite a while (maybe #2 behind Sinema).
I get why you don't like McCarthy, and I'm actually not arguing for him by any means. My argument comes from a concept that there is such a thing as RINO, or a real Republican (and substitute Democrat here if you want). And I am also saying what happens in the Democratic Party is no different in any substantive way.
When Pelosi won Speaker in 2019, 15 Democrats voted for someone other than Pelosi. Doesn't that shatter the "Democrats are always unified" argument made by some?
How willing were Democrats to work with Trump on immigration? Were they willing to even consider a wall in return for other measures?
McCarthy needs to bargain. Maybe he can fix Gaetz up with a teen or two.
What has any politician done to convince me he can be taken at his word, besides Trump? Like you, I detest much of Trump's behavior. But the man fights for his position, much of which I agree with. Do I like Bernie? No. Do I admire him for his commitment to his beliefs? Yes, I do.
Gaetz is setting himself up for a big fall. He's enjoying the spotlight now, but he'll pay for it politically down the road. imo, of course.
From where I sit, respectively disagree. The GOP doesn't even get to pass boring old legislation that is supported by conservatives because we always are playing an away game. The "radical" wing is standing in the way of passing what exactly? The things you see them blocking are things that give the Democrats most of what they want while getting a pittance in return. "They won't vote to raise the debt ceiling." Well if they had their way, we would be reducing what we extend, not expanding. And if the GOP wants to be the lower taxes and increase spending party officially, they need to explain why that is good.
What kind of vision can be implemented while the country slides further into socialism and further into the swamp - into a country run by government bureaucrats and unelected officials who allow early morning home invasions for accusations of breaking process rules?
He has been the manager for a few years now. He ain't the guy. Someone else might not be either, but I know he isn't.
Oh, that's rich. Like the Democrat agenda isn't full-blown state control of everything.
As minority leader as one side of the legislature, what has he been able to manage?
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Didn't the Democrats and Republicans come to a bipartisan deal that provided 5 billion dollars for the Wall and kept the government from going into shutdown but then Trump blew it up at the last minute because it wasn't strong enough (or something like that)? It was a compromise that Democrats were willing to go with to give Trump some of his wall funding and keep the government running.
The Progressives want Congress to pass laws, impose new taxes, etc. The Freedom Caucus doesn't want Congress to do much of anything. So, it might be easier for the Dems to muster their left wing than the Pubs and their right wing. The right wing simply doesn't need their own leadership.
Maybe they should start a new party. Seems like what they are trying to do right now.
The radical left wing WANTS to legislate. I'm not certain the radical right wants to the same thing.
So MFA by 2034? I really, really want out at 59 1/2
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Who said anything about not lining up? Why does it HAVE to be McCarthy? There are over 200 other options.
There are over 200 Representatives that want McCarthy. 19 that don't.
You’re exactly like your hero. Ignoring anything you don’t like and pretending it doesn’t exist. Duped is mild for the world you live in. Join reality occasionally. It feels good. I doubt there is anyone besides you who believes all those wrestlers are lying. And so you stand up for a slime like Jim Jordan. At some point, I’d think your conscience would begin to bother you.
