Hahha...the little bitch is in major political danger, and NOW decides to pause in his crusade to destroy the country formerly known as Canada...
So he’s Harris……..Hahha...the little bitch is in major political danger, and NOW decides to pause in his crusade to destroy the country formerly known as Canada...
It’s pretty remarkable how much immigration politics have shifted in the past several years.
Yes and no. The narrative always was its good for countries economies. However, that is a bullshit. Almost all immigration is a net negative for developed nations, with large safety nets. And it’s especially bad for the working class people living in the country.It’s pretty remarkable how much immigration politics have shifted in the past several years.
Yes and no. The narrative always was its good for countries economies. However, that is a bullshit. Almost all immigration is a net negative for developed nations, with large safety nets. And it’s especially bad for the working class people living in the country.
They’re both signs of a decaying society.A country either has immigration or emigration. Which one you think is worse?
They’re both signs of a decaying society.
It’s just math. The bottom half if society takes more than they produce.Ah.. The Yogi Berra position... 'Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded'
Not that the past is predictive of the future in all cases, but our most productive citizens are probably descended from people who came over in a free for all. I only say that to suggest that when it comes to the value of a particular immigrant, we have to consider future generations, as well.You just said immigration. I think we should have a lot of immigration.... But it should be done a much more deliberate and intentional manner. Not the free for all we have now.
Not that the past is predictive of the future in all cases, but our most productive citizens are probably descended from people who came over in a free for all. I only say that to suggest that when it comes to the value of a particular immigrant, we have to consider future generations, as well.
Yes and no. The narrative always was its good for countries economies. However, that is a bullshit. Almost all immigration is a net negative for developed nations, with large safety nets. And it’s especially bad for the working class people living in the country.
I appreciate the link and was curious how they came up with their claims. Immigrants consume less because the study includes SS/Medicare and their younger on average and/or not immediately available for those programs. The study also didn’t measure other social costs, chiefly education. The state of Indiana spends around 10,000 a year on each child for example.In the US, immigrants consume less social welfare per capita than native born. Often, much less:
I agree and they should be from Northern Europe like it was before the immigration act of 1965. F LBJ.You just said immigration. I think we should have a lot of immigration.... But it should be done a much more deliberate and intentional manner. Not the free for all we have now.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at?You just said immigration.
We most likely disagree on the amounts.I think we should have a lot of immigration....
I agree, but don’t see how that would ever be accomplished. You would have to purposely target higher educated people, which wouldn’t fly in today’s political environment.But it should be done a much more deliberate and intentional manner. Not the free for all we have now.
I appreciate the link and was curious how they came up with their claims. Immigrants consume less because the study includes SS/Medicare and their younger on average and/or not immediately available for those programs. The study also didn’t measure other social costs, chiefly education. The state of Indiana spends around 10,000 a year on each child for example.
I agree and they should be from Northern Europe like it was before the immigration act of 1965. F LBJ.
Well, we are experiencing the results of his "great society" legislation.At least someone said the quiet part out loud.
I just share Teddy Roosevelt's idea on immigration.At least someone said the quiet part out loud.
As Uncle Milton (who was generally a vocal advocate of immigration) pointed out, the question of how beneficial immigration is to a society needs to be examined through a lens of their productivity balanced against their consumption of social welfare benefits.In the US, immigrants consume less social welfare per capita than native born. Often, much less:
There is nothing that prevents us from changing our safety net laws to block immigrants from full access for 5 years (or any other number) to eliminate that concern. We could require 5 years of work before becoming a citizen.
I do not know when your family arrived but there is a damn good chance people did not want them here. Since its founding, this country has had a real love/hate relationship with immigrants.
As Uncle Milton (who was generally a vocal advocate of immigration) pointed out, the question of how beneficial immigration is to a society needs to be examined through a lens of their productivity balanced against their consumption of social welfare benefits.
There is a lot of data on this question and, to my reading of it, it’s a mixed bag and not nearly as clear cut as it was in the late 19th and early 20th centuries…when our welfare state wasn’t anywhere near the size it is now.
In the below video, he says that illegal immigration is better than legal immigration, because they don’t qualify for most public benefits.
I would say, anecdotally, that my observed experience is that these folks tend to have pretty robust work ethics.
I worked in a microbiology lab for the 2nd largest egg producer in the country.As Uncle Milton (who was generally a vocal advocate of immigration) pointed out, the question of how beneficial immigration is to a society needs to be examined through a lens of their productivity balanced against their consumption of social welfare benefits.
There is a lot of data on this question and, to my reading of it, it’s a mixed bag and not nearly as clear cut as it was in the late 19th and early 20th centuries…when our welfare state wasn’t anywhere near the size it is now.
In the below video, he says that illegal immigration is better than legal immigration, because they don’t qualify for most public benefits.
I would say, anecdotally, that my observed experience is that these folks tend to have pretty robust work ethics.
We know that plants raided in 2019 never checked the I-9 information:I worked in a microbiology lab for the 2nd largest egg producer in the country.
Almost all production people were Hispanics. Guess what, they had identification and social security numbers. How else do you fill out an I-9 form. That would allow them access to benefits too.
How did they get them? They buy their identification from identity theives
It’s pretty remarkable how much immigration politics have shifted in the past several years.
There are still plenty of illegal immigrants that have the information they need to gain access to benefits.We know that plants raided in 2019 never checked the I-9 information:
A PH Food employee, acting as a confidential informant, told Homeland Security investigators that the vast majority of the 240 employees at PH's plant in Morton and the 80 employees at A&B's plant in Pelahatchie didn't have proper work documents, including many Guatemalans.The informant said employees used their real names and made-up Social Security numbers to apply for jobs at PH and A&B. "The payroll companies, as well as PH Food Inc. and A&B Inc. do not verify the authenticity of their documents," the informant told investigators. Mississippi state law requires employers to check documents using E-Verify, an otherwise voluntary online federal system.
Chicken Processing Plant Owners 'Willfully' Used Illegal Workers
Investigators behind the biggest immigration raid in a decade relied on informants inside the plants and data from electronic monitoring bracelets.www.foodmanufacturing.com
Hopefully not. Canada needs saved from the scourge of leftismCanada's political pendulum swings a cycle behind ours. Harper was their GWB, Trudeau is their Obama. There's a Trumpy type leading the Conservatives, and Trudeau is trying to head him off at the pass. May or may not work.
Yeah, I'm under no illusions about any of that.I worked in a microbiology lab for the 2nd largest egg producer in the country.
Almost all production people were Hispanics. Guess what, they had identification and social security numbers. How else do you fill out an I-9 form. That would allow them access to benefits too.
How did they get them? They buy their identification from identity theives
We don't know how many plenty is. And there are also "plenty" who pay taxes though they will never be eligible for Social Security. It is believed most people who file using a taxpayer ID number instead of Social Security are illegally in the country. The belief is that if they have a work history and pay taxes it will help them if the opportunity to become citizen every arises.There are still plenty of illegal immigrants that have the information they need to gain access to benefits.
The ones that have been here working. Above or under the table. Decade plus. No criminal history. I’d like to see amnestyWe don't know how many plenty is. And there are also "plenty" who pay taxes though they will never be eligible for Social Security. It is believed most people who file using a taxpayer ID number instead of Social Security are illegally in the country. The belief is that if they have a work history and pay taxes it will help them if the opportunity to become citizen every arises.
Undocumented immigrants quietly pay billions into Social Security and receive no benefits - Marketplace
How much? About $13 billion in 2016.www.marketplace.org
Correct, but there are extra costs most times with immigrants, because they’re ML students. Also, a larger percentage of society is having their child’s education subsidized than SNAP.We will pay $10,000 per child for native. We need children, they drive the economy more than anything. They provide future workforce.
Correct, but there are extra costs most times with immigrants, because they’re ML students. Also, a larger percentage of society is having their child’s education subsidized than SNAP.
Crazed alluded to a better way to measure it. My personal preference would be setting the benchmark of how much someone needs to make in income to be a net gain for society. The cynic in me says they don’t because most immigrants fall below. I assume you have to be in the top third or so because a majority of taxes are paid by the top 10% of society.
Love that ELP number.Societal benefits are FAR FAR more than taxes paid. There was a time in the US we celebrated the "common man". It sees a lot of us only want to celebrate the rich and powerful, all the while complaining about the elite.
We need migrant farm labor. We need custodians. We need unskilled workers.
Unskilled Labor Shortage in the US and Immigrant Workforce
Learn more about the unskilled labor shortage in the U.S and discover how immigrants help bridge the gap and contribute to the labor market's vitality.www.nexaworkforce.com
This started before COVID
The US is experiencing a widespread worker shortage. Here’s why.
Retail and restaurant workers are more in demand than tech workers.www.vox.com
Here is a story on how low-skilled immigrant labor more than pays for itself:
No, Low-Skilled Immigrants Don’t Cost Taxpayers Money
According to new research, even less skilled migrants to the US have a net fiscal benefit of about $750 each.www.bloomberg.com
From that, one way lower-skilled labor can make native Americans wealthier:
These new measures do not deny the standard assessments of the potential fiscal costs of immigrants. Rather, they consider an additional positive factor: namely, that low-skilled immigrants enable native workers to move into higher-wage jobs, and in some cases to work more hours. That may occur through a number of channels, some of them highly complex and hard to measure, but most simply recall Adam Smith’s maxim that the division of labor is limited by the extent of the market.To view this more concretely, consider working parents who would choose more demanding and higher-paying jobs if cheaper and more convenient child care, which typically requires only a high school diploma, were available. If a new immigrant provided that care, those parents would be able to earn more money — and would pay more taxes.
If you have kids, you know how expensive childcare is.
We know that immigrants work migrant labor cheaper than native. Do you want to pay more for food?
I miss the days when we celebrated the common man (or woman) in America and not the 1%.
I can't access the article, but the numbers don't add up. I call bullshit. Also, I'd gladly trade higher food prices for lower healthcare, education, and housing prices.Societal benefits are FAR FAR more than taxes paid. There was a time in the US we celebrated the "common man". It sees a lot of us only want to celebrate the rich and powerful, all the while complaining about the elite.
We need migrant farm labor. We need custodians. We need unskilled workers.
Unskilled Labor Shortage in the US and Immigrant Workforce
Learn more about the unskilled labor shortage in the U.S and discover how immigrants help bridge the gap and contribute to the labor market's vitality.www.nexaworkforce.com
This started before COVID
The US is experiencing a widespread worker shortage. Here’s why.
Retail and restaurant workers are more in demand than tech workers.www.vox.com
Here is a story on how low-skilled immigrant labor more than pays for itself:
No, Low-Skilled Immigrants Don’t Cost Taxpayers Money
According to new research, even less skilled migrants to the US have a net fiscal benefit of about $750 each.www.bloomberg.com
From that, one way lower-skilled labor can make native Americans wealthier:
These new measures do not deny the standard assessments of the potential fiscal costs of immigrants. Rather, they consider an additional positive factor: namely, that low-skilled immigrants enable native workers to move into higher-wage jobs, and in some cases to work more hours. That may occur through a number of channels, some of them highly complex and hard to measure, but most simply recall Adam Smith’s maxim that the division of labor is limited by the extent of the market.To view this more concretely, consider working parents who would choose more demanding and higher-paying jobs if cheaper and more convenient child care, which typically requires only a high school diploma, were available. If a new immigrant provided that care, those parents would be able to earn more money — and would pay more taxes.
If you have kids, you know how expensive childcare is.
We know that immigrants work migrant labor cheaper than native. Do you want to pay more for food?
I miss the days when we celebrated the common man (or woman) in America and not the 1%.
I can't access the article, but the numbers don't add up. I call bullshit. Also, I'd gladly trade higher food prices for lower healthcare, education, and housing prices.
As for the common man, embracing immigration (at large scale with our government size), social programs, and larger governments doesn't benefit the common man. It eventually eliminates the common man and middle class. By the way, the reason I'm a Bitcoin is because the entire point of it is to benefit the middle class and common man.
many probably don't want him here right nowIn the US, immigrants consume less social welfare per capita than native born. Often, much less:
There is nothing that prevents us from changing our safety net laws to block immigrants from full access for 5 years (or any other number) to eliminate that concern. We could require 5 years of work before becoming a citizen.
I do not know when your family arrived but there is a damn good chance people did not want them here. Since its founding, this country has had a real love/hate relationship with immigrants.
I miss the days when we celebrated the common man (or woman) in America and not the 1%.
Why do I care if other people are making more money than myself? Bitcoin isn't a zero sum game. The only thing that is important is if goods and services are getting cheaper in Bitcoin, which they are. Bitcoin, unlike the current debt base system, allows more of the productivity gains to flow back to all of us. The natural the state of the free market is deflationary, Bitcoin is showing that. Eventually, the median house will cost 1/10th of Bitcoin (which is what the common man cares about) as long as we continue to be more productive.That's good. I'll guarantee you big players are making far more on bitcoin than you ever will. Look at the huge owners in Bitcoin:
U.S. Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage
The national debt has increased under most U.S. presidents. Here is how much each president's time in office added to the U.S. debt by percentage and dollar amounts.www.investopedia.com
The creator has 968,000 bitcoins. That is what, about 1/20th the total supply of bitcoins? 1.86% of addresses own 90% of bitcoin:
U.S. Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage
The national debt has increased under most U.S. presidents. Here is how much each president's time in office added to the U.S. debt by percentage and dollar amounts.www.investopedia.com
It is hard to take financial control from the elites when the vast majority is owned by, you guessed it, the elites.
Oh, bitcoin mining is very energy intensive, raising everyone's cost for energy and causing problems:
Texas paid Bitcoin company $175k an hour to stop using energy during winter blackout
Computers at the Bitcoin mine were using enough electricty to power 6,500 homeswww.the-independent.com
Also:
Between bitcoin and AI, we are heading for a grid collapse. It isn't just power (as some are sure to attack Biden somewhere), it is transmission.
If you were selling this on TV you would have to add "past results do not indicate future gains".Why do I care if other people are making more money than myself? Bitcoin isn't a zero sum game. The only thing that is important is if goods and services are getting cheaper in Bitcoin, which they are. Bitcoin, unlike the current debt base system, allows more of the productivity gains to flow back to all of us. The natural the state of the free market is deflationary, Bitcoin is showing that. Eventually, the median house will cost 1/10th of Bitcoin (which is what the common man cares about) as long as we continue to be more productive.