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Yeah, I'm under no illusions about any of that.

Formally, illegal immigrants don't qualify for many benefits (especially federal benefits). Realistically, I'm sure there are lots of them who get them. That's no different than any other public assistance programs -- be it SNAP, TANF, SS/Medicare, Medicaid, or PPP....there is almost certainly a significant level of fraud. How much is anybody's guess.
Anecdotally, I've never met an illegal with fake docs that could get them access to benefits. They want to find someone to hire them off the books and then stay under the radar.
 
If you were selling this on TV you would have to add "past results do not indicate future gains".
lol…I’m not selling anything. I’m either right or wrong and the market will decide.
I was just pointing out one of my main reasons for being a Bitcoiner is because it benefits the common man.
 
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lol…I’m not selling anything. I’m either right or wrong and the market will decide.
I was just pointing out one of my main reasons for being a Bitcoiner is because it benefits the common man.

Why is it valuable? Think of it this way, NVidia makes chips desperately needed by computer firms. For the foreseeable future we can rely that NVidia is going to make money. They will pass this back as dividends even if the stock never rises another penny.

Bitcoin isn't real, you can't touch it, smell it, eat it, see it. It produces nothing of value. It uses a hell of a lot of energy. It is valuable ONLY because people think it is valuable. That doesn't seem nearly as trustworthy as computer chips. Sure, someone may come along and make a new type of chip rendering NVidia obsolete. On the other hand 1) it could be them and 2) they might be able to jump into the game and still make great profits.

Bitcoin is the functional equivalent of investing in baseball cards, except at least you can see and touch those (though don't touch them, it ruins the value).
 
Why is it valuable? Think of it this way, NVidia makes chips desperately needed by computer firms. For the foreseeable future we can rely that NVidia is going to make money. They will pass this back as dividends even if the stock never rises another penny.

Bitcoin isn't real, you can't touch it, smell it, eat it, see it. It produces nothing of value. It uses a hell of a lot of energy. It is valuable ONLY because people think it is valuable. That doesn't seem nearly as trustworthy as computer chips. Sure, someone may come along and make a new type of chip rendering NVidia obsolete. On the other hand 1) it could be them and 2) they might be able to jump into the game and still make great profits.

Bitcoin is the functional equivalent of investing in baseball cards, except at least you can see and touch those (though don't touch them, it ruins the value).
Bitcoin is a massive wealth transfer scheme that ultimately transfers wealth from the people who get left holding all the Bitcoin to the people smart enough to get out before it crashes.
 
Why is it valuable? Think of it this way, NVidia makes chips desperately needed by computer firms. For the foreseeable future we can rely that NVidia is going to make money. They will pass this back as dividends even if the stock never rises another penny.

Bitcoin isn't real, you can't touch it, smell it, eat it, see it. It produces nothing of value. It uses a hell of a lot of energy. It is valuable ONLY because people think it is valuable. That doesn't seem nearly as trustworthy as computer chips. Sure, someone may come along and make a new type of chip rendering NVidia obsolete. On the other hand 1) it could be them and 2) they might be able to jump into the game and still make great profits.

Bitcoin is the functional equivalent of investing in baseball cards, except at least you can see and touch those (though don't touch them, it ruins the value).
Bitcoin is valuable. It's a scare digital asset that you can hold to protect yourself from currency debasement, which protects you against governments stealing the most important thing you have, time. You can use it a medium of exchange. You can hold it outside of traditional financial markets and take it anywhere in the world. And you can send digital energy, to anyone in the world, at anytime you like and have it settle in a few minutes. Bitcoin isn't baseball cards. It's the greatest form of money ever invented. It has lot of value.
 
Bitcoin is valuable. It's a scare digital asset that you can hold to protect yourself from currency debasement, which protects you against governments stealing the most important thing you have, time. You can use it a medium of exchange. You can hold it outside of traditional financial markets and take it anywhere in the world. And you can send digital energy, to anyone in the world, at anytime you like and have it settle in a few minutes. Bitcoin isn't baseball cards. It's the greatest form of money ever invented. It has lot of value.

That sounds like the 10,000 gold commercials that used to flood late-night radio.
 
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Bitcoin is a massive wealth transfer scheme that ultimately transfers wealth from the people who get left holding all the Bitcoin to the people smart enough to get out before it crashes.
People aren't getting out of Bitcoin to get back into a fiat system when the global debt to GDP is 330%. When debt levels are high people want protection and hedges against it. It's why Gold, Silver, and Bitcoin have performed so well this year.
 
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Warren Buffet: ' Bitcoin is rat poison squared...I wouldn't give you .25 cents for all of it'....
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People aren't getting out of Bitcoin to get back into a fiat system when the global debt to GDP is 330%. When debt levels are high people want protection and hedges against it. It's why Gold, Silver, and Bitcoin have performed so well this year.
You realize the vast majority of Americans have never used the term "fiat system".
 
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Bitcoin is a massive wealth transfer scheme that ultimately transfers wealth from the people who get left holding all the Bitcoin to the people smart enough to get out before it crashes.
Easy, Snarl. Don’t take the bait.

In his desperation, Goat is trying to goad you into a heated response so he can ban another Dream Teamer.

Don’t fall for it!!!
 
Societal benefits are FAR FAR more than taxes paid. There was a time in the US we celebrated the "common man". It sees a lot of us only want to celebrate the rich and powerful, all the while complaining about the elite.

We need migrant farm labor. We need custodians. We need unskilled workers.


This started before COVID


Here is a story on how low-skilled immigrant labor more than pays for itself:


From that, one way lower-skilled labor can make native Americans wealthier:


These new measures do not deny the standard assessments of the potential fiscal costs of immigrants. Rather, they consider an additional positive factor: namely, that low-skilled immigrants enable native workers to move into higher-wage jobs, and in some cases to work more hours. That may occur through a number of channels, some of them highly complex and hard to measure, but most simply recall Adam Smith’s maxim that the division of labor is limited by the extent of the market.​
To view this more concretely, consider working parents who would choose more demanding and higher-paying jobs if cheaper and more convenient child care, which typically requires only a high school diploma, were available. If a new immigrant provided that care, those parents would be able to earn more money — and would pay more taxes.​

If you have kids, you know how expensive childcare is.

We know that immigrants work migrant labor cheaper than native. Do you want to pay more for food?

I miss the days when we celebrated the common man (or woman) in America and not the 1%.

Would a decrease in migrant labor create shortages or price increases?

I’m skeptical that is true?
 
Would a decrease in migrant labor create shortages or price increases?

I’m skeptical that is true?
We saw economic problems when Alabama cracked down years ago



There is little evidence Americans want these jobs, and not at the wages given. If no one works them, what happens? If they have to pay triple, what happens?

By the way, Alabama is now all in on guest worker visas because they have experienced migrant shortages impacting farms. I think it shows the problem.


And it isn't just farming directly, anyone wonder why all those poultry processing plants were raided circa 2020?
 
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We saw economic problems when Alabama cracked down years ago



There is little evidence Americans want these jobs, and not at the wages given. If no one works them, what happens? If they have to pay triple, what happens?

By the way, Alabama is now all in on guest worker visas because they have experienced migrant shortages impacting farms. I think it shows the problem.


And it isn't just farming directly, anyone wonder why all those poultry processing plants were raided circa 2020?
Are migrants consumers?
 
If migrants are consumers and the amount of work available is not fixed (it changes)….then I don’t see where the decrease in migrant labor would create shortages and price increases.

The amount of farm produce that we dump is this country is astronomical and unknown to most.
 
If migrants are consumers and the amount of work available is not fixed (it changes)….then I don’t see where the decrease in migrant labor would create shortages and price increases.

The amount of farm produce that we dump is this country is astronomical and unknown to most.

I don't get the consumer aspect, if they were in their home country they would still be consumers. People eat all over the world, and the US exports food.
 
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