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Make Canada Great Again

It’s pretty remarkable how much immigration politics have shifted in the past several years.
Yes and no. The narrative always was its good for countries economies. However, that is a bullshit. Almost all immigration is a net negative for developed nations, with large safety nets. And it’s especially bad for the working class people living in the country.
 
Yes and no. The narrative always was its good for countries economies. However, that is a bullshit. Almost all immigration is a net negative for developed nations, with large safety nets. And it’s especially bad for the working class people living in the country.

A country either has immigration or emigration. Which one you think is worse?
 
You just said immigration. I think we should have a lot of immigration.... But it should be done a much more deliberate and intentional manner. Not the free for all we have now.
Not that the past is predictive of the future in all cases, but our most productive citizens are probably descended from people who came over in a free for all. I only say that to suggest that when it comes to the value of a particular immigrant, we have to consider future generations, as well.
 
Not that the past is predictive of the future in all cases, but our most productive citizens are probably descended from people who came over in a free for all. I only say that to suggest that when it comes to the value of a particular immigrant, we have to consider future generations, as well.

Sure. My great grandfather came over in a mass migration. Through Ellis Island.
 
Yes and no. The narrative always was its good for countries economies. However, that is a bullshit. Almost all immigration is a net negative for developed nations, with large safety nets. And it’s especially bad for the working class people living in the country.

In the US, immigrants consume less social welfare per capita than native born. Often, much less:


There is nothing that prevents us from changing our safety net laws to block immigrants from full access for 5 years (or any other number) to eliminate that concern. We could require 5 years of work before becoming a citizen.

I do not know when your family arrived but there is a damn good chance people did not want them here. Since its founding, this country has had a real love/hate relationship with immigrants.
 
In the US, immigrants consume less social welfare per capita than native born. Often, much less:

I appreciate the link and was curious how they came up with their claims. Immigrants consume less because the study includes SS/Medicare and their younger on average and/or not immediately available for those programs. The study also didn’t measure other social costs, chiefly education. The state of Indiana spends around 10,000 a year on each child for example.
 
You just said immigration. I think we should have a lot of immigration.... But it should be done a much more deliberate and intentional manner. Not the free for all we have now.
I agree and they should be from Northern Europe like it was before the immigration act of 1965. F LBJ.
 
You just said immigration.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at?
I think we should have a lot of immigration....
We most likely disagree on the amounts.
But it should be done a much more deliberate and intentional manner. Not the free for all we have now.
I agree, but don’t see how that would ever be accomplished. You would have to purposely target higher educated people, which wouldn’t fly in today’s political environment.
 
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