I’d be very surprised if either Green or Rob (usually together) is not in the game 90+% of the time. Green or Al can play the point for the 5 minutes or so a half that Rob isn’t in the game, barring foul trouble or injuries. There’s still nobody on the team who can feed the post better than Green. Franklin would have to be a really advanced freshman point to get anywhere near 10-15 minutes a game against quality competition. Not saying it’s impossible, but it’s unlikely. It’s easy to underestimate the leap from high school to college for any player, especially one not at the elite level.
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Green feeds the post, but sometimes he telegraphs his passes or tries to force feed. If the defense is reacting then this is a risky pass and one that in the Archie era should be avoided. That is part of the poor decision making that Green has showed for 3 years and never grew out of. Al at PG if Rob is out of the game, Franklin if he is ready to play PG for only a few minutes while Rob rests.
That might be true but it doesn’t tell the whole story. He got more minutes early in the season against inferior comp. When the injuries piled up Arch in the B1G season he was forced to play him when obviously he was not ready. Not on knock on the player. He needs to time to develop.
He actually got more minutes earlier in the season because Green was hurt and missed 4 out of the first 6 games. I wasn't trying to paint anything other than saying he averaged 10mpg.
DeVonte improved his court vision quite a bit last season. I expect that will continue next season.
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I did watch Anderson play some point forward in HS and he was very effective at setting up his teammates to score. Anderson in HS actually had good vision and court awareness and made good decisions with the ball in his hands. I think on the defensive end is where the weakness lies for Anderson to guard quicker players at either guard position or on the wing. Footwork and improving his defensive positioning and first step quickness will get Anderson more PT. Last season Anderson was a liability on defense, and Smith was a liability on offense. Both players need to improve if either hope to have more PT with a full healthy roster and new players.
Go away, troll. Leave the board to those of us who understand and appreciate IU basketball.
I don't expect Hunter to play 25+ mpg. My guess is he will be limited in what they allow him to do in practice early and playing time will be watched closely. If his condition is one of the ailments mentioned in the past, a rigorous practice schedule and heavy minutes could trigger another setback.
Can Franklin pass Anderson? Anderson didn't impress me at all. His defense was awful and he bit on every shot fake. He wasn't an active rebounder and did not take the ball to the basket. He has a lot to change.
Franklin is new and carries hopeful expectations. I am not going to forecast more than a limited role until I see him on the court. I thought Anderson was going to contribute last year. Hunter is in a similar situation to the freshmen. The difference is that he won a gold shirt in practice early last year and was reported to be checking Romeo on D. Positive signs but no guarantee he will perform in a college game.
I am also guarding against expecting too much from Thompson. I liked what I saw when he finally played. How much of his offensive performance was hurt by not practicing and playing together with the rotation players? How much improved will he be when he has a normal camp and chemistry with the team on the court?
Thompson has shown a little
Fwiw, there's a current thread on the HSN general basketball forum....some of the posters appear to have some knowledge of the situation....and all are saying that Hunter is on schedule with no issues yet........
I'd probably take Anderson as a shooter based only on HS reputation (he shot 23% from 3 and had a PER of 1.2....which is awful and needs to improve 10 fold just to be considered a stiff and still get ripped on Twitter. Smith was 12.3 last year. 17 his freshman year and I guarantee you had more impressive high school performances as he was the higher regarded recruit).
Also I not so sure that we won't see Smith at the three even with his perimeter shooting.
Arizona (who we very obviously match up in scheme after watching games, which makes sense that it's his brother) had the #3 team in the country in 2015. Was the #7 offense and #3 defense.
Their starting lineup was...
Tarczewski at center
Brandon Ashley at PF
Stanley Johnson (6'7" power player) at the 3.
Gabe York (small shooting guard)
TJ McConnell (small point guard).
They had 6'7" Rondae Hollis Jefferson come off the bench for Johnson at the three or Ashley at the 4. He shot 20% from 3 btw.
Basically it was a seven foot center, a 6'9" quick power forward and one of two 6'7" powerful rim runners at the three....then a 6'3" combo guard and a 6'1" point guard.
That team got up to #1 in the country.
My guess is we might see three power players who don't shoot three's some this year..maybe a lot like that Arizona team.
That is positive news and they seem to be managing his recovery well. I wouldn't expect they have added much to what he was already doing this far out from the season.
The staff knows what his issue was and are watching him closely to do everything to prevent it from happening again.
I just can't fathom Smith starting unless IU goes small. I understand the Arizona comparison but all those guys were top 50 recruits and/or playing in the NBA right now. A lineup of Smith, TJD, and then Brunk/Davis just isn't conducive to quality basketball. There's no floor spacing, only 1 legitimate threat to spread the floor in Green, and you only have 2 ballhandlers. That's a very underwhelming lineup.
In terms of looking for potential starters, most coaches will play whom they have already played before. In that regard, Smith will be in that mix.
On the other hand, another rule is that 5-star guys are almost unanimously starters on most college teams, and although TJD just missed the cut, he is likely to be a starter.
On the other hand, another rule is that 5-star guys are almost unanimously starters on most college teams, and although TJD just missed the cut, he is likely to be a starter.
As was Smith.
Both have to improve to play with a full roster and more a available options.
TJD is ranked the exact same as Deron Davis was. Solid players but far from instant impact 5 star freshmen.
Smith is the only clear starter between himself, TJD, Davis, and Brunk. The other 3 are fighting for the other starting position.
Rob, Green, and Al will all start. Book that now.
I get that...and the individual talent was obviously better, but they ran and scored a lot in transition off their defense.
By the end of the year per Wikipedia they went even bigger and went Tarczewski, Ashley, Jefferson, Johnson and McConnell.
Ashley took less than one three a game. Johnson shot over 30% from three which is a surprise to me because he's known for getting to the rim and Jefferson shot 20% both years from three (and in the 60's on free throws). Jefferson was a bull, like Johnson, going to the rim which is something Smith has only shown in transition. Even when teams laid off Jefferson, he took it to them with violence. Similar to the 6'7ish Brendan Dawson from MSU who couldn't throw it into the ocean but played a power three (with Draymond and Nix).
Now with the line moved back to the international distance there should hopefully be more room in the paint.
Just saying it's not completely insane to play three non three point shooters. Sean Miller certainly did with great success.
Anyway, my pure guess on rotations would be something like this.
Post...Davis, Brunk, TJD (word is Brunk is bringing a ton of energy and TOS is saying he's ahead of Davis but Davis was so good passing out of the post and has the experience. If he's healthy I think he's the main post).
PF- TJD, Race, Smith (probably Smith over Race but I love Race as a PF goon).
SF- Smith, Hunter, Anderson (if Hunter is healthy and the real deal Holyfield, he obviously jumps Smith but that means that Smith plays more at the 4. Smith is playing, book it. He would have transferred if he was going to the bench).
SG - Green, Al, Franklin
PG - Rob, Green, Al, Franklin
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Not insane no, but I would feel more comfortable with Smith starting if our back court was as good as McConnell and York and Davis o Brunk was as good as Tarczewski. They simply aren't.
Who else is going play? And why are we in major trouble? You've said that about 5 or 6 players "if so and so plays X amount of minutes next year we're in major trouble". You don't know jack shit about Franklin or his game just like you don't know jack shit about anything else.
TJD was ranked 11 spots higher. Davis virtually missed all of the summer his incoming freshman year due to an academic issue he needed to clear up in his home state and came in with a knee injury so he was well behind the learning curve. TJD is exponentially more athletic than Davis and is already practicing with the team. Please attempt to make it sound like you actually no what you're talking about first.
Rob, Green, and Al will all play 30 mpg. They have to. Anderson will be next at the guard position. Franklin and Blackmon will be 3-5 mpg guys.
This roster is a disaster for IU’s standards. Similar to what you’d typically see at Northwestern or Rutgers, not IU.
I’ll wait on your apology. It really gets old educating you on basics every single day.
I'm looking at 247 composite that averages ALL the rankings that lists TJD at 29 and Davis at 40. I think that's more accurate. And just because two guys are ranked the same or similar 4 years apart doesn't mean they will perform the exact same, way to completely ignore the rest of my comment. TJD is coming in on-time and healthy.
TJD was ranked higher than DeRon on most scouting services, and TJD was a McD AA which proves he was more highly regarded nationally, DeRon was not.
When is the last time Rutgers or Northwestern had 8 4* recruits on their roster? This would be the best roster in Northwestern or Rutgers history.
So you decided to cherry pick some BS ranking from another site? Shocker. We’re on Rivals...use Rivals. It’s very, very basic.
Are you going to admit you were wrong and apologize?
Cherry pick? Rivals is 1 site. 247 composite averages the rankings from several recruiting sites (including rivals). I'll use the whatever the hell I want and TJD was a consensual, higher touted prospect.
Hey look, I can do that you too. I was right, you were wrong, there's no grey area here.
https://247sports.com/Player/Trayce-Jackson-Davis-46041487/
https://247sports.com/player/deron-davis-22583/
Don't bother talking about rankings with fpeaugh. There was a thread a few months back that he was saying someone (Brunk maybe?) wasn't a 4*. He was shown the Rivals' ranking that clearly shows he was a 4*. At this point fpeaugh magically said that even though the ranking service of his choice showed the player as a 4*, he actually wasn't because fpeaugh said so. He didn't argue in good faith and he loves to cherry pick himself.
Tjd is a stud. He will be at Indiana more than one yr and is a huge foundation to build on. I’m not sure why you’re comparing to players in the past, but this is a good class. Unfortunately, it takes time but the pieces this yr and next will go a long way in building Indiana back to prominence
Archie is recruiting a strong foundation for the long term, not instant gratification followed by down years like Crean. As a 2019 Indiana Mr. Basketball and McD AA, TJD is a stud and will be one of the pillars to build around for the next few years. And TJD is healthy and will play this season without nagging and lingering injuries.
I think TJD will be a 10 and 6 guy this year and may be able to score a bit more if a mid-range game develops. Runs the floor well and can score around the basket.
Biggest difference between Davis and TJD is that Davis came in late and out of shape and partially injured on top of being stuck behind Thomas Bryant. There's immediate minutes for TJD next year without anyone really challenging him for playing time other than Smith.
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