Layout our future backcourt for me

[minneman]

With only 5 scholarship guards and Anderson being a huge question mark, where do you think those minutes go? IU had 4 guards play 25 mpg last year and Anderson played almost 10. No Romeo this year and if Anderson was able to average nearly 10 a game last year I would be shocked if Franklin doesn't at minimum average 10. Unless Hunter is 100% healthy and able to log 25+ minutes and/or Anderson has a massive breakout season, Franklin is going to be playing a lot more than you think.

Anderson didn't average almost 10 mpg. He averaged almost 10 mpg for the 20 games he in which he played. For the rest of the games he saw 0 minutes and brings his average down under 6 mpg. He had most of those minutes early in the season and had only 5 games with double digit minutes after November.

Going by that, Franklin might get the chance to earn consistent minutes early in the season. If he doesn't produce, he'll get very little PT.

 

[PranksterMary]

"We", as in Pranky/Ordfan...and you?

GIF in honor of your sockpuppet status.

Bulk is still desperately seeking validation. Pick another sport and another school. You’ll have a much better chance of mattering.

 

[ufo33]

Like Green And Durham? Franklin would be the 4th choice.

Green should not be a PG this season with better options on the roster.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Bulk is still desperately seeking validation. Pick another sport and another school. You’ll have a much better chance of mattering.

About time for you to pick another name, Ordfan.

 

[IndyResident16]

Anderson didn't average almost 10 mpg. He averaged almost 10 mpg for the 20 games he in which he played. For the rest of the games he saw 0 minutes and brings his average down under 6 mpg. He had most of those minutes early in the season and had only 5 games with double digit minutes after November.

Going by that, Franklin might get the chance to earn consistent minutes early in the season. If he doesn't produce, he'll get very little PT.

Anderson averaged 9.6 mpg last year, that’s stone cold fact.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/damezi-anderson-1.html

IU loses a 34 mpg player in Romeo? That has to be made up somewhere? Green, Phinisee, Durham aren’t going to average 40 mpg.

 

[IndyResident16]

I think Smith is a huge question mark as now the word is out in the coaching ranks that he can not shoot, so teams are universally not guarding Smith on the perimeter. IU's offense in the 1/2 court could stall with Smith on the court.

There won’t (or shouldn’t at least) ever be a time where Smith, TJD, and Brunk/Davis are on the court together. That leaves at best IU with only 2 guys who can handle the ball and 2 guys who can shoot past 10 feet. The only way Smith starts is if IU once again goes small and Smith and TJD are starting in the front court and both Brunk and Davis are coming off the bench which doesn’t make a lot of sense considering they’re our most experienced and efficient scorers. You’ll see heavy doses of a 3 guard lineup and Franklin will get minutes while those guys rest.

 

[minneman]

Anderson averaged 9.6 mpg last year, that’s stone cold fact.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/damezi-anderson-1.html

IU loses a 34 mpg player in Romeo? That has to be made up somewhere? Green, Phinisee, Durham aren’t going to average 40 mpg.

For the games he played, as I stated. IU played 35 games last season. That drops his average for all games under 6 mpg, that's a stone cold fact.

 

[speroni]

Anderson averaged 9.6 mpg last year, that’s stone cold fact.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/damezi-anderson-1.html

IU loses a 34 mpg player in Romeo? That has to be made up somewhere? Green, Phinisee, Durham aren’t going to average 40 mpg.

You know, both you AND Minneman can be correct depending on how you look at the stats. But Minneman's point stands on it's own merit. He didn't average 10mpg across the season - only in the 21 games he played. IU played 35 games last year. He wasn't used at all in 14 games.

 

[IndyResident16]

For the games he played, as I stated. IU played 35 games last season. That drops his average for all games under 6 mpg, that's a stone cold fact.

I don’t think you understand how averages work.

 

[IndyResident16]

You know, both you AND Minneman can be correct depending on how you look at the stats. But Minneman's point stands on it's own merit. He didn't average 10mpg across the season - only in the 21 games he played. IU played 35 games last year. He wasn't used at all in 14 games.

He said Anderson didn’t average 10 mpg. MPG is the number of minutes/number of games played.

 

[minneman]

I don’t think you understand how averages work.

I do, but I also understand how they can be misleading if used incorrectly. Looking at the average minutes played per game he was available is a more accurate number. He was available for all 35 games yet Miller chose to not play him. It's not as though he couldn't play due to injury because then I wouldn't be arguing this.

But, hey, if you want to make him sound more productive than he actually was, knock yourself out.

 

[speroni]

He said Anderson didn’t average 10 mpg. MPG is the number of minutes/number of games played.

While you are correct, that stat only helps your point if you choose to ignore that he was a DNP in 14 games. When you look at all the minutes available in the season, the amount of minutes per game is quite different.

It's easy to use a statistic to your advantage... but that doesn't always tell the entire story.

 

[Squonk too]

I do, but I also understand how they can be misleading if used incorrectly. Looking at the average minutes played per game he was available is a more accurate number. He was available for all 35 games yet Miller chose to not play him. It's not as though he couldn't play due to injury because then I wouldn't be arguing this.

But, hey, if you want to make him sound more productive than he actually was, knock yourself out.

And it would be elucidating if someone listed the games Anderson played, because it sounds like the coach did not trust his participation in conference.

 

[PranksterMary]

About time for you to pick another name, Ordfan.

If you only knew how silly this post makes you look. Of course, every post makes you look silly, so this is likely a very difficult question for someone like you.

 

[minneman]

And it would be elucidating if someone listed the games Anderson played, because it sounds like the coach did not trust his participation in conference.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/148448/gamelog

I was looking at this earlier. For the first 5 games he averaged almost 20 mpg. For the remaining games his average for games played takes a nose dive to under 6.5 mpg and under 3.5 if the DNPCD games are counted (which they should be).

I wouldn't be surprised if we see lots of minutes for Franklin early in the season, similar to Anderson last season. Unless Miller has no faith in him from the start, I think he'll be given the opportunity to produce early on. If he doesn't, he'll see his minutes drop drastically similar to Anderson.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

If you only knew how silly this post makes you look. Of course, every post makes you look silly, so this is likely a very difficult question for someone like you.

Another zinger from Ordfan.

 

[PranksterMary]

Another zinger from Ordfan.

What, no moronic GIF? Another silly post from Bulk. He admitted he couldn’t talk hoops, so he’s only here to troll. And he still doesn’t know what the New Fieldhouse is.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

What, no moronic GIF? Another silly post from Bulk. He admitted he couldn’t talk hoops, so he’s only here to troll. And he still doesn’t know what the New Fieldhouse is.

We've already established that's where your mom's "massage parlor" was located. Of course, the last time I brought it up, you had the post deleted, like the poor little snowflake you are.

 

[PranksterMary]

We've already established that's where your mom's "massage parlor" was located. Of course, the last time I brought it up, you had the post deleted, like the poor little snowflake you are.

Still can’t talk hoops, can you? You can insult and post GIFs, but absolutely no basketball. And now you’re doing it from multiple handles. So fantastic. I guess that’s what your demand for mediocrity produces.

 

[fpeaugh]

No you don’t remember that. Or if you do remember that it was all in your head. I was never on the Crean bandwagon. I was willing to let him prove he could be the guy and he never did. What I said during his tenure was that he was an underachiever - that includes the Sweet 16 year.

No you didn’t say that until after about year 7.

 

[Brockway]

No you were most certainly part of the Crean cult for years. We remember.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Still can’t talk hoops, can you? You can insult and post GIFs, but absolutely no basketball. And now you’re doing it from multiple handles. So fantastic. I guess that’s what your demand for mediocrity produces.

You really are a special little snowflake.

 

[PranksterMary]

You really are a special little snowflake.

Still no hoops. Shocker. You’re the Maven of Mediocrity! Congrats!

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

No you didn’t say that until after about year 7.

You either have an honesty deficit or your memory is slipping badly. There is no chance you ever heard I was all in on Crean because I never was and never said it. However, unlike the Negative Nancy Whine and Troll Club, I didn’t whine, moan and badmouth IU on this forum 24/7/365 because of it. You guys are an embarrassment to yourselves and this forum.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

You either have an honesty deficit or your memory is slipping badly. There is no chance you ever heard I was all in on Crean because I never was and never said it. However, unlike the Negative Nancy Whine and Troll Club, I didn’t whine, moan and badmouth IU on this forum 24/7/365 because of it. You guys are an embarrassment to yourselves and this forum.

Feepaw is having a senior moment. He's saying the same exact thing about another poster in another thread.

He needs to go put on his night time Depends and fall asleep watching Matlock.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Still no hoops. Shocker. You’re the Maven of Mediocrity! Congrats!

Well, you are an exceptional troll, so I guess you've got that going for you.

 

[iubud]

With only 5 scholarship guards and Anderson being a huge question mark, where do you think those minutes go? IU had 4 guards play 25 mpg last year and Anderson played almost 10. No Romeo this year and if Anderson was able to average nearly 10 a game last year I would be shocked if Franklin doesn't at minimum average 10. Unless Hunter is 100% healthy and able to log 25+ minutes and/or Anderson has a massive breakout season, Franklin is going to be playing a lot more than you think.

I hope Franklin is good enough that he can play 15 minutes or more. He might have to some nights. Phinisee will be around 30. Green will also unless he screws up. Durham will be around 25 backing up the 2 guards and playing a little as a 3rd guard. Hunter, Smith, Anderson, and Franklin will compete for around 35 - 40 minutes . Whoever starts from that group will get around 20 minutes. If Hunter is healthy, Franklin and Anderson will be at 5 - 10 minutes subbing in to the 1, 2, and 3.

Its all a guess. Green, Phinisee, and Durham are going to have off nights and give someone a chance to prove themselves. Franklin playing 15 minutes would likely mean someone is hurt or under-performing.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Well, you are an exceptional troll, so I guess you've got that going for you.

Put him on ignore like everyone else.

 

[Tru2Irish]

I like what I've heard on both Franklin and Galloway, as I love tenacious, smart hard-nosed players. But, it does seem like we're starting to duplicate talents between those two and possibly adding Leal. From what I know, none are true PGs, although it seems Franklin might be the closest to a combo out of the 3. But, it seems with Green leaving after this year, we should be thinking about a PG in this class, and if we've got 4 spots, can we afford both Galloway, Leal and a PG? Do you think CAM is looking at one more as a PG, and who, or do you expect we'll still add a PG in this class?

I think Cross,Loveday,Galloway and Leal or Love are the four ships they use.

 

[PranksterMary]

Put him on ignore like everyone else.

Only wish you would put me on ignore.

 

[Cutter1973]

If you only knew how silly this post makes you look. Of course, every post makes you look silly, so this is likely a very difficult question for someone like you.

Could you please come up with something original? So tired of reading your regurgitated BS from a previous thread. It makes you look like an unimaginative, boring, twit.

 

[PranksterMary]

Could you please come up with something original? So tired of reading your regurgitated BS from a previous thread. It makes you look like an unimaginative, boring, twit.

If you weren’t so singularly focused on stalking me, you could just put me on ignore. Since that’s not within your capability, however, I’ll keep pointing out that you’re a fraud (while politely asking you to leave so those of us who are IU fans can talk basketball).

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Anderson averaged 9.6 mpg last year, that’s stone cold fact.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/damezi-anderson-1.html

IU loses a 34 mpg player in Romeo? That has to be made up somewhere? Green, Phinisee, Durham aren’t going to average 40 mpg.

In other words, you looked at the stats, saw Anderson at "9.6", stupidly repeated that without realizing that it was only for games played, and are now trying to cover up by making the "stats" argument.

That's the only possible explanation. No one could be anal enough to talk about playing time for part-time players in that way If you asked Anderson how much playing time he got last year, would he answer "9.6 minutes per game"?

So...just to clarify....when you predict Franklin will play 13-15 per game this year, are you saying he will average 13-15 minutes per game for the games in which he plays? Or per each game on the schedule?

 

[IndyResident16]

In other words, you looked at the stats, saw Anderson at "9.6", stupidly repeated that without realizing that it was only for games played, and are now trying to cover up by making the "stats" argument.

That's the only possible explanation. No one could be anal enough to talk about playing time for part-time players in that way If you asked Anderson how much playing time he got last year, would he answer "9.6 minutes per game"?

So...just to clarify....when you predict Franklin will play 13-15 per game this year, are you saying he will average 13-15 minutes per game for the games in which he plays? Or per each game on the schedule?

There's one way to configure mpg and that is simply taking the number of minutes played/the number of games played. All I said was that Anderson averaged 9.6 mpg. If you're asking me how many minutes I think Franklin plays a game, that number will be 13-15.

IU has 5 scholarship guards and all 3 are likely to start. A healthy Hunter that's able to log 25+ mpg takes some of the burden off of Phin, Green, and Durham, but if he isn't able to go; one of, if not both Anderson and Franklin are going to get a lot of PT. I think Franklin is able to absorb more playing time for the reason I stated yesterday;

a) he's more athletic
b) he's a better two way player
c) he's a much more competent ball-handler

Does everything have to turn into a pissing match with you? When someone says, "Anderson didn't average 10mpg" I'm going to say something. Averages on calculated on total # of team games, they're computed on # of games in which the individual played. Steph Curry missed 13 games due to injury this year, he doesn't get zero's across the board for the games he didn't play.

 

[minneman]

There's one way to configure mpg and that is simply taking the number of minutes played/the number of games played. All I said was that Anderson averaged 9.6 mpg. If you're asking me how many minutes I think Franklin plays a game, that number will be 13-15.

IU has 5 scholarship guards and all 3 are likely to start. A healthy Hunter that's able to log 25+ mpg takes some of the burden off of Phin, Green, and Durham, but if he isn't able to go; one of, if not both Anderson and Franklin are going to get a lot of PT. I think Franklin is able to absorb more playing time for the reason I stated yesterday;

a) he's more athletic
b) he's a better two way player
c) he's a much more competent ball-handler

Does everything have to turn into a pissing match with you? When someone says, "Anderson didn't average 10mpg" I'm going to say something. Averages on calculated on total # of team games, they're computed on # of games in which the individual played. Steph Curry missed 13 games due to injury this year, he doesn't get zero's across the board for the games he didn't play.

I already addressed the difference between injuries and DNPCD. Since you you want to be pedantic then 9.6 mpg is not 10 mpg.

How about we phrase this a different way? Anderson played 201 minutes last season. Do you think Franklin will play around 300 minutes this season or closer to 500 minutes?

Yet another way would be to say that Anderson played 14.3% of the minutes he was available for. For reference, a player that saw PT every game and averaged 9.6 would have played 24%. What percentage of minutes will Franklin play?

It's pretty funny you're complaining about another poster always getting into pissing matches. Pot meet kettle. It's basically all you do.

 

[IndyResident16]

I already addressed the difference between injuries and DNPCD. Since you you want to be pedantic then 9.6 mpg is not 10 mpg.

How about we phrase this a different way? Anderson played 201 minutes last season. Do you think Franklin will play around 300 minutes this season or closer to 500 minutes?

It's pretty funny you complaining about another poster always getting into pissing matches. Pot meet kettle. It's basically all you do.

My guess is he'll play ~450 minutes. If Anderson comes on strong and he's really hitting his shots and proves to be competent on the defensive end, then that number dips. If Hunter can play 25+ mpg AND Anderson comes on strong as I mentioned above he'll be closer to 300.

 

[TommyCracker]

There's one way to configure mpg and that is simply taking the number of minutes played/the number of games played. All I said was that Anderson averaged 9.6 mpg. If you're asking me how many minutes I think Franklin plays a game, that number will be 13-15.

IU has 5 scholarship guards and all 3 are likely to start. A healthy Hunter that's able to log 25+ mpg takes some of the burden off of Phin, Green, and Durham, but if he isn't able to go; one of, if not both Anderson and Franklin are going to get a lot of PT. I think Franklin is able to absorb more playing time for the reason I stated yesterday;

a) he's more athletic
b) he's a better two way player
c) he's a much more competent ball-handler

Does everything have to turn into a pissing match with you? When someone says, "Anderson didn't average 10mpg" I'm going to say something. Averages on calculated on total # of team games, they're computed on # of games in which the individual played. Steph Curry missed 13 games due to injury this year, he doesn't get zero's across the board for the games he didn't play.

Not quite sure where you guys are getting that Anderson is a guard, he's not. He's more a 4 than a 2 and he's definitely no where near a 1.

He's not really athletic, he has an awful handle, poor vision, etc.

He's supposed to be a scorer and have a dog mentality on defense to make up for his lack of lateral quickness and quickness overall. He's better served to get big and and physical than sleek.

Remember he's listed at 6'7 and around 220.

No way is he anywhere close to being some kind of point so you guys need to take him out of this presumed pg rotation.

 

[IndyResident16]

Not quite sure where you guys are getting that Anderson is a guard, he's not. He's more a 4 than a 2 and he's definitely no where near a 1.

He's not really athletic, he has an awful handle, poor vision, etc.

He's supposed to be a scorer and have a dog mentality on defense to make up for his lack of lateral quickness and quickness overall. He's better served to get big and and physical than sleek.

Remember he's listed at 6'7 and around 220.

No way is he anywhere close to being some kind of point so you guys need to take him out of this presumed pg rotation.

Anderson has never been mentioned as a potential PG (at least not by me), only Franklin. Anderson is closer to 6'5 than he is 6'7. He's a shooting guard/wing who struggled to find his shot last year but he's most definitely considered a guard.

 

[TommyCracker]

Anderson has never been mentioned as a potential PG, only Franklin. Anderson is closer to 6'5 than he is 6'7. He's a shooting guard/wing who struggled to find his shot last year but he's most definitely considered a guard.

I've seen him mentioned on a back up pg line, which is a horrible take, I think by UFO.

B Snow has this argument all the time and insists he's more a 4 than a 2. Actually gets pretty tilted about it. Says there is no way in hell Anderson can guard a 2 (and will struggle guarding 3's) and has the handle of a power forward.

After watching Anderson last year I agree with him. I can't see him guarding quicker players on the perimeter and his handle makes Justin Smith's look like an NBA all star's.

Doesn't mean he can't improve...he actually has to, a ton.

 

[IndyResident16]

I've seen him mentioned on a back up pg line, which is a horrible take, I think by UFO.

B Snow has this argument all the time and insists he's more a 4 than a 2. Actually gets pretty tilted about it. Says there is no way in hell Anderson can guard a 2 (and will struggle guarding 3's) and has the handle of a power forward.

After watching Anderson last year I agree with him. I can't see him guarding quicker players on the perimeter and his handle makes Justin Smith's look like an NBA all star's.

Doesn't mean he can't improve...he actually has to, a ton.

I feel the sentiments about him improving although I just feel he would be overwhelmed guarding 6'9 athletic wings. But that even furthers my point that Franklin is going to be playing a lot more than people think. If Anderson isn't ready or they're trying to play him as a forward that means there's only 4 scholarship guards on the roster. Franklin will play this year and a lot more than people want to think.