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It isn't in schools

Here's an example of alleged "grooming"
A woman is teaching elementary school and one of the kids remarks that her necklace is pretty. She responds "Thanks, it was a surprise gift from my girlfriend"

Here's a related example that isn't judged to be grooming.
A woman is teaching elementary school and one of the kids remarks that her necklace is pretty. She responds "Thanks, it was a surprise gift from my boyfriend"
Prove it. Cite me a case. In fact, cite me a couple thousand cases before anything you just said can be accepted as reality. Got any government linked studies to prove your point? Nevermind, even that wouldn't be enough.

Edit to add: You have always been really heavy on the "well actually the experts say..." so I am holding you to that standard. Your made up scenario you pulled out of your ass isn't going to cut it when there is actual hard evidence up to and including government backed reports being submitted as support for my position.
 
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I have 4 school age children, 1 with special needs. I lived in this area before children (and paid taxes for the schools) and will probably continue to live in this area after they graduate (and pay taxes for these schools). In my time living here, believing that good schools are good for the public at large and selfishly, property values in an area, I have voted on numerous occasions to RAISE my taxes specifically for school related issues. So I guess for one, I am invested in the schools. For two, I make pretty good money, but private schooling would be cost prohibitive. Finally, we looked at homeschooling and other options and a special needs student makes that really tough...and my spouse or I would most likely need to quit our job.

So, our school system is funded to the tune of about $13k/student a year. Let me have that $13k per child and spend it to educate them and I will take that and run. That is not going to happen. Additionally at a certain point I believe you have to put a foot down and agitate for what you think is right. For my school district, there is a group of agitators that will be running in November to flip the board.

All that being said, we have had positive experiences in our school system. It is a system that I see moving towards some of this stuff but it isn't a total loss. My 4th grader (special needs) "graduated" elementary as part of a ceremony this week. My wife was crying because of the relationships we have built with the staff and the fact that they won't be part of his next journey. I have had 4 boys go through that elementary school. They know us by name. Why would I walk away from something that we as a family have put that much time, resources, and emotional capital into without attempting to fix the few things we think need adjusted?
Totally awesome answer. I was in no way meaning to project a, "Hey, if you don't like it, why don't you leave" mindset. Your willingness to stick it out while trying to be that change agent is commendable, mainly because I don't think you would insist on 100% compliance with your beliefs from 100% of the district. Absolutely continue to make your voice heard. I hope you are one of the agitators who are running for the board.
 
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Totally awesome answer. I was in no way meaning to project a, "Hey, if you don't like it, why don't you leave" mindset. Your willingness to stick it out while trying to be that change agent is commendable, mainly because I don't think you would insist on 100% compliance with your beliefs from 100% of the district. Absolutely continue to make your voice heard. I hope you are one of the agitators who are running for the board.
No, not running. But thank you.
 
So here is my issue with you guys. Who qualifies as an "expert" on all of this? Those statistics are from the U.S. Department of Education. Click the link in the quote and it will pull up a nice pdf document for you. I would suggest, as I have throughout these school conversations, that everyone has a viewpoint of what is really going on based on what they see anecdotally around them. Got a spouse or relative or friend who is in schools and they tell you it is a-okay...well good enough for me. Nevermind that their experience is pretty limited to where they teach and who they teach with. We provide videos showing you that these conversations are occurring. Videos that say these topics are being covered. "Enh...that is an outlier, not happening most places. Show me this is widespread." Ok, pull a report prepared for the US Dept of Education. "No way that is accurate, if they are counting stuff that would qualify as sexual harassment in a workplace, that isn't really sexual misconduct..."

I would assert that you are being "invincibly ignorant" as a former poster here used to say. There is no amount of data that anyone could show you that would change your mind. There is no expert, no document, no government agency, no NGO, no reporter, no tapes confession that will override the couple of teachers you know personally.

I found this article from 2020.


Look, I'm not disputing that it doesn't happen. Even one child is to much, but 1 on 10 is just way out there. According to the article i sited, there were 50.9 million kids in school, so that would mean 5.9 million kids. That number doesn't seem real to me.

I called a lady ma'am the other day and she got offended. I know it's apples and oranges, but how do we know someone's intent on your example for instance.

And not everything is a you guys verse us topic, especially sexual assault. I just don't think the 1-10 number is correct is all.
 
And again, to clarify, I don't think that 1 in 10 number necessarily equates to molestation but it would include inappropriate conversations or innuendo in front of students. Otherwise I agree with Tanger that the figure is too high. Additionally, I would guess that the majority of those interactions would be classified as heterosexual in nature.

The issue as I see it is the lack of transparency. That leads to a trust deficit between parents and teachers. I, as a parent, cannot have the school hiding stuff from me. Even in cases of abuse, the authorities should be involved (and subsequently the parents are informed when the cops show up).

When you are having teaching seminars that say, "some parents may disagree with this so let's keep it on the DL", I believe that is enough of a breach of trust that you should be fired. Straight, gay, or otherwise.
If only all Dems spoke like Marv….
 
maybe he "groomed" someone
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I found this article from 2020.


Look, I'm not disputing that it doesn't happen. Even one child is to much, but 1 on 10 is just way out there. According to the article i sited, there were 50.9 million kids in school, so that would mean 5.9 million kids. That number doesn't seem real to me.

I called a lady ma'am the other day and she got offended. I know it's apples and oranges, but how do we know someone's intent on your example for instance.

And not everything is a you guys verse us topic, especially sexual assault. I just don't think the 1-10 number is correct is all.
I don't think the 1 in 10 figure for sexual assault would be correct either. It was for sexual misconduct which to me, would encompass a broader range of behavior that could make the statistic easier to swallow.

The article you posted is specifically talking assaults which I think would lead to a lower figure.

Edit to add: from the report...

"The behaviors included in the review are physical, verbal, or visual. Examples include touching breasts or genitals of students; oral, anal, and vaginal penetration; showing students pictures of a sexual nature [I assume this would be in a context outside of an educational reason]; and sexually related conversations, jokes, or questions directed at students."
 
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Here's an example of alleged "grooming"
A woman is teaching elementary school and one of the kids remarks that her necklace is pretty. She responds "Thanks, it was a surprise gift from my girlfriend"

Here's a related example that isn't judged to be grooming.
A woman is teaching elementary school and one of the kids remarks that her necklace is pretty. She responds "Thanks, it was a surprise gift from my boyfriend"
link?
 
A related and non-hypothetical example.

A public Elementary School in Arlington Texas held a "Get to Know Your Teacher Day" where students were encouraged to learn about their teachers, ask about how and why they got into teaching, and in general to "humanize" their teachers.

Many chose to share family information, and Stacy Bailey, who was an art teacher twice recognized as the district's teacher of the year, was no exception. She showed students a photo of herself and her then-fiancée, Julie Vazquez, dressed as characters from the popular movie “Finding Nemo.” She provided no sex ed instruction and advanced no agenda. In the spirit of the event, she shared normal aspects her life. Other teachers discussed their spouses, kids, favorite vacations, hobbies, favorite movies, other life experiences. But a woman showing a picture, with a girlfriend... Oh the horrors!

A parent learned of this and complained that Bailey was promoting the “homosexual agenda”.

The School District suspended her for eight months. She was asked to resign but refused. After the suspension she was reassigned to a high school.

She sued and the District settled, giving her $100,000 in damages.

 
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I have 4 school age children, 1 with special needs. I lived in this area before children (and paid taxes for the schools) and will probably continue to live in this area after they graduate (and pay taxes for these schools). In my time living here, believing that good schools are good for the public at large and selfishly, property values in an area, I have voted on numerous occasions to RAISE my taxes specifically for school related issues. So I guess for one, I am invested in the schools. For two, I make pretty good money, but private schooling would be cost prohibitive. Finally, we looked at homeschooling and other options and a special needs student makes that really tough...and my spouse or I would most likely need to quit our job.

So, our school system is funded to the tune of about $13k/student a year. Let me have that $13k per child and spend it to educate them and I will take that and run. That is not going to happen. Additionally at a certain point I believe you have to put a foot down and agitate for what you think is right. For my school district, there is a group of agitators that will be running in November to flip the board.

All that being said, we have had positive experiences in our school system. It is a system that I see moving towards some of this stuff but it isn't a total loss. My 4th grader (special needs) "graduated" elementary as part of a ceremony this week. My wife was crying because of the relationships we have built with the staff and the fact that they won't be part of his next journey. I have had 4 boys go through that elementary school. They know us by name. Why would I walk away from something that we as a family have put that much time, resources, and emotional capital into without attempting to fix the few things we think need adjusted?


Can't you qualify for the Choice Scholarship program? With 6 people in your household, you'd need to make in excess of well into the $200ks to not qualify. Pays 90% of private school tuition.
 


Can we call this one a groomer? (Note the hair again, lol...)
Yes. And it’s always the hair.

This weekend my wife and I grabbed brunch to see a blue hair with her very young daughter dressed in boys clothing. I wouldn’t have thought anything of it (because who cares what clothes a 3 year old wears) were it not for the mom’s blue hair.
 
Yes. And it’s always the hair.

This weekend my wife and I grabbed brunch to see a blue hair with her very young daughter dressed in boys clothing. I wouldn’t have thought anything of it (because who cares what clothes a 3 year old wears) were it not for the mom’s blue hair.
I know it's not your intent, but my sister (46) spent most of her childhood outdoors in boys clothing if we're counting boys clothing as shorts and a t-shirt.

Don't worry she's produced 5 kids.....naturally.
 
I know it's not your intent, but my sister (46) spent most of her childhood outdoors in boys clothing if we're counting boys clothing as shorts and a t-shirt.

Don't worry she's produced 5 kids.....naturally.
I think he was more going for the joke about the hair.
 
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I know it's not your intent, but my sister (46) spent most of her childhood outdoors in boys clothing if we're counting boys clothing as shorts and a t-shirt.

Don't worry she's produced 5 kids.....naturally.
Exactly. Today your mom would make Tik toks of her and brag how she has a trans son.
 
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Nothing to see here. Move along:


The school held a presentation called “Anti-Racism Fight Club” for students in pre-kindergarten through third grade. Those students were provided with a booklet titled Anti-Racism Fight Club Fistbook for Kids that contains many concerning generalizations and attributes skin color to behavior and beliefs. For example, the booklet claims that “white privilege” exists virtually everywhere, “white” people benefit “in almost every instance,” and “white” people “walk around with an invisible force field” and “hold all of the power in America.” The booklet also teaches that “being color blind is a bad idea” and that it is racist to avoid talking about race. Additionally, it asks children to identify which of their family members are racist and to develop a strategy “for dealing with them.”
 
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Oh c‘mon, this stuff only exists on the fringe.🙁
Well, a DC elementary school is the fringe. This is all preaching to the choir stuff and only serves to radicalize people. It is bad. Too many primary-aged school administrations are intellectually and critically unable to handle this subject.
 
Here's a new newsletter penned by parents in Evanston, Illinois, one of the most liberal cities in the Midwest. No doubt many of these parents are further left than 99% of WC participants. In other words, the Democratic conspiracy theory that Fox News and the RNC are just making this stuff up just doesn't hold up to scrutiny:


A summary:

Fighting & Chaos at Haven Middle School Sparks Protest Movement After a surge of fighting led to a lockdown and sent two Haven staffers to the emergency room, parents and teachers demand increased safety measures.

D65 Teachers Describe “Toxic Climate” Long before the recent turbulence at Haven, D65’s Union president raised concerns about a “toxic climate” that was ignoring teacher concerns, driving away staff, and harming student performance.

D65 Test Scores Show Steep Declines As math and reading scores fall, D65 lowers expectations for Black and Latinx students. School leaders pull back on pledge to ensure every Evanston public school graduate is a proficient reader.

Families are Leaving D65 for Private Schools A troubling trend that started during the pandemic is continuing, according to enrollment data.

ETHS SAT Scores Have Fallen Sharply The racial achievement gap is narrowing, but not in the desired way. ETHS students show far sharper declines in “college readiness” than a peer school, Oak Park-River Forest High School.
 
Here's a new newsletter penned by parents in Evanston, Illinois, one of the most liberal cities in the Midwest. No doubt many of these parents are further left than 99% of WC participants. In other words, the Democratic conspiracy theory that Fox News and the RNC are just making this stuff up just doesn't hold up to scrutiny:


A summary:

Fighting & Chaos at Haven Middle School Sparks Protest Movement After a surge of fighting led to a lockdown and sent two Haven staffers to the emergency room, parents and teachers demand increased safety measures.

D65 Teachers Describe “Toxic Climate” Long before the recent turbulence at Haven, D65’s Union president raised concerns about a “toxic climate” that was ignoring teacher concerns, driving away staff, and harming student performance.

D65 Test Scores Show Steep Declines As math and reading scores fall, D65 lowers expectations for Black and Latinx students. School leaders pull back on pledge to ensure every Evanston public school graduate is a proficient reader.

Families are Leaving D65 for Private Schools A troubling trend that started during the pandemic is continuing, according to enrollment data.

ETHS SAT Scores Have Fallen Sharply The racial achievement gap is narrowing, but not in the desired way. ETHS students show far sharper declines in “college readiness” than a peer school, Oak Park-River Forest High School.
All I want to know is how is this school in Evanston, IL (Chicago) really on Green Bay Road?
 
All I want to know is how is this school in Evanston, IL (Chicago) really on Green Bay Road?
It's a main thoroughfare in Evanston and runs up through the northern suburbs. They get to walk all over Green Bay every day, what's wrong with that?
 
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The red flag in most of these school v parent examples and news stories is how one side wants transparency and the other wants to exclude anyone else from being involved.

When school districts insist parents have no say in what children are taught, it's wrong. When teachers tell children they don't have to involve their parents or to hide something from their parents, that's wrong in every situation. Historically, groups that avoid transparency are rarely doing something good. It's usually evil. Just as groups who wear hoods or cover their faces to "protest" are seldom doing anything good. It's usually evil.

How many stories have we seen in the news where a teacher does something inappropriate and sometimes illegal with a student and the school leadership comes out and says they were not aware and it won't happen again. Until it happens again. They may fire that one teacher, if the union allows it, but nothing really changes. In some cases they just move the teacher or let them resign to avoid a firing being on their record. I'd rather see the teacher and school leadership fired. That's when you will see real change. As the leader you are supposed to know. That's your job. You set the culture that allows what can only be called indoctrination and grooming to occur.
 
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