It isn't in schools

[larsIU]

To add to that, I also think that for well off liberals in particular, there is a healthy distaste to tell people, "You know, your shitty decisions are probably at the very least somewhat a factor of why you are where you are." I would bet if you checked those decently well off and racially mixed residents that you would find some pretty clear patterns that aren't popular to tell people.

I agree. However, it is much easier (and fulfilling, at least personally) to say that to an adult than to their children. And therein lies the rub.

The cycle of bad decisions starts with the parents but the kids are the ones harmed the most. I think we should focus on programs which show how bad decision making, whether it be financially, emotionally, drugs, promiscuity, etc. can lead to bad outcomes as an adult. But then people would bitch about that too. The schools are always at the crux of this b/c we can't trust all parents to raise their kids well. So, what do we do? Let them learn nothing and be forced to end up like their parents?

How do we have a community based approach for kids outside of schools? Don't say church, that ain't gonna happen.

 

[T.M.P.]

Who needs AP classes when you can learn how gay sex gets people off and where to buy sex toys?

Do you really believe the kids can't and haven't found all that by themselves on a place called the internet? Many kids watch internet porn before they become teens. IIRC the average is 11/12 years old. Amazon sells sex toys, and so does Walmart. There are memes all over the damn place about anal and dildos that are not blocked by age restrictions. Gaming platforms are filled with kids talking about far far far worse ...

You may have blocked access, which they can easily get through, but not every parent has ... and their friends love sharing that kind of stuff.

Y'all are clueless on this matter, it's almost if you have no clue what your kids are doing. Maybe try parenting instead. That starts with communication and brutal honesty.

But then again, some of you are convinced kids dressed in furry outfits shit in school-supplied litter boxes... to those posters I would recommend drool bibs and safety helmets while posting. Slobber has to be hell on a keyboard or phone..

 

[IUCrazy2]

Do you really believe the kids can't and haven't found all that by themselves on a place called the internet? Many kids watch internet porn before they become teens. IIRC the average is 11/12 years old. Amazon sells sex toys, and so does Walmart. There are memes all over the damn place about anal and dildos that are not blocked by age restrictions. Gaming platforms are filled with kids talking about far far far worse ...

You may have blocked access, which they can easily get through, but not every parent has ... and their friends love sharing that kind of stuff.

Y'all are clueless on this matter, it's almost if you have no clue what your kids are doing. Maybe try parenting instead. That starts with communication and brutal honesty.

But then again, some of you are convinced kids dressed in furry outfits shit in school-supplied litter boxes... to those posters I would recommend drool bibs and safety helmets while posting. Slobber has to be hell on a keyboard or phone..

There are drugs out in the world too. Perhaps we should teach them where to get their hands on them and shoot up in school as well.

I think it is cute that so many of you think that posts like this are dropping some hidden knowledge that the vast majority of parents aren't keenly aware of. No shit, there is stuff on the internet, that doesn't mean it has a place in ****ing school.

 

[BradStevens]

You can draw a direct line from the CRT/anti-racism infection of Schools of Education to this. Idealogically driven "reformers" in education are pushing something untested and harmful to the very students they want to help, while pushing moderate suburban voters into the hands of Republicans:

[The California Mathematics Framework] explicitly promoted the San Francisco Unified School District’s policy of banishing Algebra I from middle school—a policy grounded in the belief that teaching the subject only in high school would give all students the same opportunities for future success. The document also made a broad presumption that tweaking the content and timing of the math curriculum, rather than more effective teaching of the existing one, was the best way to fix achievement gaps among demographic groups.

California’s Math Misadventure Is About to Go National

The fight over math in the Golden State’s public schools is likely to spread across the country.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[mattndallas]

Y'all are clueless on this matter, it's almost if you have no clue what your kids are doing. Maybe try parenting instead. That starts with communication and brutal honesty.

But then again, some of you are convinced kids dressed in furry outfits shit in school-supplied litter boxes... to those posters I would recommend drool bibs and safety helmets while posting. Slobber has to be hell on a keyboard or phone..

There were "furries" at my daughter's elementary. Sure it continues on at the local public Jr High (obviously doesn't fly at St Chucks). They didn't have litter boxes. First time I'd ever heard of it. Cracked us both up when she was telling me about their "pack", and the "alpha" growling at kids when they came near the tree they congregated at at recess. Harmless pussies that she/we just laugh at. They're irrelevant.

As far as communication and brutal honesty towards kids in Bloomington...

 

[Cortez88]

You can draw a direct line from the CRT/anti-racism infection of Schools of Education to this. Idealogically driven "reformers" in education are pushing something untested and harmful to the very students they want to help, while pushing moderate suburban voters into the hands of Republicans:

[The California Mathematics Framework] explicitly promoted the San Francisco Unified School District’s policy of banishing Algebra I from middle school—a policy grounded in the belief that teaching the subject only in high school would give all students the same opportunities for future success. The document also made a broad presumption that tweaking the content and timing of the math curriculum, rather than more effective teaching of the existing one, was the best way to fix achievement gaps among demographic groups.

California’s Math Misadventure Is About to Go National

The fight over math in the Golden State’s public schools is likely to spread across the country.

www.theatlantic.com

So prevent achievement by one group to be “equal” to another group. When you say it aloud it sounds so stupid. Are these people true believers or are they arsonists?

 

[IUCrazy2]

So prevent achievement by one group to be “equal” to another group. When you say it aloud it sounds so stupid. Are these people true believers or are they arsonists?

Yes

 

[larsIU]

So prevent achievement by one group to be “equal” to another group. When you say it aloud it sounds so stupid. Are these people true believers or are they arsonists?

The road to hell and all that. But good intentions should extend only to reach of parental and student accountability. On a side note I was glad the parents of the school shooter up in Michigan are going to have charges stand against them and be put on trial. It’s gotta start somewhere.

I think more parents should be held accountable for their minor children’s destructive and damaging behavior. Criminally. Not just civilly. If that’s how we move the accountability/responsibility needle then so be it.

 

[mattndallas]

On a side note I was glad the parents of the school shooter up in Michigan are going to have charges stand against them and be put on trial. It’s gotta start somewhere.

I think more parents should be held accountable for their minor children’s destructive and damaging behavior. Criminally. Not just civilly. If that’s how we move the accountability/responsibility needle then so be it.

That's bold, but I'm with ya.

You'd be labelled a racist for suggesting this as a legislator, though.

 

[larsIU]

That's bold, but I'm with ya.

You'd be labelled a racist for suggesting this as a legislator, though.

The folks in MI are white. That label would get swatted based on the sheer number of meth head, oxy snorting hill folks getting arrested.

Will it disproportionally affect poor people? Yes. But so does crime.

 

[Bloom.]

That's bold, but I'm with ya.

You'd be labelled a racist for suggesting this as a legislator, though.

Depends on where the guns come from.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Equity Elementary Extended: The Growth and Effects of “Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion” Staff in Public Schools

Two years ago, the Heritage Foundation Backgrounder “Equity Elementary”

www.heritage.org

DEI is awesome for learning.

 

[UncleMark]

The folks in MI are white. That label would get swatted based on the sheer number of meth head, oxy snorting hill folks getting arrested.

Will it disproportionally affect poor people? Yes. But so does crime.

misdirection...

I still subscribe to what's left of the local dead tree newspaper. About the only thing left in the classifieds are the official government notices. The majority of those are court notices of hearings to remove parental rights from unfit parents, with most of the CHINS kids being very young -- less than two years old (and many infants) in most cases.

 

[larsIU]

misdirection...

I still subscribe to what's left of the local dead tree newspaper. About the only thing left in the classifieds are the official government notices. The majority of those are court notices of hearings to remove parental rights from unfit parents, with most of the CHINS kids being very young -- less than two years old (and many infants) in most cases.

I wonder, does it get harder to separate kids from parents once they ge toast being a toddler?

Kids really are pretty ****ing resilient.

 

[UncleMark]

I wonder, does it get harder to separate kids from parents once they get past being a toddler?

Kids really are pretty ****ing resilient.

I'm guessing most of the mothers are "known" to the system already. Many of the notices are directed at both them and "any unknown/alleged fathers." Terminating parental rights in those circumstances is going to be a simple exercise, I suspect. Once a kid has been in the home with his family for a few years, I'm sure it gets more complicated.

After I retired and was trying to decide what to do with myself I looked into volunteering for the local CASA program, but the time and scheduling commitment wouldn't have allowed for me to do much of anything else. They don't pay anything, either (obviously), and I was going to need to make a little money whatever I ended up doing. Maybe later, after McM cuts me my share of the Cooler's lottery winnings.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I'm guessing most of the mothers are "known" to the system already. Many of the notices are directed at both them and "any unknown/alleged fathers." Terminating parental rights in those circumstances is going to be a simple exercise, I suspect. Once a kid has been in the home with his family for a few years, I'm sure it gets more complicated.

After I retired and was trying to decide what to do with myself I looked into volunteering for the local CASA program, but the time and scheduling commitment wouldn't have allowed for me to do much of anything else. They don't pay anything, either (obviously), and I was going to need to make a little money whatever I ended up doing. Maybe later, after McM cuts me my share of the Cooler's lottery winnings.

Casa is absolutely brutal. You can get cases with heartrending stories.

 

[BradStevens]

Anecdotal update from a woke school system:

My son is in 8th grade. Unsolicited, he is now complaining about his social studies class, which is weird because he loves history. At his school, 7th grade social studies covers American history from native peoples up to the Civil War. 8th grade is the 2nd half of American history, from Reconstruction to the present day.

In 7th grade, his teacher spent two weeks on the Haitian Revolution, and one week on the American Revolution. Now in 8th grade, they are 2 months into the year, and they are still covering Reconstruction. When I asked how detailed they are getting, his response is "Dad, we just keep learning the same thing over and over again: racism this, racism that, racism is bad. I already knew that."

 

[Bowlmania]

Anecdotal update from a woke school system:

My son is in 8th grade. Unsolicited, he is now complaining about his social studies class, which is weird because he loves history. At his school, 7th grade social studies covers American history from native peoples up to the Civil War. 8th grade is the 2nd half of American history, from Reconstruction to the present day.

In 7th grade, his teacher spent two weeks on the Haitian Revolution, and one week on the American Revolution. Now in 8th grade, they are 2 months into the year, and they are still covering Reconstruction. When I asked how detailed they are getting, his response is "Dad, we just keep learning the same thing over and over again: racism this, racism that, racism is bad. I already knew that."

Request a meeting with his teacher. Review the curriculum. Make her/him explain and justify the emphasis and pace. How is everything going to be adequately covered if they're still, in late October, on Reconstruction.

 

[Bloom.]

Equity Elementary Extended: The Growth and Effects of “Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion” Staff in Public Schools

Two years ago, the Heritage Foundation Backgrounder “Equity Elementary”

www.heritage.org

DEI is awesome for learning.

Shocking. A religious political group needing public schools to fail, so they can siphon off kids for their charter schools, comes out with a report trying to portray public schools has not only failing, but trying to deceive parents.

And who conducted the study? Their own people.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Shocking. A religious political group needing public schools to fail, so they can siphon off kids for their charter schools, comes out with a report trying to portray public schools has not only failing, but trying to deceive parents.

And who conducted the study? Their own people.

You just can’t understand that charter schools and private religious schools are not the same thing, can you? Do you even understand what “charter” means?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Anecdotal update from a woke school system:

My son is in 8th grade. Unsolicited, he is now complaining about his social studies class, which is weird because he loves history. At his school, 7th grade social studies covers American history from native peoples up to the Civil War. 8th grade is the 2nd half of American history, from Reconstruction to the present day.

In 7th grade, his teacher spent two weeks on the Haitian Revolution, and one week on the American Revolution. Now in 8th grade, they are 2 months into the year, and they are still covering Reconstruction. When I asked how detailed they are getting, his response is "Dad, we just keep learning the same thing over and over again: racism this, racism that, racism is bad. I already knew that."

the woke left is very much in our faces with this crap. the downside to public schools. my kid's is obscenely woke. although i suspect the jewish left in our neighborhood will soon take down their blm signs. freedom from ferguson to the west bank lost its appeal.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

the woke left is very much in our faces with this crap. the downside to public schools. my kid's is obscenely woke. although i suspect the jewish left in our neighborhood will soon take down their blm signs. freedom from ferguson to the west bank lost its appeal

I wouldn't worry about your kids school.

Your son seems to have them already figured out.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I wouldn't worry about your kids school.

Your son seems to have them already figured out.

different schools. my son's school can teach every white on the planet is a racist pig and i'll have to just keep quiet. it's my daughter's school.

 

[Bowlmania]

different schools. my son's school can teach every white on the planet is a racist pig and i'll have to just keep quiet. it's my daughter's school.

Your son's two, right? I think Baller intended that comment for Brad.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Your son's two, right? I think Baller intended that comment for Brad.

no it was meant for me. my son, albeit 2 1/2, has made quite a reputation for himself. he's very well known at his school.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Your son's two, right? I think Baller intended that comment for Brad.

It was meant for Murt. His son is the CHILD amongst children. He's the head of a kid's fight club. He has no peers, as he is the alpha.

I've come to the conclusion that Murt is afraid to have sex again for fear that he might produce another, stronger son, that no mountain, no matter how tall or wide could ever house.

He's sacrificing for us all.

 

[Univee2]

It was meant for Murt. His son is the CHILD amongst children. He's the head of a kid's fight club. He has no peers, as he is the alpha.

I've come to the conclusion that Murt is afraid to have sex again for fear that he might produce another, stronger son, that no mountain, no matter how tall or wide could ever house.

He's sacrificing for us all.

Yep. That’s why he’s celibate now. The fog has cleared.

 

[Bloom.]

You just can’t understand that charter schools and private religious schools are not the same thing, can you? Do you even understand what “charter” means?

I absolutely do, and I deal with educators on an everyday basis.

The Heritage Foundation is in the business of charter schools. If you need help researching the link between the Heritage Foundation and Hillsdale College, let me know. Whether you want to admit it or not, it's a religious organization trying to use the charter system, at least in the Midwest, using the 1776 curriculum.

Charter schools in urban areas, where "school choice" legislation have ravaged public schools, have served a need. They've not all done well, but they have definitely filled voids.

At least here in Indiana, it seems, the movement is toward the suburbs, where the money is. To do that, they need families. Enter Moms for Liberty. They're here to tell you that your schools are failing, and they trying to indoctrinate your kids. They're trying to infiltrate school boards, first via protests then candidates, to enact changes. Instead it's mostly just chaos.

Moms For Liberty is being funded, primarily, by the Heritage Foundation.

Meanwhile, the same group is hosting charter school seminars in undisclosed locations. The only way to get the location is to get a ticket, and the day before they let you know where the seminar is. Fun cloak and dagger type stuff, with one problem. Since it's free, there is no barrier for entry other than registering.


If you want a breakdown of public, charter, private and parochial high schools in the state of Indiana, let me know. I can even tell you which dioceses the parochial schools are in.

Or you can stick to Colorado.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I absolutely do, and I deal with educators on an everyday basis.

The Heritage Foundation is in the business of charter schools. If you need help researching the link between the Heritage Foundation and Hillsdale College, let me know. Whether you want to admit it or not, it's a religious organization trying to use the charter system, at least in the Midwest, using the 1776 curriculum.

Charter schools in urban areas, where "school choice" legislation have ravaged public schools, have served a need. They've not all done well, but they have definitely filled voids.

At least here in Indiana, it seems, the movement is toward the suburbs, where the money is. To do that, they need families. Enter Moms for Liberty. They're here to tell you that your schools are failing, and they trying to indoctrinate your kids. They're trying to infiltrate school boards, first via protests then candidates, to enact changes. Instead it's mostly just chaos.

Moms For Liberty is being funded, primarily, by the Heritage Foundation.

Meanwhile, the same group is hosting charter school seminars in undisclosed locations. The only way to get the location is to get a ticket, and the day before they let you know where the seminar is. Fun cloak and dagger type stuff, with one problem. Since it's free, there is no barrier for entry other than registering.


If you want a breakdown of public, charter, private and parochial high schools in the state of Indiana, let me know. I can even tell you which dioceses the parochial schools are in.

Or you can stick to Colorado.

I’m on way to an out of town hockey tournament and can’t look it up. Since you are so knowledgeable, perhaps you can post the Indiana requirements for a charter being awarded.

 

[Bloom.]

I’m on way to an out of town hockey tournament and can’t look it up. Since you are so knowledgeable, perhaps you can post the Indiana requirements for a charter being awarded.

Charter School FAQs

www.in.gov

What do you want to know?

 

[Bloom.]

I’m on way to an out of town hockey tournament and can’t look it up. Since you are so knowledgeable, perhaps you can post the Indiana requirements for a charter being awarded.

What seemingly is evading you is there are religious entities heading into the charter school space. Now, maybe they have already done that in Colorado, but in Indiana this is new. The idea of using public money for religious schools is offensive to me because it takes directly from public schools.

Also, in Indiana, charter schools can "buy" unused school buildings for $1. That also is offensive to me, and I love that Carmel put a couple of offices and janitorial equipment in an old elementary to keep Hillsdale from getting it. I love that Hillsdale sued. I love that Hillsdale lost. They then tried the same thing in Pike Township. 0-2.

It's all part of a coordination between legislators and interest groups. Even if you want to get past the political side of it, despite being non-profit, there is money in charter schools, and there is a lot of money in the 'burbs.

I also don't believe in their white washed, 1776 curriculum. It's not only limiting in terms of scope, it's borderline restrictive, and it falls in line with the BS we're seeing from other groups in terms of 'offensive' books and content in general.


I have nothing against charter schools, in general, especially when they can fill a void, but they shouldn't be given a pass on how they operate or start. Hamilton County has a good charter school, Options. They don't need to scare parents into thinking their children are being "indoctrinated" to attract families.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

What seemingly is evading you is there are religious entities heading into the charter school space. Now, maybe they have already done that in Colorado, but in Indiana this is new. The idea of using public money for religious schools is offensive to me because it takes directly from public schools.

Also, in Indiana, charter schools can "buy" unused school buildings for $1. That also is offensive to me, and I love that Carmel put a couple of offices and janitorial equipment in an old elementary to keep Hillsdale from getting it. I love that Hillsdale sued. I love that Hillsdale lost. They then tried the same thing in Pike Township. 0-2.

It's all part of a coordination between legislators and interest groups. Even if you want to get past the political side of it, despite being non-profit, there is money in charter schools, and there is a lot of money in the 'burbs.

I also don't believe in their white washed, 1776 curriculum. It's not only limiting in terms of scope, it's borderline restrictive, and it falls in line with the BS we're seeing from other groups in terms of 'offensive' books and content in general.


I have nothing against charter schools, in general, especially when they can fill a void, but they shouldn't be given a pass on how they operate or start. Hamilton County has a good charter school, Options. They don't need to scare parents into thinking their children are being "indoctrinated" to attract families.

You should read the Indiana Charter school statutes. You have many misconceptions.

2022 Indiana Code :: Title 20. Education :: Article 24. Charter Schools

Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes

law.justia.com

 

[Bowlmania]

no it was meant for me. my son, albeit 2 1/2, has made quite a reputation for himself. he's very well known at his school.

@mcmurtry66 - Unsolicited advice here, but it's coming from a good place.

You're in your 50s with young kids including a two year-old son. You want to be around for his graduation from Kelley in 20 years, so you need to be laser-focused on your health. Here's the advice: 1) skip the lattes; 2) schedule a colonoscopy if you've never had one; 3) seriously consider a heart scan. It's an easy, 10-minute procedure, not at all like an MRI (I've had several MRIs following orthopedic injuries and I hate them every time). The heart scan is CT imaging that checks for coronary artery occlusion and yields a calcium score. It's not expensive but in any event is money well spent.

 

[mcmurtry66]

@mcmurtry66 - Unsolicited advice here, but it's coming from a good place.

You're in your 50s with young kids including a two year-old son. You want to be around for his graduation from Kelley in 20 years, so you need to be laser-focused on your health. Here's the advice: 1) skip the lattes; 2) schedule a colonoscopy if you've never had one; 3) seriously consider a heart scan. It's an easy, 10-minute procedure, not at all like an MRI (I've had several MRIs following orthopedic injuries and I hate them every time). The heart scan is CT imaging that checks for coronary artery occlusion and yields a calcium score. It's not expensive but in any event is money well spent.

Spot on. Sbx I can’t stop. It’s a 30 year morning routine. 2 and 3 I desperately need to do. Along with improving my diet. And cutting back alcohol. I drink a minimum of 1 or 2 drinks 4x a week. Only positives I’ve never smoked and I’m physically strong. Lift free weights play sports. But your 2 and 3 definitely. My family has a history of heart disease

 

[Bloom.]

You should read the Indiana Charter school statutes. You have many misconceptions.

2022 Indiana Code :: Title 20. Education :: Article 24. Charter Schools

Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes

law.justia.com

No, I don't. I'm well versed in it at the HS level. You just disagree and assume I don't know what I'm talking about.

Instead of sending me a link from an aggregate site, why don't you tell me what you think I have wrong? Keep in mind, I don't try and tell you about Colorado schools.

Meanwhile, search Hillsdale, Carmel, Pike and 'educate' me.

 

[BradStevens]

Spot on. Sbx I can’t stop. It’s a 30 year morning routine. 2 and 3 I desperately need to do. Along with improving my diet. And cutting back alcohol. I drink a minimum of 1 or 2 drinks 4x a week. Only positives I’ve never smoked and I’m physically strong. Lift free weights play sports. But your 2 and 3 definitely. My family has a history of heart disease

Despite having two close friends who were diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer a few years ago (both still alive, thankfully), I'll provide some interesting counter-intuitive data on regular colonoscopies, breast screenings, etc.:

Vinay Prasad on Cancer Screening - Econlib

Early detection of cancer seems like a very good idea. But it’s a lot more complicated than it seems. Oncologist and epidemiologist Vinay Prasad of the University of California, San Francisco talks to EconTalk’s Russ Roberts about why many tests to detect cancer do little or nothing to extend...

www.econtalk.org

Re the lattes, just switch to normal coffee or espresso. Shaken espressos there are pretty good (but $5!!!), and only contain espresso, ice, and much less skim milk.

Thanks a lot @Bowlmania. All this talk now has me feeling old enough to go out and buy a nice, new pair of white NBs.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Despite having two close friends who were diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer a few years ago (both still alive, thankfully), I'll provide some interesting counter-intuitive data on regular colonoscopies, breast screenings, etc.:

Vinay Prasad on Cancer Screening - Econlib

Early detection of cancer seems like a very good idea. But it’s a lot more complicated than it seems. Oncologist and epidemiologist Vinay Prasad of the University of California, San Francisco talks to EconTalk’s Russ Roberts about why many tests to detect cancer do little or nothing to extend...

www.econtalk.org

Re the lattes, just switch to normal coffee or espresso. Shaken espressos there are pretty good (but $5!!!), and only contain espresso, ice, and much less skim milk.

Thanks a lot @Bowlmania. All this talk now has me feeling old enough to go out and buy a nice, new pair of white NBs.

wrong son. iced shaked espresso with an add shot. so for my $6 i'm getting four shots, milk, ice, AND A PUMP OF CLASSIC!!!! that's hardly an extravagance. there are people in the world ordering five guys on door dash. let that sink in

i've lost 3 friends to various shit in the last two years. all right at 50. it'll take a lot to get me. i'm fueled by spite

 

[BradStevens]

wrong son. iced shaked espresso with an add shot. so for my $6 i'm getting four shots, milk, ice, AND A PUMP OF CLASSIC!!!! that's hardly an extravagance. there are people in the world ordering five guys on door dash. let that sink in

i've lost 3 friends to various shit in the last two years. all right at 50. it'll take a lot to get me. i'm fueled by spite

Eliminate the pump of classic. That's the bad stuff right there. I never let them put that crap in anything I order there.

Your spite is duly noted. Remind me never to break up with you.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

No, I don't. I'm well versed in it at the HS level. You just disagree and assume I don't know what I'm talking about.

Instead of sending me a link from an aggregate site, why don't you tell me what you think I have wrong? Keep in mind, I don't try and tell you about Colorado schools.

Meanwhile, search Hillsdale, Carmel, Pike and 'educate' me.

For openers:

“What seemingly is evading you is there are religious entities heading into the charter school space.”

I sent you a link to the Indiana charter school statutes. You need to read every word, as I did, (about 20 minutes) before you post again about charter schools.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Eliminate the pump of classic. That's the bad stuff right there. I never let them put that crap in anything I order there.

Your spite is duly noted. Remind me never to break up with you.

i suspect she's getting engaged this weekend. i'll be all amped up and be sure to search out hoops and bowl and a few others for a real nasty fight thread