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It isn't in schools

Who cares. Listen to me DANC. I sense somethin brewin….. that if I made either some grand gesture or just continued to hammer away I could find myself in a love triangle. Like if I fixed up and old house.

It’s going to be an incredibly interesting summer
The stoker is polyamorous!

Here you go, Murt, to get you ready:

 
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One thing we all have in common. Hardly anyone in any position thinks they get paid enough. I've rarely heard someone say they get paid enough or too much.
That's true, but I don't ever remember thinking I was underpaid. I worked so many shitty jobs for peanuts before I actually found a 'real' job that I was grateful for just being paid what a normal cubical dweeb would.

I made myself more valuable by volunteering for special assignments and learning new software/technology. By doing this, and staying with the same company (I did leave for a couple years and my old company gave me an offer I couldn't refuse), my pay went up pretty regularly, but I still wasn't paid like a superstar.

When I hit 6 figures, I couldn't even tell my dad - he wouldn't have believed me and I would actually have been embarrassed.
 
You know I wage war on woke!!! And I don’t like these crazy tranny lovin woke teachers. But teaching is among the most important occupations. We entrust them with what we cherish most. And it’s not an easy job. My god after my daughter has her sleepovers I’m exhausted they’re so Fing needy and annoying. But teachers are under fire like cops. And unfortunately it’s only human nature to tether salary to value and appreciation and recognition and if you are already under appreciated and your job is only getting more and more difficult how else are you to feel. I’m with crazy and others who would like to see teachers paid more and perhaps admins paid less. But who knows maybe there is a lot to those jobs

As an aside I saw a lady driving a van by the park yesterday with a lady hanging out waving a gay pride flag honking her horn with trans people are superheroes spray painted on the side. People are nuts
I agree with you - well compensated employees - unless they're spoiled assholes - are more appreciative and likely to put forth more effort.

Being appreciated is one of those motivational intangibles.
 
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So does that last sentence mean you only want to compare Carmel teachers to Carmel teachers and Gary to Gary.
If you want meaningful comparisons, I think you'd compare teachers of certain socioeconomic bands of kids to those of others. Or ability levels. Or whatever the big data tell us about how to group kids to ensure best use of teacher resources to teach them and that produces results--both objective standards and relative growth for the kids.

We should be having teachers specialize in this stuff and learn the best methods of reaching the different groups.
Regarding disparate funding levels, I'm all for using state or fed tax dollars to subsidize poor areas. And/or, giving poorer people education vouchers to use to go find better schools.
 
That's true, but I don't ever remember thinking I was underpaid. I worked so many shitty jobs for peanuts before I actually found a 'real' job that I was grateful for just being paid what a normal cubical dweeb would.

I made myself more valuable by volunteering for special assignments and learning new software/technology. By doing this, and staying with the same company (I did leave for a couple years and my old company gave me an offer I couldn't refuse), my pay went up pretty regularly, but I still wasn't paid like a superstar.

When I hit 6 figures, I couldn't even tell my dad - he wouldn't have believed me and I would actually have been embarrassed.
A lot of it is about where you come from and what youve done. My path is similar to yours. Decent pay but mentally exhausting jobs. I started out in a chem lab and then a micro lab in food and industrial products labs. Two years ago I doubled my income when I got a job in micro in a pharma lab. I have no complaints but I'm one of the few, so many complain about what they make and I just cant believe it. Ive told some I can get them a job somewhere else to gain a little perspective.
 
A lot of it is about where you come from and what youve done. My path is similar to yours. Decent pay but mentally exhausting jobs. I started out in a chem lab and then a micro lab in food and industrial products labs. Two years ago I doubled my income when I got a job in micro in a pharma lab. I have no complaints but I'm one of the few, so many complain about what they make and I just cant believe it. Ive told some I can get them a job somewhere else to gain a little perspective.
I got my eyes opened when I became a supervisor of a small group. I couldn't believe how many came to me and said they needed a raise because they had kids, got married, or other personal reasons.

So I was supposed to give them a raise just because they had more kids? Doesn't work that way.
 
Who cares. Listen to me DANC. I sense somethin brewin….. that if I made either some grand gesture or just continued to hammer away I could find myself in a love triangle. Like if I fixed up an old house.

It’s going to be an incredibly interesting summer
You just need to give that up. It's going to consume you.
 
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I've said before that I'm in favor of turning K-12 teaching into a real profession. I agree that it is a super important job.

That means more pay. It also means more time and accountability from that profession and the goal is to attract smarter, more driven people into the field. The goal is not to throw money at the SE Missouri State grad who slid by with a 2.0 GPA in college, got that teaching degree, and now wants to feel like people appreciate them.
LOL I dated a SEMO grad - music teacher. She was all about the teachers' union.
 
I agree with you - well compensated employees - unless they're spoiled assholes - are more appreciative and likely to put forth more effort.

Being appreciated is one of those motivational intangibles.
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You know I wage war on woke!!! And I don’t like these crazy tranny lovin woke teachers. But teaching is among the most important occupations. We entrust them with what we cherish most. And it’s not an easy job. My god after my daughter has her sleepovers I’m exhausted they’re so Fing needy and annoying. But teachers are under fire like cops. And unfortunately it’s only human nature to tether salary to value and appreciation and recognition and if you are already under appreciated and your job is only getting more and more difficult how else are you to feel. I’m with crazy and others who would like to see teachers paid more and perhaps admins paid less. But who knows maybe there is a lot to those jobs

As an aside I saw a lady driving a van by the park yesterday with a lady hanging out waving a gay pride flag honking her horn with trans people are superheroes spray painted on the side. People are nuts

The problem is teachers' unions, which cap what good teachers can make.

My daughter had a biology/chemistry teacher who go millions in scholarships for kids because she REQUIRED them to participate in science fairs (or at least do the work as if they were going to science fair). The amount of scholarships for kids from this little country school was amazing.

Yet, her salary was capped by the salary structure created by unions. Meanwhile, the lazy ass teachers who skated by only had to put their time in and they got raises for 'experience'.

Just track the downfall of American education - it started with the advent of teachers' unions.
I have known several teachers over the years, a few did it for a few yrs and moved on. A relative it was her thing, quite possibly the dumbest friend I have ever had ? This man wiped his ass with poison ivy and tried to cut the tree limb his ladder off with a saw until I pulled the plug on the cord. He is still a teacher and bitches and moans and tries to work any system anyway he can.
 
I have known several teachers over the years, a few did it for a few yrs and moved on. A relative it was her thing, quite possibly the dumbest friend I have ever had ? This man wiped his ass with poison ivy and tried to cut the tree limb his ladder off with a saw until I pulled the plug on the cord. He is still a teacher and bitches and moans and tries to work any system anyway he can.
Looks like you haven't encountered any English teachers.
 
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This is the Star but Hamilton County made national news with their book banning and wasting $300,000. What’s funny is they think teens don’t have social media to see anything that they want. But they want to ban their books, where they might actually learn something and read in context. Insanity.
 
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This is the Star but Hamilton County made national news with their book banning and wasting $300,000. What’s funny is they think teens don’t have social media to see anything that they want. But they want to ban their books, where they might actually learn something and read in context. Insanity.
Moving books from one section of the library to another is not "book banning." That's an intentional misuse of the phrase to provoke an emotional response.

From the article:

"The policy, which the board passed in December, moves materials deemed not “age appropriate” to the system’s adult sections in the Noblesville and Fishers libraries."

This is an argument about what is and what is not age appropriate. It's going to vary from community to community, person to person.
 
This is the Star but Hamilton County made national news with their book banning and wasting $300,000. What’s funny is they think teens don’t have social media to see anything that they want. But they want to ban their books, where they might actually learn something and read in context. Insanity.
They aren't banning books. They are keeping or limiting schools from introducing controversial or inappropriate material.

Kids parents are free to expose them to whatever ideas they want.

Would you like it if I were a teacher and was allowing your kids access to material promoting abstinence and pro 2nd amendment issues?
 
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This is the Star but Hamilton County made national news with their book banning and wasting $300,000. What’s funny is they think teens don’t have social media to see anything that they want. But they want to ban their books, where they might actually learn something and read in context. Insanity.
This site really needs an eyeroll emoji.
 
This is the Star but Hamilton County made national news with their book banning and wasting $300,000. What’s funny is they think teens don’t have social media to see anything that they want. But they want to ban their books, where they might actually learn something and read in context. Insanity.
This is not banning books, but rather banning inappropriate books for minors!
 
They aren't banning books. They are keeping or limiting schools from introducing controversial or inappropriate material.

Kids parents are free to expose them to whatever ideas they want.

Would you like it if I were a teacher and was allowing your kids access to material promoting abstinence and pro 2nd amendment issues?
And let’s be very clear about what we’re talking about here. In 99.9% of cases it’s pornography on the shelves that have the parents up in arms.

American kids don’t read anyway, so I don’t understand all the hand wringing.
 
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This is the Star but Hamilton County made national news with their book banning and wasting $300,000. What’s funny is they think teens don’t have social media to see anything that they want. But they want to ban their books, where they might actually learn something and read in context. Insanity.
The $300,000 is an over-inflated number that is being used to sensationalize this. They did a similar move several years ago and the cost was less than a third of this.

To the actual books though, again these are the types of books being moved to the adult section (not banned) in Fishers.

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The one in the lower right where a man is drawn bent over spreading his ass cheeks so you can see his butthole while discussing the joys of anal sex is some high quality content for a 13 year old. "But, but they can see this online..." Agreed and parents have to be vigilant over that. However, that isn't the kind of content you would expect them to see on Nickelodeon because that is deemed a kid space. Yeah, you still have to keep an eye on what kids look at even in those spaces but on things that would be weird to read out loud at a public meeting because they would be viewed as obscene, we should be able to agree that they should be put in a spot where kids are not being directed to go for content that is supposedly appropriate for them.

Kids were able to get hold of nudey mags back in the day, adults were intelligent enough to realize that didn't mean you should stick Playboy on the same shelf as Highlights, unfortunately today's adults (or a sizable portion of them) are stupid.
 
This is the Star but Hamilton County made national news with their book banning and wasting $300,000. What’s funny is they think teens don’t have social media to see anything that they want. But they want to ban their books, where they might actually learn something and read in context. Insanity.
That article doesn’t even claim the books were banned. Where on earth did you get that?

For someone who is always talking about others getting duped, you sure fall for some silly stuff.
 
Seriously Marvin, why would you bring sex into a math class, why would you bring religion into a math class, or why would you bring politics into a math class unless you had an agenda? I have no idea what the agenda was. You say "If the agenda is that there is nothing wrong with being gay or straight, what is wrong?".... well if my kid goes to a math class I want the teacher to teach them math, not try to indoctrinate them on some other subject be it religion, politics, or sexual orientation.
I do remember an algebra one the class protesting to the teacher asking why we had to learn this. Everything was abstract and there was no appearance of any practical application. As an adult I realize how stupid the teacher was because she couldn't explain it to the class.
 
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I can't believe she said this with a straight face: kids were failing out of college because they weren't ready for "diverse spaces?" And by implication, then, reading "This Book Is Gay" in middle school would prevent that? Really?

"Over the years, Bonner has watched her students graduate and go to college, only to return a year later because, she says, “They had a tough time acclimating to bigger, more diverse spaces.”

“I wanted to do something to support them,” said Bonner, who has a 10-year-old son.

After listening to her students’ questions and interests, Bonner structured a curriculum that she says included “a diverse library of texts,” including books centering Black, Indigenous and LGBTQ characters and themes."
 
I can't believe she said this with a straight face: kids were failing out of college because they weren't ready for "diverse spaces?" And by implication, then, reading "This Book Is Gay" in middle school would prevent that? Really?

"Over the years, Bonner has watched her students graduate and go to college, only to return a year later because, she says, “They had a tough time acclimating to bigger, more diverse spaces.”

“I wanted to do something to support them,” said Bonner, who has a 10-year-old son.

After listening to her students’ questions and interests, Bonner structured a curriculum that she says included “a diverse library of texts,” including books centering Black, Indigenous and LGBTQ characters and themes."
Maybe they failed because she was a shitty teacher.
 
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