It seems I remember that Davis entered the roadway from the shoulder after being dropped off in the parking lot. I am not going to assume my buddy is going to jump on a moving car. Even if Davis hadn't been hurt, a 230 lb guy is going to cause damage to the car (which he did). So no, I wouldn't expect him to jump on the car. We used to do some crazy things, but that would not have entered my mind. I wasn't there, but the people in the car backed up that Holt was not at fault.
You just don't like the fact that it has been proven by stats that we don't match those other programs. Do you want me to go to the number of final fours in that time span for each team because you won't like those numbers either. Is your self worth so much tied into thinking IU is elite that when someone proves that wrong you feel insulted.
From the outside looking in I think you've got a number of things creating this atmosphere. Crean has reached the point where he casts a wide net of offers then appears to promise whatever it takes to get players to commit which increases the feeling of entitlement that today's pampered athletes already have. Once you promise them everything how do you expect them to take you seriously when you hit them with rules. You're also up against a difference in coaching personalities. Which one would a young player fear most when it hits the fan, an enraged Tom Crean or an enraged Bob Knight? You also have a coach that appears to have no real loyalty to his players and treats them as easily replaceable parts. Loyalty and respect are two way streets. For the players to take the coach's guidance seriously he needs to treat them as if they are valued by him. Not knowing if you'll be here one year or four has to test that level of loyalty from the players.
It may be a good idea to house the players together with someone connected to the athletic department living there as an RA. I would include a curfew during the season and another general curfew during the off season. That doesn't stop them from going out and doing stupid things, but it could identify who is at risk.
It is reasonable to think that if he wants to still be on the team. You guys view point is just unbelievable but I guess some have different moral and values which they live their lives.
To get where the accident happened from where they supposedly dropped him off would require Davis to move quickly or run to the road unless Holt paused for some time before entering the road. Holt might not have seen him coming or had time to judge the intentions of Davis. We just don't know. Again the people in the car said it was Davis' fault. It sounded to me like Davis hit the car instead of the car hitting Davis.
Just a little fact I found last night doing some research is that in his last 16 years RMK went to the sweet 16 6 times which is 37.5% and if Crean goes this year it will be 3 out of 8 which is 37.5%.
This whole thing seems so stupid and irresponsible.
was not comparing them as coaches because RMK is one of the best of all time. Just pointing out that some think just making the sweet 16 is not good enough at IU and I was just showing event he best we ever had did not get pasted the sweet that often. I know coach A is Davis but he has nothing to do with this discussion.
I'm pretty sure the coach gets to make the rules, and "don't get arrested and / or cited for possession or consumption" is a fairly basic one. Holt should've known better, especially given what happened last year.
Dude 20 years ago was 1995 and I went back to 1985 and the stats show we are not in the category as those other programs. You want to compare us to the Duke or UK and I have shown you many times that we just don't matchup with those teams. I just don't understand where you come up with that IU should be in that category even though we have never had that kind od continual success. Even when we were in the category and winning championships we never had a 10 to 20 years continuous success that teams like Duke or UK has. We have had two 4 year spans where I would call us elite and that was from 73-76 and 91-94 but n the other years where we won championships it was followed by some down years and that is the difference between us and those other elite programs.
I'd like to see the evidence of that; likely the exception rather than the rule, if true at all.
They sell beer but not liquor. Gas stations in Indiana are not allowed to sale liquor, only warm beer. The food mart is not a gas station but falls under the same category.
B all day everyday... What's wrong with getting smacked around once in while? The players that are part of the current clown show would probably be thankful in hindsight for a nice forearm shiver to the throat. It would be better than losing a full ride at Indiana and ending up at Odessa college.
Don't have a dog in this fight but I know Ball State cops will taxi athletes home. However when they are in cars driving and drinking kids are going to get busted everywhere. Of course in East Lansing you get a free trip,to Italy as your punishment.
Clearly look for IU players??!! That's almost funny. These players are not very smart getting caught!
