We need a way forward, one way or the other. I'm thinking that McConnell will gum up government again to the point where the country will be in irons (ask Aloha). I'm willing to discuss anything reasonable on any topic . . . with the understanding that I have no ability to influence anybody about anything. Heck, FDR tried different things, just to experiment and see what worked. Let's do some of that for a change rather than preordaining policy based on tired old ideological canards.
Goat's POLS Thread for Mature Adults
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The polls have been accurate for some time and in 2018, but when Donald Trump is on the ballot there's something about him and his followers that the pollsters can't account for.
Polls were terrible. Worse than 2016.
What precisely do you think it means
when a political leader very specifically asks a suspected terrorist organization to "stand by"?
Does he need them to run a bake sale?
I told y'all that the poll apologists would come out of the woodwork. Exhibit A . . . . 😉
He doesn't even have to run . . .
. . . BTW, will all of the GOP candidates try to be the second coming of DJT now instead of Ronald Reagan? Curious how that works out . . . .
Ive had the same thought. A thrashing would have caused some introspection for the party. Now what happens? I think we will see the Trump party continue with full support from Fox and the right wing media.
I've go no proof. In fact, that entire line was a remnant of an earlier post I decided against making and meant to delete after I couldn't find any evidence. It looks weird to me, but who knows if Trump votes were added afterwards or previous to the Biden total.
That's one source, uncorroborated obviously. At any rate, that was posted by accident. I stand by my characterization of outside shooter's post about Trump calling up the Proud Boys as dumb. 😃
I has not. Dem candidate up by just north of 8,000 votes with 95% of votes in.
Did Trump ask you to stand by, as well? What are your skills that he feels a need to put to good use? What do you think Trump meant by telling the Proud Boys to "stand by"?
Can we get back to talking about the actual election here?
So, that was the part that tripped your trigger? You don't think black churches are a target of right wing terrorists?
I saw something about the 'silent' Trump voters. The people who, when asked, won't admit to voting for Trump. I wonder if there actually are that many of those people...and why they'd vote for Trump if they're embarrassed to admit it.
Dylann Roof must have been one of those rebel flag-wearing AR15-toting liberals. But the biggest giveaway was that he liked Burger King. Everyone knows liberals like Burger King.
@Sope Creek what do you see that still needs to be counted over there in Gah-ja?
My napkin math says there may be around 230,000 votes left to count if there is 5% still left on the table. It appears that Fulton County is the only place that has precincts needing to report. If the 230,000 votes fall in the same percentages that the rest of Fulton County has gone, that seems like it could give Biden just enough votes to overcome his 82,000 vote deficit and pull ahead. That's a lot of wishful thinking, but since you are the kingpin around those parts I thought it was worth asking.
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These mail in ballots are being counted in the presence of both GOP and Dem observers. CNN showed a scene with people authenticating those ballots,and it pointed out if the person looking at the ballot spotted what they believed was an abnormality, they held up a red placard, and a supervisor would go over and examine the ballot. These "spotters" were in turn being observed by people from both the Dems and the GOP...
The Trump campaign has sued to halt counting in MI claiming they aren't being allowed to observe. I suspect they want their own people in there raising hell rather than allowing the local party personel do what they've always done.
@Sope Creek what do you see that still needs to be counted over there in Gah-ja?
My napkin math says there may be around 230,000 votes left to count if there is 5% still left on the table. It appears that Fulton County is the only place that has precincts needing to report. If the 230,000 votes fall in the same percentages that the rest of Fulton County has gone, that seems like it would give Biden just enough votes to overcome his 82,000 vote deficit and pull ahead. That's a lot of wishful thinking, but since you are the kingpin around those parts I thought it was worth asking.
This may not be able to boost Biden into a GA win, but they could manage to affect the totals to the point where the % for Perdue ends up less than 50%, and that Senate race goes to a runoff as well. There is still an outside chance that the Dems could pick up a seat in GA, and maybe even beat Collins in ME with the 2nd choice vote in the ranked voting format.
I would trade the Senate to the GOP in a heartbeat to remove Trump. An acceptable price to pay to return some dignity and competence to the White House. Just in the last few days he's signed Executive Orders allowing him to fire career civil servants who are 'disloyal' and to initiate 'patriotic education'.
Getting Trump out would be a great thing, I don’t disagree. But I’m talking about trying to get anything accomplished. Instead ridding ourselves of Trump and attempting to do some other good, we get rid of Trump and then just stand there.
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If the senate doesn't flip but biden wins, a stalemate is better than what we have had the last 4 years. In 2 years, hopefully we can flip the senate and get some real progress then.
Biden can do some executive orders to undo some of Trump's damage and he can hang Obama's portrait at the white house lol. He should also be able to rejoin the paris climate agreement and get us back on the right track with environmental protections even if the senate remains GOP.
Biden can do some executive orders to undo some of Trump's damage and he can hang Obama's portrait at the white house lol. He should also be able to rejoin the paris climate agreement and get us back on the right track with environmental protections even if the senate remains GOP.
Biden might also have some rational, intelligent, thoughtful conversations with senators on the other side of the aisle and work out some compromises. Adults sometimes do that.
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That didn't work so well for Obama but I'm sure Biden will try to work with them. They stonewalled Obama every chance they got.
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Dumb@Sope Creek what do you see that still needs to be counted over there in Gah-ja?
My napkin math says there may be around 230,000 votes left to count if there is 5% still left on the table. It appears that Fulton County is the only place that has precincts needing to report. If the 230,000 votes fall in the same percentages that the rest of Fulton County has gone, that seems like it could give Biden just enough votes to overcome his 82,000 vote deficit and pull ahead. That's a lot of wishful thinking, but since you are the kingpin around those parts I thought it was worth asking.
Everyone knows it’s “jaw-jah”
One of the news channels said a little while ago that there are still 11 pathways leading to 269-269.
Sorry . . . I've been out mowing the front lawn.@Sope Creek what do you see that still needs to be counted over there in Gah-ja?
My napkin math says there may be around 230,000 votes left to count if there is 5% still left on the table. It appears that Fulton County is the only place that has precincts needing to report. If the 230,000 votes fall in the same percentages that the rest of Fulton County has gone, that seems like it could give Biden just enough votes to overcome his 82,000 vote deficit and pull ahead. That's a lot of wishful thinking, but since you are the kingpin around those parts I thought it was worth asking.
To the best of what I know at this point, 3% of the votes in Fulton County still need to be counted. Here's a link to a local NBC affiliate that has had good local coverage: https://www.11alive.com/.
Fulton is kind of an interesting place. It's actually a conglomeration of an old county (Milton, I believe) that went bankrupt in the 1930s, and because it was contiguous to the wealthy county in which most of Atlanta was (and is), Milton was merged into Fulton for financial reasons. But old Milton today ain't much like the rest of Fulton . . . it's now the province of wealthy suburbs, a high tech corridor and what one late helicopter traffic jockey called the "Alpharetta Autobahn" - GA 400, headed straight north from the I-285 doughnut around Atlanta. Think of what Carmel is to Indy . . . on steroids.
So it depends on where the ballots remaining to be counted come from in Fulton; if they're from old Milton, then those are likely to be more mixed to favorable to Trump. If they're from old Fulton/Atlanta, then they'd break in a highly favorable way for Biden.
The TV coverage currently is discussing the arcane procedures for validating each ballot, rather than updates regarding the totals. So I'll have to defer any analysis until the talking heads feed me some data that I can regurgitate for you.
Interestingly, the northern suburbs - Cobb and Gwinnett - have broken blue this time, much like in 2018. Lucy McBath handily defeated former GA Sec State and congresswoman Karen Handel in the 6th, so that CD seems to be McBath's to lose for a while, after it was a GOP bastion for decades. Carolyn Bourdeaux (D) has a lead on Rich McCormick (R) in the 7th district with 100% of the precincts reporting, a Dem pick up from the R retiring there.
More later . . . perhaps. Now to shower . . . I'm more stinky than usual.
As President, he could actually structure a nationwide approach to the Covid-19 problem.
He could also appoint a real attorney general, a real chief of staff, a real cabinet and a real national security advisor.
This guy doesn't two flying figs about history. Only money.
So his only big question is how will he pay the money owed to various people now that he is out of power.
It seems Biden needs close to 70% of remaining votes to go in his favor in order to surpass Trump. It will be tough to pull that off. No matter who wins Georgia, it will be razor close. I'm not sure it makes a lot of difference in the presidential, but if the uncounted votes bring Perdue under 50%, that might be interesting.
Biden has pulled 72% of the votes counted in Fulton County so far . . . so it's not out of the question.
Perdue/Ossoff is over . . . a 165k vote spread and 99% of the vote reported . . .
I ain't crying over not having Ossoff in the senate . . . and that's while I think of Perdue as a scuzz bucket. Ossoff ain't a senator . . . he was a weak congressional candidate, IMHO, much less a good senatorial candidate. I voted for him, but only for a lack of a viable option.
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I hope you’re joking about your “wonder.” Those in that category are clearly afraid to be labeled as racists or misogynists or white nationalists were they to be discovered by their group thinking woke friends. Happening all over my social circles.
In addition to that, my guess is that you can add some combination of (a) it's none of the media's damned business, (b) why should I give you information that is going to make the media money and I don't get a damned thing out of it, and (c) tactical support for the preferred candidate. If there's a dearth of information, then polls can't influence voting effectively.
I'm OK with this . . . it reflects my mindset about opinion pollsters . . . .
A local NBC outlet is reporting that Bourdeaux leads with 100% of the precincts reporting. I don't know whether they've formally called it, but reading those tea leaves doesn't take much divination . . . .
Check it out: https://www.11alive.com/
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