Gallup Poll: 91% of the Republicans support Trump

[meridian]

Are they so hopelessly partisan or are they just lacking brains to understand what is going on?

Specifically, the approval ratings on Trump's performance:
91% of Republicans
5% of Democrats
38% of independents

Gallop Poll: 9/19/2019

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Are they so hopelessly partisan or are they just lacking brains to understand what is going on?

Specifically, the approval ratings on Trump's performance:
91% of Republicans
5% of Democrats
38% of independents

Gallop Poll: 9/19/2019

As a former member of the GOP, who left when the #NewGOP arrived, I can only posit that if many of the Democrats weren’t coming with such strong socialist overtones in their policy direction, maybe...just maybe they could sway some of this 91% away.

 

[UncleMark]

As a former member of the GOP, who left when the #NewGOP arrived, I can only posit that if many of the Democrats weren’t coming with such strong socialist overtones in their policy direction, maybe...just maybe they could sway some of this 91% away.

I would posit that the number of self-identifying Republicans is dwindling, leaving only the hardest of the hard core Trumpsters.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

I would posit that the number of self-identifying Republicans is dwindling, leaving only the hardest of the hard core Trumpsters.

Its been pretty flat, perhaps up a bit since early 2010s.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

 

[zeke4ahs]

Are they so hopelessly partisan or are they just lacking brains to understand what is going on?

Specifically, the approval ratings on Trump's performance:
91% of Republicans
5% of Democrats
38% of independents

Gallop Poll: 9/19/2019

As a former member of the GOP, who left when the #NewGOP arrived, I can only posit that if many of the Democrats weren’t coming with such strong socialist overtones in their policy direction, maybe...just maybe they could sway some of this 91% away.

They might be able to get some independents, but if you still support Trump and identify as GOP, you aren’t going anywhere. You’ve already sold your soul to the devil.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

They might be able to get some independents, but if you still support Trump and identify as GOP, you aren’t going anywhere. You’ve already sold your soul to the devil.

That kind of thinking isn’t going to help

 

[twenty02]

91% x 26% = 23.6% of the population.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

As a former member of the GOP, who left when the #NewGOP arrived, I can only posit that if many of the Democrats weren’t coming with such strong socialist overtones in their policy direction, maybe...just maybe they could sway some of this 91% away.

It's really not that complicated

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

They might be able to get some independents, but if you still support Trump and identify as GOP, you aren’t going anywhere. You’ve already sold your soul to the devil.

5% of Democrats supposedly support him. Meaning polls are utterly stupid. Haven't you learned anything in the past five years?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Tied into this, 538 has a story up that the moderate middle is a myth:

But unlike independents, moderates are more likely to be Democrats. The average moderate in the Voter Study Group data is solidly center-left on both economic and immigration issues. This, I think, has mostly to do with linguistic history: Republicans have long embraced the “conservative” label, but for decades Democrats ran away from the “liberal” label, leaving “moderate” as the only self-identification refuge for many Democrats. (Only recently has “liberal” again become a fashionable identification for the left.)​

 

[zeke4ahs]

They might be able to get some independents, but if you still support Trump and identify as GOP, you aren’t going anywhere. You’ve already sold your soul to the devil.

That kind of thinking isn’t going to help

What part do you disagree with?

 

[sglowrider]

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Tied into this, 538 has a story up that the moderate middle is a myth:

But unlike independents, moderates are more likely to be Democrats. The average moderate in the Voter Study Group data is solidly center-left on both economic and immigration issues. This, I think, has mostly to do with linguistic history: Republicans have long embraced the “conservative” label, but for decades Democrats ran away from the “liberal” label, leaving “moderate” as the only self-identification refuge for many Democrats. (Only recently has “liberal” again become a fashionable identification for the left.)​

Perhaps 538 is trying to hard to specifically categorize. Where would someone with beliefs align economically with conservative and socially with liberals fall? Wouldn't it depend on how much importance they placed on the respective policies?

 

[meridian]

I would posit that the number of self-identifying Republicans is dwindling, leaving only the hardest of the hard core Trumpsters.

Apparently, there are enough left to win elections!

 

[mashnut]

Apparently, there are enough left to win elections!

Only by doing everything they can to preserve power despite far below majority support. Gerrymandering and abuse of procedural norms get you a long way.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Tied into this, 538 has a story up that the moderate middle is a myth:

But unlike independents, moderates are more likely to be Democrats. The average moderate in the Voter Study Group data is solidly center-left on both economic and immigration issues. This, I think, has mostly to do with linguistic history: Republicans have long embraced the “conservative” label, but for decades Democrats ran away from the “liberal” label, leaving “moderate” as the only self-identification refuge for many Democrats. (Only recently has “liberal” again become a fashionable identification for the left.)​

Those graphs suggest to me that what some of us have been saying all along is correct: the idea that some sort of centrist candidate is the Democrats' key to electoral victory is delusional.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Perhaps 538 is trying to hard to specifically categorize. Where would someone with beliefs align economically with conservative and socially with liberals fall? Wouldn't it depend on how much importance they placed on the respective policies?

You're reading it backwards. 538 isn't categorizing at all. They are describing categories that are self-identified by the members. As they say at the end of each section, "If you want to appeal to X, first you have to figure out, which X?"

 

[twenty02]

Perhaps 538 is trying to hard to specifically categorize. Where would someone with beliefs align economically with conservative and socially with liberals fall? Wouldn't it depend on how much importance they placed on the respective policies?

We are people walking in the desert, buddy. I'm over there in that lonely dot plot by myself and a few columnists that nobody has heard of, or everyone hates.

You either take a punch to the face or a kick in the balls.

My world says there are a lot of us. But our politics say you either need to throw in with VPM or Bernie. And that's why there is alcohol.

It's a sad day when I look at Pelosi as a moderate, but that's what we've got.

 

[twenty02]

Those graphs suggest to me that what some of us have been saying all along is correct: the idea that some sort of centrist candidate is the Democrats' key to electoral victory is delusional.

That graph shows how severely intellectually bankrupt this country is. That's about it.

Basically everything that worked for America for a very long time - free movement of people and capital - is now hated. It's a sad infection. And it's infected both parties.

 

[meridian]

I would posit that the number of self-identifying Republicans is dwindling, leaving only the hardest of the hard core Trumpsters.

Really? How do you figure 91%?

 

[twenty02]

Really? How do you figure 91%?

You would have to identify as REPUBLICAN.

Which only 25% of the country does.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

We are people walking in the desert, buddy. I'm over there in that lonely dot plot by myself and a few columnists that nobody has heard of, or everyone hates.

You either take a punch to the face or a kick in the balls.

My world says there are a lot of us. But our politics say you either need to throw in with VPM or Bernie. And that's why there is alcohol.

It's a sad day when I look at Pelosi as a moderate, but that's what we've got.

The good news for your liver is the cannabis train has left the station. I know it will take IN a while yet but edibles make you feel just as good IMO and you wake up with no hangover!

Massachusetts had some nice quality products when I sampled a few weeks back


But I hear you... It's crazy to desire Bill Clinton, but I remember things being far better despite crazies like Newt.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

What part do you disagree with?

Your hyperbole and callous disregard for the way other people see the world.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

The good news for your liver is the cannabis train has left the station. I know it will take IN a while yet but edibles make you feel just as good IMO and you wake up with no hangover!

Massachusetts had some nice quality products when I sampled a few weeks back


But I hear you... It's crazy to desire Bill Clinton, but I remember things being far better despite crazies like Newt.

And some of us pulled the lever for Hillary because she was the more conservative (at least in terms of what that’s supposed to mean) of the two options.

I agree with @twenty02 - this nation has, by and large, becomes intellectually bankrupt and has nothing but emotion left. I seriously blame social media for the majority of it.

 

[NPT]

Your hyperbole and callous disregard for the way other people see the world.

Exactly.... the attitude that "If you don't agree with me you're the enemy"

 

[NPT]

And some of us pulled the lever for Hillary because she was the more conservative (at least in terms of what that’s supposed to mean) of the two options.

I agree with @twenty02 - this nation has, by and large, becomes intellectually bankrupt and has nothing but emotion left. I seriously blame social media for the majority of it.

So true.... seems like all policy positions are based on appealing to voters' emotions.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

And some of us pulled the lever for Hillary because she was the more conservative (at least in terms of what that’s supposed to mean) of the two options.

I agree with @twenty02 - this nation has, by and large, becomes intellectually bankrupt and has nothing but emotion left. I seriously blame social media for the majority of it.

I couldn't do it for her, but also didn't vote Orange. It's just ridiculous that two of the top 3 liberal candidates are all about "free" everything and overreaching government.

 

[twenty02]

I couldn't do it for her, but also didn't vote Orange. It's just ridiculous that two of the top 3 liberal candidates are all about "free" everything and overreaching government.

Look at this nutbag.






https://reason.com/2019/09/24/vaping-rashida-tlaib-hearing-conspiracy/

 

[Marvin the Martian]

So true.... seems like all policy positions are based on appealing to voters' emotions.

The problem is that outrage works, it motivates the base. So everyone has a vested interest in pushing outrage. I think the ability to push outrage is relatively new, it was harder to do without social media. I think we humans will start to develop defenses against outrage as we are exposed to it. I think eventually this will all wear off and outrage won't be more effective than other emotions.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Look at this nutbag.

View embedded media

https://reason.com/2019/09/24/vaping-rashida-tlaib-hearing-conspiracy/

Wonderful. Our elected officials. If only Hank Johnson was there to ask her if vaping will tip the earth upside down. If only Inhofe were there to say Jesus invented vaping we’d have a hat trick.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Look at this nutbag.

View embedded media

https://reason.com/2019/09/24/vaping-rashida-tlaib-hearing-conspiracy/

It's pathetic. Then again, my House member is none other than Omar, so who am I to criticize?

 

[toastedbread]

Wonderful. Our elected officials. If only Hank Johnson was there to ask her if vaping will tip the earth upside down. If only Inhofe were there to say Jesus invented vaping we’d have a hat trick.

Why don't you run for office? Stop complaining and do something about it.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Why don't you run for office? Stop complaining and do something about it.

I’m not electable.

 

[toastedbread]

I’m not electable.

Sure you are. You're a vet. That alone counts for something

 

[VanPastorMan]

I would posit that the number of self-identifying Republicans is dwindling, leaving only the hardest of the hard core Trumpsters.

There was a story the other day where people from the leftist state of Minnesota were going to vote for Trump. So if this trend spread then it would be the opposite.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Tied into this, 538 has a story up that the moderate middle is a myth:

But unlike independents, moderates are more likely to be Democrats. The average moderate in the Voter Study Group data is solidly center-left on both economic and immigration issues. This, I think, has mostly to do with linguistic history: Republicans have long embraced the “conservative” label, but for decades Democrats ran away from the “liberal” label, leaving “moderate” as the only self-identification refuge for many Democrats. (Only recently has “liberal” again become a fashionable identification for the left.)​

The Democrats deciding to go super left,socialist,communist was a mistake.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

There was a story the other day where people from the leftist state of Minnesota were going to vote for Trump. So if this trend spread then it would be the opposite.

There are still Republicans in Minnesota. The best I can find is Trump's approval rating in Minnesota is -14. https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump-2/

Another poll mentioning Minnesota and with Trump's South Dakota chair saying Trump's odds of winning SD are "near zero"* https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/n...p-approval-rates-dipping-in-Dakotas-Minnesota.

*ON EDIT, I misread that and it is that not winning is near zero. I was scanning too quickly that part since Minnesota was the real point.

 

[NPT]

I’m not electable.

So true.... you're way to honest to get elected.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

There are still Republicans in Minnesota. The best I can find is Trump's approval rating in Minnesota is -14. https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump-2/

Another poll mentioning Minnesota and with Trump's South Dakota chair saying Trump's odds of winning SD are "near zero" https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/n...p-approval-rates-dipping-in-Dakotas-Minnesota.

You missed a key word in that SD chair's quote.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You missed a key word in that SD chair's quote.

My bad, it is the opposite. speed scanning, not always one's friend.