So what’s next or does Dolson not know?He had his man in Matta. When that fell through it forced him to start over. Have some patience.
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So what’s next or does Dolson not know?He had his man in Matta. When that fell through it forced him to start over. Have some patience.
Why was that stated incorrectly?Incorrect. The gist of the story was and is correct. Matta met with Indiana officials, talked to them about contract details to aggreable terms. He returned and took himself out of the running. (There was no physical, that was incorrectly stated previously)
Why in the hell are you listening to him?So what’s next or does Dolson not know?
Relax! Just seeing what he had to say.Why in the hell are you listening to him?
Necessary? He has been dealing with health issues while he has been out of coaching for the last 3 years that started at the end of his OSU tenure.The gist was correct? Lol. The board had a meltdown debating whether or not a physical was even necessary and if IU was going to get sued for releasing private health info.
"(There was no physical, that was incorrectly stated previously)"? Just said it there. The rest is the same..Be careful backpeddaling so fast. It's easy to lose your balance and break your wrist. But by all means, never admit you just got it wrong.
Matta would have been a terrible hire and even he turned us down. What a friggin joke.
There's not a single realistic candidate with a resume that comes close to Matta. Not one.
Matta has been out of coaching for four years and his last few seasons at OSU were mediocre.
I'm taking a lot of heat, but he didn't turn IU down, I was told he removed himself from consideration for non basketball reasons.Matta would have been a terrible hire and even he turned us down. What a friggin joke.
I completely disagree, he's a very good coach. Also, he did not turn Indiana down. He removed himself from consideration for what I was told were non basketball reasons.Matta would have been a terrible hire and even he turned us down. What a friggin joke.
Matta is a great recruiter, coach and seems like a genuine person, IU could do a lot worse.I'm taking a lot of heat, but I'm telling you he didn't turn IU down, he removed himself from consideration. I know that sounds
If If he were 'healthy" and available do you think IU would pass on him?IU is (potentially) on the verge of hiring somebody who has never coached or recruited in college EVER. Thad Matta didn't forget how to coach basketball the last four years. His health is the driving force.
No, there was no physical. That was the piece of incorrect information I was given. After meeting with IU he withdrew from consideration on his own due to non-basketball issues.Matta is a great recruiter, coach and seems like a genuine person, IU could do a lot worse.
In regards to a "physical", has any other IU coach had to take a physical before accepting a job? He had a back problem and he resigned from his previous job to take care of it. I understand that there would be concerns about flare ups, but if he would be held to a different standard because he had back surgery (or anything else) then that seems suspect too.
Anyway, we'll know what his health situation really is if he ultimately accepts another job.
If If he were 'healthy" and available do you think IU would pass on him?
I completely disagree, he's a very good coach. Also, he did not turn Indiana down. He removed himself from consideration for what I was told were non basketball reasons.
So from what you know/have been told, then, Matta is definitely no longer a possibility?If If he were 'healthy" and available do you think IU would pass on him?
No, there was no physical. That was the piece of incorrect information I was given. After meeting with IU he withdrew from consideration on his own due to non-basketball issues.
We sometimes miss the human element of the hire and the reasons for/against taking a job. If this was an active negotiation, it gives the appearance that he started without having all his personal factors lined upI completely disagree, he's a very good coach. Also, he did not turn Indiana down. He removed himself from consideration for what I was told were non basketball reasons.
I look at the two events as mutually exclusive to each other. Archie was going to be fired regardless. It was never a scenario where Dolson was only going to fire Archie contingent on him having the next head coach signed, sealed and delivered. He had to take care of Step 1 anyway and that was accomplished.
I cannot see the donor saying “ Well, let’s see here. If we don’t have the replacement, let’s grind through another year of this shit and see where we are next year.”
I think everyone had had more than their fill of Archie-ball and wanted anyone in here as a fresh start.
What is with you? Literally nothing has been said. And that Matta rumor was false.
You post like a teenager.
Stunning that anyone believed there was a physical involved. Dumb.If If he were 'healthy" and available do you think IU would pass on him?
No, there was no physical. That was the piece of incorrect information I was given. After meeting with IU he withdrew from consideration on his own due to non-basketball issues.
Not in this situation because his health concerns were well known. But the corrected information has been provided. The phrase "didn't pass his physical' was provided instead of a similar, but more accurate description. That lead him to withdraw from consideration. I will say with complete certainty that he will not be the next coach.Stunning that anyone believed there was a physical involved. Dumb.
There was some kind of break after everything had been discussed. Matta returned and had an additional conversation and then removed himself from consideration. Details in that conversation are where the incorrect "failed physical" came from. It's actually closer than you think, and will be shown to be not so 'far off the mark.'We sometimes miss the human element of the hire and the reasons for/against taking a job. If this was an active negotiation, it gives the appearance that he started without having all his personal factors lined up
So you made shit up and got called on it. Poor journalism.Necessary? He has been dealing with health issues while he has been out of coaching for the last 3 years that started at the end of his OSU tenure.
There was no "personal health information" released by anyone to my knowledge.
The story is updated with additional information. There was a word given to us incorrectly. We were told he 'didn't' pass a physical. That word was incorrect.
There wasn’t a physical, and the context in which any of that was reported was completely inaccurate.Not in this situation because his health concerns were well known. But the corrected information has been provided. The phrase "didn't pass his physical' was provided instead of a similar, but more accurate description. That lead him to withdraw from consideration. I will say with complete certainty that he will not be the next coach.
Yeah, that's what happened lol.So you made shit up and got called on it. Poor journalism.
There wasn’t a physical, and the context in which any of that was reported was completely inaccurate.
Lemme guess-- he said he couldn't play golf with the big money guys, right?There was some kind of break after everything had been discussed. Matta returned and had an additional conversation and then removed himself from consideration. Details in that conversation are where the incorrect "failed physical" came from. It's actually closer than you think, and will be shown to be not so 'far off the mark.'
oThere wasn’t a physical, and the context in which any of that was reported was completely inaccurate.
So would I be way off base if I interpret this as along the lines of IU requested that he submit to a physical exam or an "out clause" in the event his back problems prevented him from performing his duties, and that Matta declined to do so - instead removing himself from consideration. Because that's what I'm reading into this. I don't want to accuse you or anyone else of spreading false information about a "failed physical" if that is actually a small technicality. Sort of like a refusal to breathalyze constitutes a DUI.There was some kind of break after everything had been discussed. Matta returned and had an additional conversation and then removed himself from consideration. Details in that conversation are where the incorrect "failed physical" came from. It's actually closer than you think, and will be shown to be not so 'far off the mark.'
It would perhaps be helpful for Jim to walk people through how he came to post a story that was obviously false to anyone who read it (or should’ve been obvious). It was immediately evident by simply using common sense that the scenario he described wasn’t accurate. Given that, it’s difficult to understand how and why it was published. You may be incurious, but others are not, so stand to the side of you’re not interested in learning all of the facts.Yes, you are correct. What's your point? If Jim could acknowledge it in any different ways than he already has he'd be able to communicate with God Damn extraterrestrials you morons.
Let's say additional information may have been supplied or obtained in the subsequent conversation that changed the outcome.So would I be way off base if I interpret this as along the lines of IU requested that he submit to a physical exam or an "out clause" in the event his back problems prevented him from performing his duties, and that Matta declined to do so - instead removing himself from consideration. Because that's what I'm reading into this. I don't want to accuse you or anyone else of spreading false information about a "failed physical" if that is actually a small technicality. Sort of like a refusal to breathalyze constitutes a DUI.
It would perhaps be helpful for Jim to walk people through how he came to post a story that was obviously false to anyone who read it (or should’ve been obvious). It was immediately evident by simply using common sense that the scenario he described wasn’t accurate. Given that, it’s difficult to understand how and why it was published. You may be incurious, but others are not, so stand to the side of you’re not interested in learning all of the facts.
It was incredibly obvious and totally implausible. It was a laughable premise. No one should’ve believed it for even a second, it was that ridiculous. If you were fooled by it, I’m sorry, but it was completely ludicrous if you have any insight into how hires like this are made. As I said, it’s obvious you don’t understand nor do you care to.It would be unusual to ask for a physical under normal circumstances but in relation to Matta there's no reason to think it wasn't plausible. A man with physical problems undertaking a highly physically demanding job... probably would like to know his capacity to handle it.
So it's not obvious at all. If you think somebody would publish a story they knew to be false, not to mention not having been able to understand/comprehend the explanations you've been given so far, perhaps you should stand to the side. More like stand down - you're not owed anything more. It can't be explained anymore clearly as to how and why it was published.
You must be bored, this has been explained plenty. But I'll make you a deal. You get caught up on everything and if you have a serious question I'll gladly answer it. The story is absolutely not false and makes perfect sense if you follow the trail. The "physical" was a detail simply incorrectly described to me. Ex, Had I said Thad Matta 'Couldn't' pass a physical, that is a statement that could not have been denied by Indiana. 'Didn't' pass a physical is.It would perhaps be helpful for Jim to walk people through how he came to post a story that was obviously false to anyone who read it (or should’ve been obvious). It was immediately evident by simply using common sense that the scenario he described wasn’t accurate. Given that, it’s difficult to understand how and why it was published. You may be incurious, but others are not, so stand to the side of you’re not interested in learning all of the facts.
It‘s not serious to wonder why you published a factually inaccurate article? Sorry, but your parsing is more evidence of it. You simply didn’t get this correct. Nothing boring about that fact.You must be bored, this has been explained plenty. But I'll make you a deal. You get caught up on everything and if you have a serious question I'll gladly answer it. The story is absolutely not false and makes perfect sense if you follow the trail. The "physical" was a detail simply incorrectly described to me. Ex, Had I said Thad Matta 'Couldn't' pass a physical, that is a statement that could not have been denied by Indiana. 'Didn't' pass a physical is.
The basis of the story is absolutely accurate. They met, talked about all the job details, his health, salary & compensation, and were mutually agreeable to the terms discussed verbally.
Matta returned and engaged in a subsequent conversation that changed the course of the outcome. (There's a bit more that goes here that turns the whole thing on its head, but I'm saving that for later. It's the best part!) At that time he withdrew his name from consideration. That's why there are no denials to any of this.
So are you suggesting Thad Matta did not meet with IU, did not talk with them about his health, the job, salary, did not mutually agree to terms discussed, did not return, did not have another discussion and then did not remove his name from consideration? Is that what you are saying?It was incredibly obvious and totally implausible. It was a laughable premise. No one should’ve believed it for even a second, it was that ridiculous. If you were fooled by it, I’m sorry, but it was completely ludicrous if you have any insight into how hires like this are made. As I said, it’s obvious you don’t understand nor do you care to.
It was incredibly obvious and totally implausible. It was a laughable premise. No one should’ve believed it for even a second, it was that ridiculous. If you were fooled by it, I’m sorry, but it was completely ludicrous if you have any insight into how hires like this are made. As I said, it’s obvious you don’t understand nor do you care to.