Are we not saying the same thing? It just had a much more negative effect on the black community.
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Sort of mixed bag that chart.Pretty low actually...
Larceny theft rate in the U.S. by state 2022 | Statista
In 2022, the District of Columbia had the highest larceny-theft rate in the United States, with 2,783 cases of reported larceny-theft per 100,000 inhabitants.www.statista.com
Maybe but WV is quite low, which is in contrast to your hypothesis
I Agree. Massachusetts being 2nd to last counters a whole lot being discussed here.
Surely you both would agree there is no price to be placed, politically, monetarily or otherwise on the difference between old and new money. Growing up in Glencoe I would have thought JDB would understand this inherently.
That isn’t the point though. The guy buying a 4,500 sq ft house in Naperville isn’t going to be able to afford anything close to that in Lake Forest (nothing even that small), Deerfield, Northbrook, Northfield, HP, Winnetka, Glencoe, Wilamette, etc.
His options are move way NW or go to Naperville. If i had the choice, I choose Naperville, St Charles, Hinsdale, York, etc. over Palestine, Schaumburg, Arlington Heights, Lake Zurich.
My best friend lives in Lincoln park. Another very close friend too. Right down the street. A college teammate lives in Naperville. Naperville is the American dream realized. Twice the house as the other two. Great schools. Minimal crime. When family is driving the ship I’ll take Naperville for an idyllic upbringing
@ChicagoFineForNow dont sad face me. You’re doin everything just right. I haven’t seen a single misstep from you. But neither of my friends in Lincoln park have yards and their homes are well over a mil. You’ll see when you get kids.
I'd go to Munster or Crown Point. Just as nice a way cheaper. And closer to downtown.
My crusades about the North Shore are mostly TIC. JDB is right that there is a lot of luxury beliefs that lead to progressive virtue signaling. I want out of the state entirely at some point.
I grew up in Glenview, JDB in Glencoe. I'm pretty sure people from Glencoe don't even consider Glenview the North Shore. Glenview has Hispanics.
Raising a family in the city would be interesting. Conceivably you could do it with the correct private schools and a lot of $. I saw a girls HS Cross Country team run by a couple tweakers and dope fiends in the middle of a drug deal the other day. Heartbreaking.
Both of my friends are successful and have wives who are also successful and work real jobs. Careers. Schools all of it are incredibly pricey
I live in fear of the random W-2 checkpoints every time I come back home.
Schools aren’t known for being as strong. But otherwise, I wouldn’t disagree. Cheaper and lower taxes.
Does spending 3 summers at Fort Sheridan as a kid give me North Shore cred? 😄
Probably not but I don't think they are that far off. For Indiana both Munster and CP are pretty highly rated. Several other Lake County districts one would want to avoid though.
CP in particular would be home sweet home for ChiFine.
Actually in Boston as I am typing this - fascinating contrast to NYC to be frank. NYC is a hot mess, homeless people all over, walking drug zombies everywhere, trash all over the streets, reeks of weed anywhere between Midtown and Central Park, cluster**** of traffic.
Boston, while a confusing and harder city to navigate in many respects, is much cleaner, had some homeless people by the South Station area, but traffic was relatively modest, plenty of people walking/biking but wasn't like playing frogger.
Even though MA is relatively blue, the vibe is just different. Felt like people cared about the city and were less raucous - perhaps the differential in # of tourists plays a part of that.
This took me 5 seconds to find:
CNN —
Vice President Kamala Harris voiced support for “defund the police” in a radio interview in June 2020 amidst nationwide protests for police reform, just months before denouncing the movement after she had joined the Biden presidential campaign.
Harris said in the June radio interview the movement “rightly” called out the amount of money spent on police departments instead of community services such as education, housing, and healthcare, emphasizing that more police did not equate to more public safety.
“This whole movement is about rightly saying, we need to take a look at these budgets and figure out whether it reflects the right priorities,” Harris said on a New York-based radio program “Ebro in the Morning” on June 9, 2020, adding that US cities were “militarizing police” but “defunding public schools.”
Kamala Harris said "defund the police" movement "rightly" questioned size of police budgets
Harris said in the June radio interview the movement “rightly” called out the amount of money spent on police departments instead of community services such as education, housing, and healthcare, emphasizing that more police did not equate to more public safety.
That aligns exactly with the first point in the post I provided, from her June 2020 GMA appearance.
Did you listen to what she said?
I don't think many would disagree that investment in communities BEFORE crime becomes an issue and addressing the issues that lead to high crime are the correct ways to go about solving a crime problem, would they?
We can talk about allocation of resources. That’s fine. We would probably agree on a lot (although I disagree that high-crime neighborhoods need fewer police. So do many residents).
But saying Harris never explicitly supported the “defund the police” movement is false.
Agree, but is there really a movement anywhere to have less police in high-crime neighborhoods?
I've been a part of discussions with the City of Los Angeles on this kind of topic and all of the conversations were around not asking police to be the first point of contact on such a wide variety of interactions and/or to be master of such a wide and disparate variety of skills. The LAPD budget is the highest it has ever been and that's with many responsibilities reallocated to other professionals better equipped to handle them. Shortfalls in LAPD ranks aren't from not having the budget for it.
The problem is when you have a shortage it impacts the broader community as well. Slower response times etc. not showing up for certain stuff etc.
Staffing ‘crisis’ creating new risks for St. Louis police officers
There are thousands of emergency calls in St. Louis, but the city is down hundreds of officers. Some say the lack of manpower is risking the lives of not only cops, but also the public.
fox2now.com
I’ve written here and discussed for years the problem of mission creep in our institutions—using our military, schools, and police to perform functions those institutions and their people are not designed or trained to handle. Agree with that part 1000%.
That said, we have to use some common sense. Sending social workers out to deal with potentially violent situations, for example, needs to be guarded against and many times, eye witness reports/call ins misjudge situations.
I’ve said since 2020, linking mental health reform to “defund the police” is a bad political and rhetorical device.
Appreciate your engagement on this. Every interaction a city has with a citizen is unique and presents different dangers and different opportunities. The movement that I've seen hasn't been to take money away from police and send social workers out to deal with potentially violent situations. I think part of the problem is that we've somehow misidentified that every interaction is a highly dangerous situation.
I fully appreciate the danger that police officers face every day, so please don't misconstrue this as minimizing the dangers that they face. The challenge is trying to figure out how to evaluate those interactions appropriately and as human individuals. It's not easy, but it's a challenge worth undertaking.
Totally get that. It's likely never been harder to be a police officer. But that's not a budget cutting issue. From what I've been able to find (and I could certainly be wrong about this), the St. Louis police budget has only gone up. That's the case for the City of Los Angeles. It's difficult, but there are paths forward that address the concerns of all citizens if we make it a priority.The problem is when you have a shortage it impacts the broader community as well. Slower response times etc. not showing up for certain stuff etc.
Staffing ‘crisis’ creating new risks for St. Louis police officers
There are thousands of emergency calls in St. Louis, but the city is down hundreds of officers. Some say the lack of manpower is risking the lives of not only cops, but also the public.fox2now.com
It was a broader deal. Police departments were defunded (budget in some circumstances used for other things) so it led to less cops, coupled with the blm attacks and there was an unprecedented number of resignations and early retirements. Soros DAs added to the resignations. So now budgets have been increased but people don’t want the job. Reporting is a mess etc. I actually had happy hour with about 30 cops yesterday. Half got out at the first opportunity. And they’re young. 45. I don’t know the answer. These guys are no degree required etc
The problem is when you have a shortage it impacts the broader community as well. Slower response times etc. not showing up for certain stuff etc.
Staffing ‘crisis’ creating new risks for St. Louis police officers
There are thousands of emergency calls in St. Louis, but the city is down hundreds of officers. Some say the lack of manpower is risking the lives of not only cops, but also the public.fox2now.com
MM66, noticed in the piece you posted it mentioned a shortage in police officers in St. Louis.
Indianapolis has the same problem in spite of increases in pay and funding for public safety.
Could it be the problem isn't defunding the police?
A more simple explanation may be that being a police officer just isn't a career young adults in larger cities want.
In other words, in the final analysis it really isn't a conservative or liberal thing after all.
The problem is the summer of love attacks on cops from Harris and her band of lunatics gave rise to mass resignations and early retirements. Add in Soros DAs and forget it. You want to put your butt on the line for a soros da and a bail project?
It was a shitty job to begin with that not to be a dick but attracted bottom feeder applicants. If they don’t want to do it who will? We could raise their pay significantly and make the qualifications better and possibly get better cops in the process - but i don’t know
Squad politics that first year was a disaster on every front at every level of gov. But remember hoot that’s not Harris anymore. She’s a gun-toten fracker
MM66, don't know about St. Louis but Indy had a shortage of police officers long before the summer of love.
Yep retention was always hard then Harris and the far left decided to shit on them. Stupid. Stupid people.
www.npr.org
Cops Say Low Morale And Department Scrutiny Are Driving Them Away From The Job
The mass exodus comes at a delicate time for many communities large and small as violent crime is on the rise and recruitment remains difficult.
www.npr.org
Yep retention was always hard then Harris and the far left decided to shit on them. Stupid. Stupid people.
Cops Say Low Morale And Department Scrutiny Are Driving Them Away From The Job
The mass exodus comes at a delicate time for many communities large and small as violent crime is on the rise and recruitment remains difficult.
MM66, your 2021 post mentioned Covid and high crime as factors in low morale for police officers.
Hopefully with crime statistics improving and Covid being less, morale and recruitment will improve. This along with higher pay and increased funding will see more police on our streets.
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racial reckoning. Opening paragraph. But yes Covid was brutal on cops. On numerous fronts.
The far left were virtue-signaling on false pretenses and Fing with a crowd we have to protect. Yes there’s bad eggs but - tread carefully. The right has done much the same with teachers. You know I hate crt and that shit but you have to be careful teachers. That’s another vital profession you don’t want to have a dearth of. We have to take care of them.
Just a little more hoot. One of my closest friends is my daughter’s teacher. She’s got her master’s from a big ten school. Been teaching 25 years and makes $80k. That’s it. That’s a group we better be careful with too
I read that you think a local or regional issue is because of state politics
MM66, there was a time when getting a degree in education and teaching was one of the few careers available to females.
Those days are long gone.
My grandmother went to the university of Colorado back when that was hardly heard of and got her degree then her license and taught here. Her daughter, my aunt, was a special Ed teacher in the city. That is a no joke gig
