American independent journalist

[cosmickid]

Except our 1st amendment is so absolute in large part because of the 2nd.

Really? Maybe the "well regulated militia" part...

But the history of gun case law belies your presumptive claim regarding private gun ownership. That was what you are claiming. Right?

Prior to Heller in 2008,individual gun ownership was largely related to a connection to a "well regulated militia". Even Scalia wrote in Heller that there were reasonable limits, and it's likelyScalia would be dismayed at how far in the opposite direction the pendulum has swung...

Yet somehow for 200+ yrs and those pre-Heller limits to gun ownership we managed as a country to uphold the 1st amendment. What part of the 1st Amendment would you say is dependant upon concealed and open carry? Or a teen being able to own an AK-47?

"Before the 2008 Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, gun ownership was generally viewed as a collective right connected to militia membership. In the decades following the 1939 United States v. Miller case, courts ruled on gun laws based on whether they supported a well-regulated militia. For example, in Miller, the Supreme Court upheld a federal restriction on sawed-off shotguns, ruling that the Second Amendment only protects weapons that are "reasonably related" to a well-regulated militia."

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Really? Maybe the "well regulated militia" part...

But the history of gun case law belies your presumptive claim regarding private gun ownership. That was what you are claiming. Right?

Prior to Heller in 2008,individual gun ownership was largely related to a connection to a "well regulated militia". Even Scalia wrote in Heller that there were reasonable limits, and it's likelyScalia would be dismayed at how far in the opposite direction the pendulum has swung...

Yet somehow for 200+ yrs and those pre-Heller limits to gun ownership we managed as a country to uphold the 1st amendment. What part of the 1st Amendment would you say is dependant upon concealed and open carry? Or a teen being able to own an AK-47?

"Before the 2008 Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, gun ownership was generally viewed as a collective right connected to militia membership. In the decades following the 1939 United States v. Miller case, courts ruled on gun laws based on whether they supported a well-regulated militia. For example, in Miller, the Supreme Court upheld a federal restriction on sawed-off shotguns, ruling that the Second Amendment only protects weapons that are "reasonably related" to a well-regulated militia."

AR culture is almost as pathological as Trump culture

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Really? Maybe the "well regulated militia" part...

But the history of gun case law belies your presumptive claim regarding private gun ownership. That was what you are claiming. Right?

Prior to Heller in 2008,individual gun ownership was largely related to a connection to a "well regulated militia". Even Scalia wrote in Heller that there were reasonable limits, and it's likelyScalia would be dismayed at how far in the opposite direction the pendulum has swung...

Yet somehow for 200+ yrs and those pre-Heller limits to gun ownership we managed as a country to uphold the 1st amendment. What part of the 1st Amendment would you say is dependant upon concealed and open carry? Or a teen being able to own an AK-47?

"Before the 2008 Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, gun ownership was generally viewed as a collective right connected to militia membership. In the decades following the 1939 United States v. Miller case, courts ruled on gun laws based on whether they supported a well-regulated militia. For example, in Miller, the Supreme Court upheld a federal restriction on sawed-off shotguns, ruling that the Second Amendment only protects weapons that are "reasonably related" to a well-regulated militia."

Asinine. To act as if Pre-Heller gun ownership was largely dependent on a militia (aka being in the National Guard) is straight up stupid.

You are a fool.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Asinine. To act as if Pre-Heller gun ownership was largely dependent on a militia (aka being in the National Guard) is straight up stupid.

You are a fool.

Should everyone in this country have a right to own an AR and if so why do non combatants need access to these weapons??

 

[mcmurtry66]

AR culture is almost as pathological as Trump culture

Well regulated militia probably meant organized and in shape

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Should everyone in this country have a right to own an AR

Of course. Citizens should have weapon systems with equal if not greater lethality than the government. As the power to procure such weapon systems is not given to government but for the citizens.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Of course. Citizens should have weapon systems with equal if not greater lethality than the government. As the power to procure such weapon systems is not given to government but for the citizens.

Then enjoy the continued glut of mass shootings. Please follow this with the classic “guns don’t kill
People, people kill
People” argument

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Well regulated militia probably meant organized and in shape

I’m not talking about AR’s to “protrct
Themselves”

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Then enjoy the continued glut of mass shootings. Please follow this with the classic “guns don’t kill
People, people kill
People” argument

Not my argument. If you want safety, America is not the place for you. Plenty of European countries that are safer.

If you want adventure and opportunity it is. It’s a trade off that we all need to be willing to make. If you aren’t you should leave.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Not my argument. If you want safety, America is not the place for you. Plenty of European countries that are safer.

If you want adventure and opportunity it is. It’s a trade off that we all need to be willing to make. If you aren’t you should leave.

Its worlds colliding. He’s in a small rural community. You’re in a major metro with woke politicians where you’re a target in your bespoke suits, a beautiful young woman at your side, an executive at a fortune 50 company - you’re a target for some young rising star trying to gain street gang credibility. You’ve got to carry. And be ready to use it. Without my weapons I’d feel naked walking to work.

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Its worlds colliding. He’s in a small rural community. You’re in a major metro with woke politicians where you’re a target in your bespoke suits, a beautiful young woman at your side, an executive at a fortune 50 company - you’re a target for some young rising star trying to gain street gang credibility. You’ve got to carry. And be ready to use it. Without my weapons I’d feel naked walking to work.

I’m not an executive. I’m just manager level. Not bad for 30 though. If I’m not an executive by 40, I’ve done something wrong.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I’m not an executive. I’m just manager level. Not bad for 30 though. If I’m not an executive by 40, I’ve done something wrong.

That’s the path. Well done young man. Well done.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Not my argument. If you want safety, America is not the place for you. Plenty of European countries that are safer.

If you want adventure and opportunity it is. It’s a trade off that we all need to be willing to make. If you aren’t you should leave.

Dear Lord

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Its worlds colliding. He’s in a small rural community. You’re in a major metro with woke politicians where you’re a target in your bespoke suits, a beautiful young woman at your side, an executive at a fortune 50 company - you’re a target for some young rising star trying to gain street gang credibility. You’ve got to carry. And be ready to use it. Without my weapons I’d feel naked walking to work.

And dear lord again

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Should everyone in this country have a right to own an AR and if so why do non combatants need access to these weapons??

Any number of gun owners don't shoot the AR platform.
Many non-AR platforms shoot the .223 or 5.56 round.