Every time he says that I think, yeah, of course we can force our guys into turnovers.Yeah but that's not how they practice.
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Every time he says that I think, yeah, of course we can force our guys into turnovers.Yeah but that's not how they practice.
I am willing to bet they rode the team plane overI'm guessing most of the big time donors went to the game because they wanted to see Duke play and enjoy a game in Cameron
Did you all see this tweet from ESPN's Dana O'Neil last night? This is what Twitter has become. Everybody finds it funny at this point.
Did you all see this tweet from ESPN's Dana O'Neil last night? This is what Twitter has become. Everybody finds it funny at this point.
Did you read the rest of her tweets from last night? Fantastic
Maybe this has already been mentioned, but I can see what's coming on the dwindling attendance at games.....
McRobbie: "What do we do about this men's program? Attendance is falling off the table!"
Glass: "It's all about the road construction between here and Martinsville!"
McHoop
Go to this link:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...ris-dunn?_ga=1.192909795.837861270.1447816475
Watch Yogi in the 2nd video. So much hustle.
Yes, Doc Libby, I'm questioning your son's defense.
I used to think Bracey was my most hated IU player.....Yogi is making a strong case.
But I really believe under any decent coach he would have flourished.
I always thought Bracey got a tough break.
He didn't realize he was going to play for a coach who wouldn't develop him at all.
In my opinion most of Braceys failings fall on Davis.
Feel more that way about Yogi.True....guess he and Yogi are in similar situations with their coach. But it always seemed to me that from day 1 Bracey was always about Bracey.
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I don't think Indiana's defensive problem is lack of effort. It's lack of knowledge. Hoosiers don't know how ... Which actually is worse.
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This is another one from last night that I point out because it's similar to a tweet I think was from Bozich quoting a NBA scout watching them in Maui. Guy said effort wasn't the problem, they play hard on defense but they don't close out close out aggressively, the rotations are crap, etc....all stuff supporting the problem's not mainly with guys on the court.
There's times you don't want to overhelp. Like against Wisconsin's guards, but yea, he's an idiot. I told you guys the day I figured it out, not that that's any kind of accomplishment. It was during an interview on ESPN, where they were talking to coaches about analytics. Crean answered (paraphrased) "we use +/- to gauge other teams weaknesses". I don't really consider plus/minus analytics, they're kind of a joke stat as far as I'm concerned. More importantly, there is no possible way to gauge another teams weaknesses using it. He talks to talk and sound smart. He's an idiot. Blame Izzo for hyping him. It's like he created a sleeper agent coach.He really did say 'we don't want to help on defense'.
It's finally happened. We've dropped so low, we're jealous of Matt Painter.I've been saying this for years...it's systematic. Listen to his press conference last night, I truly question his defensive acumen. Basically sounds like your drunk uncle at a YMCA game telling you to man up and guard your man better.
He really did say 'we don't want to help on defense'. What in the total F??
Everybody turn your head north and look at Ray Davis. The kid was a 30 point, ball hogging scorer in high school. Painter sat his ass and demanded that he developed a defensive identity within the framework of their defensive scheme.
Today he's considered one of the best defensive players in the country.
It can be done if you can coach it.
I've been saying this for years...it's systematic. Listen to his press conference last night, I truly question his defensive acumen. Basically sounds like your drunk uncle at a YMCA game telling you to man up and guard your man better.
He really did say 'we don't want to help on defense'. What in the total F??
It can be done if you can coach it.
It's finally happened. We've dropped so low, we're jealous of Matt Painter.
There's times you don't want to overhelp. Like against Wisconsin's guards, but yea, he's an idiot. I told you guys the day I figured it out, not that that's any kind of accomplishment. It was during an interview on ESPN, where they were talking to coaches about analytics. Crean answered (paraphrased) "we use +/- to gauge other teams weaknesses". I don't really consider plus/minus analytics, they're kind of a joke stat as far as I'm concerned. More importantly, there is no possible way to gauge another teams weaknesses using it. He talks to talk and sound smart. He's an idiot. Blame Izzo for hyping him. It's like he created a sleeper agent coach.
btw- have you seen Hollowell's stats?
I always thought Bracey got a tough break.
He didn't realize he was going to play for a coach who wouldn't develop him at all.
In my opinion most of Braceys failings fall on Davis.
Nope. He was explaining that the biggest problem on defense is that we weren't as good on the ball, and that meant we had to help, which we didn't want to do, because it left guys open. The impression I got was that we don't know how to run help defense properly because Crean doesn't teach them how, thinking that helping is something that only happens in an emergency, rather than a skill to be honed (and even then, WTF?)...18.6/3.8/2.0 . . . are you surprised? I'm not . . . .
BTW, as to Crean's "we don't want to help on defense", my sense is that he's talking about the attitude of the players, not the intent of the coaching staff . . . I hope.
Nope. He was explaining that the biggest problem on defense is that we weren't as good on the ball, and that meant we had to help, which we didn't want to do, because it left guys open. The impression I got was that we don't know how to run help defense properly because Crean doesn't teach them how, thinking that helping is something that only happens in an emergency, rather than a skill to be honed (and even then, WTF?)...
There's times you don't want to overhelp. Like against Wisconsin's guards, but yea, he's an idiot. I told you guys the day I figured it out, not that that's any kind of accomplishment. It was during an interview on ESPN, where they were talking to coaches about analytics. Crean answered (paraphrased) "we use +/- to gauge other teams weaknesses". I don't really consider plus/minus analytics, they're kind of a joke stat as far as I'm concerned. More importantly, there is no possible way to gauge another teams weaknesses using it. He talks to talk and sound smart. He's an idiot. Blame Izzo for hyping him. It's like he created a sleeper agent coach.
btw- have you seen Hollowell's stats?
17 0r 18 PPG, 24 per 40 minutes, 27+ PER.... 25+ adj for SOS. Only a few games in but he's having a great start. Less than 15% TO ratio and more assists than TO's.What is he almost 19 points a game and very few turnovers? Wonder what his PER is?
What gets me is we lose more ranked players than most programs get. Minnesota is still celebrating their 'highest ranked recruit in years' in Amir Coffey (lives in the twin cities and is the son of former gopher Richard Coffey). Amir is a four star.
The 'we don't want to help' comment kills me because it's what I free up with. Today's athletes are too good off the dribble to hope that all five guys can play a straight up man to man. I was watching the Duke game laughing my ass off because they extended their offense, our guys came out mano to mano to guard and now Duke had all kinds of room to break it down. Once they beat one guy it just collapsed like a house of cards.
Help defense to me is all about recognizing, communicating and most importantly anticipating vs reacting. If you're reacting your dead. Help defense is like in football when the cornerback will guide the reciever to the safeties. If someone gets beat, the other helps and everyone else quickly rotates and switches.
Now if you're a badass like Davis you play the strong hand, force them the other way to their hand and to your help and anticipate and switch when the help takes over, cutting off the pass while anticipating it.
Pretty basic but effective and BEAUTIFUL when a team can do it. Hell I'd rather watch that then a dunk and three point show.
Bracey's first 8 games his freshman year were phenom. But he was victim of Davis.
Yogi is just simply way overrated.
What are Hollowells stats?
I hate to tell you this but development of guards and wings is not one of Crean's problems. Groce? Yes, Painter? Yes. McCaffery? Yes. Not Crean. On average a majority of his players in those positions produce numbers (SOS and pace neutral) higher than their ranking's average. Yogi under Crean has not been great nor has he been bad. 22.4 is the average for his role, position and ranking. He had 22.1 (adj for SOS) last year. He has about the same this year. Blackmon is also over average for his role and ranking. Of our guards and wings only Johnson is under. Now using them correctly in game situations is another story.Yogi is not overrated. He's a very, very good talent. He's been a waste at IU under Crean....as they play this ridiculous "no structure" philosophy. Put Yogi at Duke for 4 years, he'd be a monster.
Yeah, but do the numbers reflect defensive development?I hate to tell you this but development of guards and wings is not one of Crean's problems. Groce? Yes, Painter? Yes. McCaffery? Yes. Not Crean. On average a majority of his players in those positions produce numbers (SOS and pace neutral) higher than their ranking's average. Yogi under Crean has not been great nor has he been bad. 22.4 is the average for his role, position and ranking. He had 22.1 (adj for SOS) last year. He has about the same this year. Blackmon is also over average for his role and ranking. Of our guards and wings only Johnson is under. Now using them correctly in game situations is another story.
I hate to tell you this but development of guards and wings is not one of Crean's problems. Groce? Yes, Painter? Yes. McCaffery? Yes. Not Crean. On average a majority of his players in those positions produce numbers (SOS and pace neutral) higher than their ranking's average. Yogi under Crean has not been great nor has he been bad. 22.4 is the average for his role, position and ranking. He had 22.1 (adj for SOS) last year. He has about the same this year. Blackmon is also over average for his role and ranking. Of our guards and wings only Johnson is under. Now using them correctly in game situations is another story.
Yeah, but do the numbers reflect defensive development?
PER..Not familiar with the metric....what is it? I don't think Yogi has been bad whatsoever..hell, he's been IU's best player for 3 years now, by a pretty decent margin. Blackmon is very good too, on one half of the floor. How do these ratings incorporate defense?
Defense is a team discipline. Not making excuses but that's what I firmly believe and have experienced when playing. Now I get to say this .. Vic was a good individual defender, but a poor team defender. I don't think Crean kows how to teach defense and his Kenpom numbers support me.
Five poor individual defenders if they play well with each other can play effective defense. So, I don't believe we have poor defensive players. I believe Hartman and Blackmon are slow footed. I believe Yogi is short. I believe Bryant is slow to react. But I've seen Wisconsin teams with five slow footed non jumping crew cut guys dominate teams defensively and without much pressure. Look at Creans efficiency numbers. He truly is a poor defensive coach. Generally you see top offensive guys with low defense numbers coming from mid majors, where they just don't have the athletes. Major division guys don't last this long with that poor a defensive philosophy.
All that makes sense, but I asked because ultimately the question wasn't about the quality of the players as defenders, but the quality of Crean in development. Whether you focus on individual or team defense, wouldn't you agree that Crean's players don't really develop in either area, no matter the position they play?Defense is a team discipline. Not making excuses but that's what I firmly believe and have experienced when playing. Now I get to say this .. Vic was a good individual defender, but a poor team defender. I don't think Crean kows how to teach defense and his Kenpom numbers support me.
Five poor individual defenders if they play well with each other can play effective defense. So, I don't believe we have poor defensive players. I believe Hartman and Blackmon are slow footed. I believe Yogi is short. I believe Bryant is slow to react. But I've seen Wisconsin teams with five slow footed non jumping crew cut guys dominate teams defensively and without much pressure. Look at Creans efficiency numbers. He truly is a poor defensive coach. Generally you see top offensive guys with low defense numbers coming from mid majors, where they just don't have the athletes. Major division guys don't last this long with that poor a defensive philosophy.
I never posted this on the IC (this year) but yes we do have something that represents defense or any other intangible. We simply call it an IR - Intangibles Rating. It creates a PER without any offensive stats, which are then replaced with a team point average, and other things like roland avg, and win shares, and def PER. We created it because PER does a poor job representing players like Dane Fife, and Aaron Craft. Odd thing, most good teams have one player sometimes two guys who's intangibles PER is higher than their actual. Butler was full of them. MSUu always has a couple. Same with Michigan. Wisconsin has always had them. Gassar last year. Rosie Jones at Butler. R Davis at Purdue. Jefferson and Jones at Duke. The "glue or guts" guy. We have not, with the exception of Yogi his freshman year had a player who has had a higher IR than PER.Yeah, but do the numbers reflect defensive development?
Yea, look at the post above. I think that says a lot about all "team" oriented development. He develops physical attributes well, but not the cerebral or team aspect of the game. But, I believe the thing he fails at the most is developing and appreciating the role guys. The ones to do the dirty work, which includes defense. Who is our defesive stopper? Who's our ball control PG? Who is our big assed thug to control the paint? We never have those guys.All that makes sense, but I asked because ultimately the question wasn't about the quality of the players as defenders, but the quality of Crean in development. Whether you focus on individual or team defense, wouldn't you agree that Crean's players don't really develop in either area, no matter the position they play?
And that really brings it full circle back to what we've all been saying, which is that he just doesn't have a very deep understanding of the game himself.Yea, look at the post above. I think that says a lot about all "team" oriented development. He develops physical attributes well, but not the cerebral or team aspect of the game. But, I believe the thing he fails at the most is developing and appreciating the role guys. The ones to do the dirty work, which includes defense. Who is our defesive stopper? Who's our ball control PG? Who is our big assed thug to control the paint? We never have those guys.
Basketball Jesus had teams where two three players getting offensive numbers and the rest were all role players. Jamie Dixon at Pitt, Howland at Pitt and UCLA. they both prospered when they have a few of these intangibles guys. When they each started recruiting better and got teams full of "stars" they both failed. Marshall had 3 last year.
I don't want him. He doesn't fit the criteria.Archie Miller will be our coach next fall. It will be a 180 from what we're watching now