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Desantis cost Florida a billion dollars to get even with Disney

I was gonna say "Houston"

But you beat me to it
Actually Austin would be perfect for the pronoun mice. But New Mexico would work too. Epstein's Zorro ranch is still for sale I think. Why have Cinderella's castle when you could have the real thing right? It is what Disney is really all about no? Pinocchio's Pleasure Island?
 
Galveston and those beaches are horrible. There's nowhere else in the US they can replicate what they have in Fla
That's why I'd look at regional theme parks. I'll bet every other state in the country would give them tax breaks.
 
You sure are back and forth on the guy.

Look man F*ck Disney. It's about time someone stuck it up their a$$. The heads of the company coming out saying they are gonna make movies and add lgtbq freaks as characters? Another says they have secretly added crap behind the scenes for years. Desantis has them by the balls. What are they gonna do move their empire? It totally cracks me up to see the Colorado gov (idiot btw, I know restaurant owners that lost their businesses due to his over reach) come out and offer a deal. If Disney did move, someone else would grab that property and make something bigger and better without the mice and their pronouns. I applaud Desantis, again we do not need this hideous support for freaks that cannot figure out what sex they are!
You consider LGBTQ people freaks. . Are you 110 years old or just don’t get out much.? That’s embarrassing
 
So you support what Desantis did. It was a state issue they handled at the state level.

Frankly, I think this utopia you all envision where the GOP comes in and just sticks to governing type of stuff is a fantasy. If you do not engage on the culture issues, you are surrendering the culture to the left. Politics is downstream of culture.

There is a more aggressive right that is rising up and it has a heavily populist bent. I would crawl over glass to vote for Desantis today. You want that version of what you want the GOP to look like back, you are going to have to fight to get the country back to a place where that is conceivable.
Not happening. There may be bumps in the road, but the country is moving on and there isn’t anything the Desantis types can do about it. He may be president and roll things back for awhile, but he will then face a backlash . The large percentage of the country disagree with the ultra conservative agenda. They just happen to have the loudest mouths. And sadly the old folks vote the most. But it will continue to change....
 
You consider LGBTQ people freaks. . Are you 110 years old or just don’t get out much.? That’s embarrassing
Read the rest of the posts zeke. I did not know what else to call the people I described so I think we settled on pronouns?
 
He's not. You should listen to pollster Richard Baris who was with Desantis just a couple weeks ago and knows him well. He's the probable VP in 2024. A deal has likely been made already. Desantis truly believes that Trump won in 2020 and we owe it to him to give Trump the nomination in 2024. He's absolutely not running against Trump. Look for Trump to eventually switch residency to NJ like Dick Cheney did in Wyoming in 2000.
Oh that’s great news. So he’s a nut too and believes Q like nonsense? The new GOP....
 
Disagree.

The right has been under this delusion that we are dueling under the same rules. We walk the ten paces and prepare to fire our single shot pistol at the opponent only to see that they have a 12 gauge pump that they unload into us. We say, "Hey, you cheated, those are not the rules..." They reply, "No we didn't." They win that duel.

So we all huddle together and though some say, "Hey, we need to get a shotgun for the next duel or they will kill us again." And those people are tut-tutted that we must not stoop to their level. These are the rules. Our principles are to stick to the rules.

So the next duel is set up and we start our paces and at the 8th step they unload the 12 gauge into our single shot, musketball armed dueler's back and kill him as well. We get all indignant, "What the actual ****, you shot him in the back."

"No I didn't," is the reply.

So again we go back to our huddle. Again it is brought up that these rules are getting us killed. But our thought leaders again tell us that these are our principles and we must follow them.

On and on it goes and on and on our dueling partners are basically murdered. They are dead, but they died a principled death.

Respectfully, if you ascribe to a set of rules that your opponent does not, you are accepting second class status as a principled loser. Your principles mean nothing because they do not exist in the real world. You need to pick up a shotgun, unload in a few backs at 2 paces, and then see if the other side wants to revisit that conversation about principled rules or if they wish to continue watching their duelist get shot. Only then, when you have reached a level of MAD can you bring the conversation back to the center...or it all blows up. If that happens, it is not much different for you for continuing to lose anyway.

(This is all metaphorical if that was not clear, I am not talking about actually shooting people...it is tactics to advance your ideas.)
Have you literally slept through the last decade. The Supreme Courts, the not acknowledging the election results? You think Democrats are the ones forcing this. That’s truly scary thinking.
 
Where have we won anywhere Bulk? We are helpless, huddling whiners.

What conservative messages do you feel are spread through entertainment media? Name me 10 openly conservative actors without googling. 10 openly conservative singers without googling. I can give you dozens for each on the other side. Name a movie that is blatantly conservative and isn't some independent film.

Show me public schools where the teachers are lining up to push traditional values on sexuality, civics, government, etc. I provide you all with examples all the time where that isn't the case. Should be easy to come up with a conservative teachers union movement similar to the NEA who fight for the opposite things.

We "fought" on abortion but you can still get it everywhere. In the time it took us to get to a point where you could discuss any types of restrictions (50 damn years) the left marched through everything up to the point of men playing women's sports and is changing our language so that we cannot even use the normal pronouns that have been in the English language for centuries anymore.

Conservatives e times more likely to be banned or shut up on Twitter. Corporations got Pence to back off of RFRA by forcing people to leave. I don't feel I can have some of the discussions we have on this board with my actual name attached because it is likely to get me fired. Do you feel you have to downplay your politics around people?

We haven't won shit. We whine and we complain that things are going the way they are but we never do anything but whine and complain about it. And the GOP gets in office and they just don't have the votes to get stuff through...never can do it. Never seems to stop the Democrats. 1 guy. 1 guy stopped a 50/50 Senate from completely overhauling our economy and probably knowingly getting wrecked for it in the next election. Democrats always move the ball. Their activists always move the ball. Consequences be damned. They just shout down and harass opposition out of existence. And they usually have the government, media, news, etc. to help. Someone gets to uppity, you sick Taylor Lorenz on them to shut them up.

There are things the Democrats fund through government that is just finding their leftist activists. They take over organizations and then those organizations become part of the Borg.

I will make this more simple. Conservatives have said they were for smaller government since basically when everyone on this board has been alive. Government has never shrunk in any of our lifetimes. The GOP is a coward party who is more worried about what happens at DC wine parties then they are in winning. The proof is in the pudding.
Where have you won. . You won by stealing a Supreme Court seat, one of the easiest ways to influence the country. What it appears you want to do is move the country back a century or so. The country and the world will continue to progress regardless of what you and I think. Peop,e and policies change over the years. Gay marriage was unthinkable a few decades ago. You cannot make people fit into your or anyone’s idea of what is normal. People and policies will evolve as always. It will go far one way and then the pendulum will swing back.
 
And how much money is Florida and specifically Orange and Osceola counties going to pull in from taxes now that Disney and other companies will no longer be exempt from those taxes?
Disney has never been exempt from state property taxes. They pay the same rate as everyone else, and paid $40,000,000 last year alone. They run their own utilities (fire, water, sewer, etc). But they also incorporated that infrastructure into their development planning and arguably do it more efficiently than relying on public utilities.
 
And yet lately it’s been DeSantis who has made it his main talking points. See the problem?
Yeah, somebody actually got in the way of your team's agenda. "Oh my gaia, the conservatives are fighting the culture war because they won't let us change the next thing that has been this way for centuries if not millenia." Respectfully, if you are the one pushing for change, you are at fault in the culture wars. Y-O-U. You.
 
Not happening. There may be bumps in the road, but the country is moving on and there isn’t anything the Desantis types can do about it. He may be president and roll things back for awhile, but he will then face a backlash . The large percentage of the country disagree with the ultra conservative agenda. They just happen to have the loudest mouths. And sadly the old folks vote the most. But it will continue to change....
Exhibit A your honor. Rejecting the teaching of sexual information to 5 to 9 year olds is "ultra conservative".

I want the fight Zeke. You should be checking polling in Florida on this issue among members of your "team". The reason they wanted to shut down LoTT is because it shown a bright white light on the activist class of the left. And when people see them in their own words, they are rightly viewed as lunatics.
 
Exhibit A your honor. Rejecting the teaching of sexual information to 5 to 9 year olds is "ultra conservative".

I want the fight Zeke. You should be checking polling in Florida on this issue among members of your "team". The reason they wanted to shut down LoTT is because it shown a bright white light on the activist class of the left. And when people see them in their own words, they are rightly viewed as lunatics.
Cmon man. They're completely sane. We can't hold people responsible for their student loan debt because 18-20 years couldn't possibly understand what they were actually entering into at that time. However if a 10 year old wants to change his gender without parental consent he should be free to do so no questions asked. Liberal logic 101.
 
Yeah, somebody actually got in the way of your team's agenda. "Oh my gaia, the conservatives are fighting the culture war because they won't let us change the next thing that has been this way for centuries if not millenia." Respectfully, if you are the one pushing for change, you are at fault in the culture wars. Y-O-U. You.
So how far back, exactly, would you rewind the clock of change?
 
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Correct their duty is to shareholders so they should have never come out and made such idiotic statements in regards to the Parental Rights in Education bill. Just keep your mouth shut and move on. Since they opened their mouth the stock has been spiraling downward. Its time to stop the nonsense! I catch a freak in the bathroom with my daughter and they are gonna be re-arranged by me and her brothers for the rest of their life. God Damned idiots!
your behavior on here is 100% projection. You're such an easy spot. I'll leave it at that.
 
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Yes people are moving to Fla in droves. Hopefully they won't vote in kind with the blue state taxes and policies they left behind.

I hate all the woke shit but Desantis' war against it just adds fuel to the fire imo. He's the opposite side of it, and not in a good way.

The Disney issue isn't spawned by anything other than retaliation to wokeness. The good of Fla residents had nothing to do with it. It's pandering.

I would vote for DeSantis but he's not what the country needs. He'll just incite other groups. I'm hoping someone better emerges
For you, does hoping for "someone better" rule out your support for "somebody/anybody who doesn't suck quite as much"?

I think DeSantis will have more trouble with his Congressional redistricting strategy (which has more direct negative implications) than his Disney strategy or his schoolbooks strategy or his mask strategy or his new I'm-not-Trump strategy.
 
For you, does hoping for "someone better" rule out your support for "somebody/anybody who doesn't suck quite as much"?

I think DeSantis will have more trouble with his Congressional redistricting strategy (which has more direct negative implications) than his Disney strategy or his schoolbooks strategy or his mask strategy or his new I'm-not-Trump strategy.
His approval rating is at an all time high and cash is flowing. He's on a great trajectory
 
For you, does hoping for "someone better" rule out your support for "somebody/anybody who doesn't suck quite as much"?

I think DeSantis will have more trouble with his Congressional redistricting strategy (which has more direct negative implications) than his Disney strategy or his schoolbooks strategy or his mask strategy or his new I'm-not-Trump strategy.
Let’s talk Biden inflation!
 
I posted the Official Statement for one of the bond issues in question. That one is like all that I have read and approved. The Disney property escaping taxes to satisfy the bonds won’t happen. In fact, I think the opposite will be true. Disney could end up paying county taxes and bond taxes.

Some might call that Disney paying its fair share.
Yep.

Interesting how Disney is no longer an “evil capitalist 1%-er profit-maker.” All because of an argument about sex ed in K-3.

Maybe they’ll turn it into a brothel and massage parlor.

“Happy Ending Land - anything your heart desires.”
 
I agree- my Republican Party needs to turn away from the divisive shit and just throw everything to the states. Then we all just go live where it best suits us- vote with our feet as it were. It’s one thing to just stand against counter culture Woke BS- it’s another to start resembling totalitarian state legislating how folks live
Voting "with our feet" is an outdated expression.

Employees have far fewer options today to just pack it up and move to greener pastures,

Voting "with our feet" inevitably means risking your current paycheck, your current right to participate in a 401(k), your current home equity, your current satisfaction with your local schools and neighborhood, your current right to public benefits, your current relations with your spouse and children and on and on. And for what -- a once in a lifetime chance to land a dream job in an employment-at-will state where your new employer can fire you after one day without severance benefits or impose new onerous working conditions never discussed in previous job interviews?

If the post-covid gig job economy proves instructive, my sense is that those folks are not changing geographical location nearly as much as they are just changing the type of work they are doing.
 
Voting "with our feet" is an outdated expression.

Employees have far fewer options today to just pack it up and move to greener pastures,

Voting "with our feet" inevitably means risking your current paycheck, your current right to participate in a 401(k), your current home equity, your current satisfaction with your local schools and neighborhood, your current right to public benefits, your current relations with your spouse and children and on and on. And for what -- a once in a lifetime chance to land a dream job in an employment-at-will state where your new employer can fire you after one day without severance benefits or impose new onerous working conditions never discussed in previous job interviews?

If the post-covid gig job economy proves instructive, my sense is that those folks are not changing geographical location nearly as much as they are just changing the type of work they are doing.
Give me a freaking breat - so many people are leaving the People's Paradise of California and New York, the states they're moving to have gained Congressional Reps.

With so many people working from home or wherever they want, there's no better time to move if you want.

Or you can just whine about your situation.
 
But does he have the stones to challenge Trump? Or does he wait until 28 if Trump runs?
He's not challenging Trump. Even if he did he'd lose. If by some miracle he won the primary the general election would be a repeat of the Georgia runoffs.
 
Give me a freaking breat - so many people are leaving the People's Paradise of California and New York, the states they're moving to have gained Congressional Reps.

With so many people working from home or wherever they want, there's no better time to move if you want.

Or you can just whine about your situation.
They're moving from Cali and NY because of the cost of living due to the high demand in those places. That's it. People can work remotely or make nearly the same pay while paying $300-600K for a house compared to $1M+.

If I could afford a $1M house right now, I'd be living in Santa Cruz or Half Moon Bay.
 
Where have we won anywhere Bulk? We are helpless, huddling whiners.

What conservative messages do you feel are spread through entertainment media? Name me 10 openly conservative actors without googling. 10 openly conservative singers without googling. I can give you dozens for each on the other side. Name a movie that is blatantly conservative and isn't some independent film.

Show me public schools where the teachers are lining up to push traditional values on sexuality, civics, government, etc. I provide you all with examples all the time where that isn't the case. Should be easy to come up with a conservative teachers union movement similar to the NEA who fight for the opposite things.

We "fought" on abortion but you can still get it everywhere. In the time it took us to get to a point where you could discuss any types of restrictions (50 damn years) the left marched through everything up to the point of men playing women's sports and is changing our language so that we cannot even use the normal pronouns that have been in the English language for centuries anymore.

Conservatives e times more likely to be banned or shut up on Twitter. Corporations got Pence to back off of RFRA by forcing people to leave. I don't feel I can have some of the discussions we have on this board with my actual name attached because it is likely to get me fired. Do you feel you have to downplay your politics around people?

We haven't won shit. We whine and we complain that things are going the way they are but we never do anything but whine and complain about it. And the GOP gets in office and they just don't have the votes to get stuff through...never can do it. Never seems to stop the Democrats. 1 guy. 1 guy stopped a 50/50 Senate from completely overhauling our economy and probably knowingly getting wrecked for it in the next election. Democrats always move the ball. Their activists always move the ball. Consequences be damned. They just shout down and harass opposition out of existence. And they usually have the government, media, news, etc. to help. Someone gets to uppity, you sick Taylor Lorenz on them to shut them up.

There are things the Democrats fund through government that is just finding their leftist activists. They take over organizations and then those organizations become part of the Borg.

I will make this more simple. Conservatives have said they were for smaller government since basically when everyone on this board has been alive. Government has never shrunk in any of our lifetimes. The GOP is a coward party who is more worried about what happens at DC wine parties then they are in winning. The proof is in the pudding.
Country Club Republicans like to think they speak for the Republican Party. They're the guys Aloha and INRanger admire. And then their wives get embarrassed at their social clubs for being Republicans (shudder).

Cretins like Trump, who can move the ball, are just low-lifes and are dangerous.
 
Give me a freaking breat - so many people are leaving the People's Paradise of California and New York, the states they're moving to have gained Congressional Reps.

With so many people working from home or wherever they want, there's no better time to move if you want.

Or you can just whine about your situation.
Only problem with that is the the Democrats have no intention of leaving states like Texas & Florida alone. Not as long as they have control of the Injustice Department.
 
They're moving from Cali and NY because of the cost of living due to the high demand in those places. That's it. People can work remotely or make nearly the same pay while paying $300-600K for a house compared to $1M+.

If I could afford a $1M house right now, I'd be living in Santa Cruz or Half Moon Bay.
That would be to your advantage as well as ours.
 
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His approval rating is at an all time high and cash is flowing. He's on a great trajectory

He should go for it. Never wait.

No one disputes this Disney stunt is anything more than political payback. Is that what we really want from our leadership? To me it's disqualifying. He may be more palatable than Trump, but he's no better.
 
Hey, murt (love that), let's draw this out to its most catastrophic ending. Let's say Disney says, "Fine, we're out of here, and puts up a For Sale sign on the front gates.
How would that affect DeSantis, Florida, and Orlando, in your opinion?
Why even consider that? It’s never going to happen. They spent a treasure chest to develop that place.
 
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