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Desantis cost Florida a billion dollars to get even with Disney

There will be no “winner” in the culture wars. There can’t be one. They are only divisive and do not advance the country one bit. They are destructive. I refuse to participate.
Does the left ever talk about culture wars? This issue is about recognizing LGBTQs are among us and leading productive lives. Eventually we'll get to a comfortable spot as society about how children come to realize that.
 
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We don’t need rude. We need unification. Trump is a disaster. Biden is a disaster. DeSantis is smarter than both of them combined but he’s easily baited by hostile reporters and comes off as a prick. Period.
Biden is a disaster. He has been in government since God made dirt and he has no accomplishments. He lies about everything he has done--because he has never done anything remarkable.. He even lies about how his wife was killed. Now he is senile on top of his well below average smarts.

Trump is only a disaster specific terms. He can't take a punch without going petty. He even came down on Club for Growth because he took offense at it disagreeing with his Vance endorsement. On the other hand, Trump is highly effective. He was effective in private life an he was as POTUS. He gave us a Hall of Fame quality border policy that Biden shitcanned in days. He have us Hall of Fame quality Energy policy that Biden shitcanned in hours. The list goes on. Trump was many negative things, but I wouldn't call him a disaster.

DeSantis is neither of those. DeSantis is mounting a resistance to LBGTQ+ nonsense for kids, he is mounting a resistance to Social Justice nonsense, he is mounting a defense to Climate Change nonsense, the list goes on there too. I don't mind if is rude about that stuff. As you know, I was all in on Romney for years, I finally broke with him when he called people treasonous. But even when I supported him, I thought he wasn't rude enough during the 2012 campaign. There are times and places when rudeness is called for. DeSantis might overplay it some, but not by a lot.
 
The pronoun business is a great example.

If some person wants to be referred to as "they"......ok, weird as hell but whatever.......and you can ask me to call you "they". I won't, but I don't mind you asking. And I won't criticize your weirdness. But that's not enough. Kids are now being instructed by their teachers to use the another's preferred pronoun at risk of punishment for refusal. That is not acceptable.

I have yet to meet a pronoun person. If one asked me to use their preferred pronoun I would try. But if I forget the preference I don't need said person to get all up in my face. If that would happen the pronoun I would use is a$$hole.
 
Ok, an example from the thread I posted about adding cultural or politically left leaning items in math textbooks. The rules are that we don't do that. You can hop into that thread and the usual "I don't see nuthin'" people are chiming in. The rules would normally be that we bitch and moan about this and we say this isn't right and we need to win a school board election and then wait to change the curriculum and on and on.

My flip of the rule? Ok, culture is on the table in math. Cool.

Statistics show that children who grow up in households with a single mother are likely to face poverty, increased incidence of crime, poorer health, and lower academic attainment. If 70% of black children are born to single mothers and there were 500,000 black children born in the U.S. in 2011, how many children are in danger of suffering from the negative impacts of broken homes?

Just math right? Just numbers. I made up the number born but I can support my work on the rest of that question. It's the truth and it delivers a social message that gets us to positive results. Don't have kids outside of marriage and life goes better. Throw questions like that into the curriculum and force them back to the table. You want to put social messages in math, cool, here are our contributions to the text. If you aren't cool with that, then let's take a look at what you got.

You don't get it back to two trains going in opposite directions unless you are willing to force them to live by their rules.
That math problem right there is “education”…or just the facts.
 
So he's relevant?

Tell that to all the cons on here who cry when Trump's name is brought up in response to a post on how stupid the current president is acting, and who are blind to the fact that his sway in the party is YUGE.

he was a total train wreck and screw up. And nearly governor
 
That's blatantly false. DeSantis is rude, whether it's passing the anti gay bill or whatever it is during gay pride month or flying a flag for Rush it's incendiary. He trolls and pokes the bear. I agree with him on culture and politics, but that's not the point
How is he rude? In what way is he rude?
 
Think of the posters in our little WC community: circlejoe, cosmic, hickory, zeke, butheremails, tmp, dr. hoops, outside shooter, on and on and on. I HATE them on here. HATE! But I suspect everyone of them are very good people that if you engaged them in the "real world" they'd be IU fans you'd enjoy sharing their company. What good does it do to antagonize them? It's only that you prefer "our sides" view of culture. We need moderation more than ever before, and DeSantis isn't it. He will only antagonize and incite
Saw your emoji...How do you rationalize with these types of people murt? Explain that one. You can't unless you act like you are taking their side and then you become a hypocrite and a liar. You can't please everyone all the time. Take a stance and be what you are. I'm tired of offended people. Mean tweets? Those a$$holes can f*ck off. The truth hurts. People cannot deal with the truth. Why do you think churches are huge and full because the preacher tells them about hell fire and damnation? They don't preach the truth anymore. Tell the truth and be honest with your stance. Who cares if people get offended over it.
 
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Does that mean it shouldn’t have to follow state and local regs like other businesses? Disney World isn’t going anywhere, everyone knows that.
More likely they'd look at regional parks where they could get new tax breaks and begin to draw down their Orlando operation.
 
Saw your emoji...How do you rationalize with these types of people murt? Explain that one. You can't unless you act like you are taking their side and then you become a hypocrite and a liar. You can't please everyone all the time. Take a stance and be what you are. I'm tired of offended people. Mean tweets? Those a$$holes can f*ck off. The truth hurts. People cannot deal with the truth. Why do you think churches are huge and full because the preacher tells them about hell fire and damnation? They don't preach the truth anymore. Tell the truth and be honest with your stance. Who cares if people get offended over it.
Actually, and I could be wrong, I thought I read somewhere that the hellfire and damnation churches are the ones that are really flourishing, while mainstream churches, who adopt a more conciliatory tone, are the ones that are struggling with attendance.
 
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Biden is a disaster. He has been in government since God made dirt and he has no accomplishments. He lies about everything he has done--because he has never done anything remarkable.. He even lies about how his wife was killed. Now he is senile on top of his well below average smarts.

Trump is only a disaster specific terms. He can't take a punch without going petty. He even came down on Club for Growth because he took offense at it disagreeing with his Vance endorsement. On the other hand, Trump is highly effective. He was effective in private life an he was as POTUS. He gave us a Hall of Fame quality border policy that Biden shitcanned in days. He have us Hall of Fame quality Energy policy that Biden shitcanned in hours. The list goes on. Trump was many negative things, but I wouldn't call him a disaster.

DeSantis is neither of those. DeSantis is mounting a resistance to LBGTQ+ nonsense for kids, he is mounting a resistance to Social Justice nonsense, he is mounting a defense to Climate Change nonsense, the list goes on there too. I don't mind if is rude about that stuff. As you know, I was all in on Romney for years, I finally broke with him when he called people treasonous. But even when I supported him, I thought he wasn't rude enough during the 2012 campaign. There are times and places when rudeness is called for. DeSantis might overplay it some, but not by a lot.
If you guys want to nominate DeSantis and have a campaign about school curriculum, social justice, and climate change, please do. As long as he agrees to accept the eventual loss.
 
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Actually, and I could be wrong, I think I read that the hellfire and damnation churches are the ones that are really flourishing, while mainstream churches, who adopt a more conciliatory tone, are the ones that are struggling with attendance.
I don't know of any hellfire damnation churches anymore. I don't even know of if they preach out of a KJV. Most take a verse or a couple and turn it into a social gathering of joy and glee. OR worse yet don't think Marxism is in churches? Its rampant. https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/
 
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Will never happen. That said i couldn't care less if Disney went under. They've gotten obscene with their prices. You can go to Europe for less money than a Disney trip
Hey, murt (love that), let's draw this out to its most catastrophic ending. Let's say Disney says, "Fine, we're out of here, and puts up a For Sale sign on the front gates.
How would that affect DeSantis, Florida, and Orlando, in your opinion?
 
I don't know of any hellfire damnation churches anymore. I don't even know of if they preach out of a KJV. Most take a verse or a couple and turn it into a social gathering of joy and glee. OR worse yet don't think Marxism is in churches? Its rampant. https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/
Well, maybe not H/D, but fundamentalist/evangelical (not meant as a slight). Those churches are bursting at the seams, relatively speaking, right?
 
I don't know of any hellfire damnation churches anymore. I don't even know of if they preach out of a KJV. Most take a verse or a couple and turn it into a social gathering of joy and glee. OR worse yet don't think Marxism is in churches? Its rampant. https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/
Anything that is different than was taught in the first century is a perversion.
If we are all being honest about the topic
 
Guy's looking more and more like a head case.

And how much money is Florida and specifically Orange and Osceola counties going to pull in from taxes now that Disney and other companies will no longer be exempt from those taxes? I'd be pretty confident in saying that it is more than $1B over multiple years when one considers how much land Disney sits on and how much money they take in.
 
Hey, murt (love that), let's draw this out to its most catastrophic ending. Let's say Disney says, "Fine, we're out of here, and puts up a For Sale sign on the front gates.
How would that affect DeSantis, Florida, and Orlando, in your opinion?
Hey, murt (love that), let's draw this out to its most catastrophic ending. Let's say Disney says, "Fine, we're out of here, and puts up a For Sale sign on the front gates.
How would that affect DeSantis, Florida, and Orlando, in your opinion?
Murt is fantastic. It would be a massive hit to central Fla. They generate a ton of local and state tax revenue and think of all the parasitic restaurants and businesses. Hell they host massive soccer tournaments all of it. It would be devastating to central Fla. But where would they go? Where else has the infrastructure and weather
 
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I don't know of any hellfire damnation churches anymore. I don't even know of if they preach out of a KJV. Most take a verse or a couple and turn it into a social gathering of joy and glee. OR worse yet don't think Marxism is in churches? Its rampant. https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/
BTW, any group that claims to have the answer to saving the soul of all Christians, for $12.95, is horse shit. I don't remember Jesus charging admission for the Sermon on the Mount.
If they had the real answers, and aren't giving it away for free, they deserve to burn in Hell.
 
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Well, maybe not H/D, but fundamentalist/evangelical (not meant as a slight). Those churches are bursting at the seams, relatively speaking, right?
Point is bulky nobody can handle truths anymore...Nobody can handle a stance someone takes. You cannot make everyone happy all the time. Desantis is a no bullshit guy. He isn't careful not to offend because he has figured out someone is going to be offended. People that are clamoring constantly about decisions are a waste of time. NEXT. BUT BUT BUT...No buts NEXT. Desantis gets sh!t done and moves on. Productivity is a beautiful thing.
 
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Six Flags here needs to be put to rest
Most of them do. There's the opportunity. Disney operations are without equal. Maybe too much of a critical mass in Orlando, though, to try to replicate elsewhere.
 
BTW, any group that claims to have the answer to saving the soul of all Christians, for $12.95, is horse shit. I don't remember Jesus charging admission for the Sermon on the Mount.
If they had the real answers, and aren't giving it away for free, they deserve to burn in Hell.
I don't charge and I can tell you where it is and you can read it for yourself ;) Stay on topic bulky and BTW what the hell do we call the people I was asking about at the beginning of the thread? Pronouns?
 
Point is bulky nobody can handle truths anymore...Nobody can handle a stance someone takes. You cannot make everyone happy all the time. Desantis is a no bullshit guy. He isn't careful not to offend because he has figured out someone is going to be offended. People that are clamoring constantly about decisions are a waste of time. NEXT. BUT BUT BUT...No buts NEXT. Desantis gets sh!t done and moves on. Productivity is a beautiful thing.
While I love "murt", I'm not big on "bulky".

And if a Dem had the same outlook, you would not be singing his praises. It's all about how close he is to mirroring your views.
 
And how much money is Florida and specifically Orange and Osceola counties going to pull in from taxes now that Disney and other companies will no longer be exempt from those taxes? I'd be pretty confident in saying that it is more than $1B over multiple years when one considers how much land Disney sits on and how much money they take in.
I posted the Official Statement for one of the bond issues in question. That one is like all that I have read and approved. The Disney property escaping taxes to satisfy the bonds won’t happen. In fact, I think the opposite will be true. Disney could end up paying county taxes and bond taxes.

Some might call that Disney paying its fair share.
 
I don't charge and I can tell you where it is and you can read it for yourself ;) Stay on topic bulky and BTW what the hell do we call the people I was asking about at the beginning of the thread? Pronouns?
I have no desire to read/watch/hear any of the horse shit spewed from that site, or the people who are pushing it.
 
While I love "murt", I'm not big on "bulky".

And if a Dem had the same outlook, you would not be singing his praises. It's all about how close he is to mirroring your views.
I like em both and they suit you both well bulky...

Show me a dem with that kind of moxie. Biden says one thing...The SOTU Trump 2.0 speech...Then does another. Harris is in the clouds somewhere as evidenced by the thread I started yesterday.

I haven't seen a good dem in awhile. Maybe Gabbard, but I disagree with alot of her views. AOC and the squad? If any of them got elected they would be removed from the planet within a week. So who's left? Pete? He's in trouble I thought from taking money and rewarding his donors with contracts plus his city is a shithole.

Who would your pick be?
 
I like em both and they suit you both well bulky...

Show me a dem with that kind of moxie. Biden says one thing...The SOTU Trump 2.0 speech...Then does another. Harris is in the clouds somewhere as evidenced by the thread I started yesterday.

I haven't seen a good dem in awhile. Maybe Gabbard, but I disagree with alot of her views. AOC and the squad? If any of them got elected they would be removed from the planet within a week. So who's left? Pete? He's in trouble I thought from taking money and rewarding his donors with contracts plus his city is a shithole.

Who would your pick be?
Here's the thing, WTF...I am willing, and have, voted for both Libs and Cons. We have a long way to go until 2024, so who knows who will do what, or who will even be alive. I can say, with absolute certainty, though, I will not vote for DJT, regardless of his running mate.
 
"If Disney's duty was to their shareholders, they would STFU about this stuff." No you just disagree with the message. That doesn't bear on their duty. Their duty is always to the shareholders. Shareholders delegate power to shitcan the CEO to the board. If the shareholders don't like what's going on they have remedies. Gov isn't it.

You and i are aligned in our views; where i deviate from you is in the role of gov and influence on corporations. Corporations can do what they like. If Adidas wants to promote trans athletes that's their right; just as it's mine to buy Umbro instead. I want companies to do what they want and I want gov to stay out of our lives
When Disney wants to lend its corporate name to a cause in opposition to duly and democratically enacted statutes, it may do so. But Disney doesn’t have immunity from a second look at the sweetheart deal Walt worked out with state government decades ago. And if Disney has quasi-governmental authority over its own affairs, it might be prohibited from engaging in certain kinds of political activities.
 
Here's the thing, WTF...I am willing, and have, voted for both Libs and Cons. We have a long way to go until 2024, so who knows who will do what, or who will even be alive. I can say, with absolute certainty, though, I will not vote for DJT, regardless of his running mate.
Hahahaha...I get it. Trump would have to change and he ain't going too. And yes when he got elected I was thrilled, but knew he would have to get ahold of his ego. He's like the top sales guy walking around with a don't f*ck with me tude. Ya can't do that. AND its not a me, me, me, I, I, I, show. Its a we, as in all the people behind him who make sh!t happen as a team. Desantis carries himself much better. The dem party needs help and cannot continue down these climate paths, no cops, no guns, no border sh!t. BUT give me your pick.
 
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