Desantis cost Florida a billion dollars to get even with Disney

[IUCrazy2]

Crazy,that portion is true of both parties. Most only care about being reelected, enhancing their power and bloviating when on camera.

True. Then again, can you give me the conservative version of the Affordable Care Act that has been passed by the GOP in the last 43 years? Not exactly what the left wanted but it was at least a bone to the left. They were one guy away from the Green New Deal. The GOP does not attempt that in a similar position. They wouldn't put something like cutting the Dept. Of Ed with similar numbers.

I got tax cuts. That's the big thing I can think of from Reagan forward. Tax cuts and the Bush surveillance state.

 

[mcmurtry66]

So what, we win an election, then what? I don't consider winning an election to be winning anything. Something has to come from those elected people. I would suggest that the party we elect is terrified to do anything. So we aren't winning, we are just changing the warden at the prison.

Say a Romney type gets elected or a Holcomb. You think they are changing any of the stuff I have mentioned or do hou think they will be afraid of the -ist and -phobe label so will move to something a little more palatable like taxes? You and I both know the answer to that. You think they work on the border or does that -ist thing come into play again? Immigration reform? Lol.

The GOP is supposedly for small government. When have they ever reduced its size in your lifetime? They have had the opportunity. They are chickenshits whose sole purpose has been to win elections and their focus on that means that nothing else gets done. They are opposed to wielding the power of the thing they seek to control and they are opposed to reducing its power when in control and therefore they lose and lose and lose. The only thing elections do is adjust the speed at which they lose.

The Romney crowd are like dinosaurs. Those days are over. I think both sides will continue to see more populist and activist types. The self interest probably won't ever go away. As evil as Trump was Cheney and Kinzinger make my skin crawl more than any politicians in Washington

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

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So, is he the governor? No?
That's my point.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Yes people are moving to Fla in droves. Hopefully they won't vote in kind with the blue state taxes and policies they left behind.

I hate all the woke shit but Desantis' war against it just adds fuel to the fire imo. He's the opposite side of it, and not in a good way.

The Disney issue isn't spawned by anything other than retaliation to wokeness. The good of Fla residents had nothing to do with it. It's pandering.

I would vote for DeSantis but he's not what the country needs. He'll just incite other groups. I'm hoping someone better emerges

He's exactly what the country needs.

 

[IUCrazy2]

The Romney crowd are like dinosaurs. Those days are over. I think both sides will continue to see more populist and activist types. The self interest probably won't ever go away. As evil as Trump was Cheney and Kinzinger make my skin crawl more than any politicians in Washington

You don't have to act like Trump to get things done. Desantis is a fighter but he isn't rude about it. And I am not even looking for the verbal fight, that is the window dressing. I want the results.

The biggest shot across the bow would be to dismantle the federal DOE. Don't even say anything. Just poof it away. Most of the dipshittery in schools comes down from them. Reduce government and strike a blow in the culture fight. No mean words. Just we don't need this, it is redundant, it is gone.

 

[IUclover]

He's exactly what the country needs.

A radical authoritarian, cancel culturalist?

 

[mcmurtry66]

He's exactly what the country needs.

Think of the posters in our little WC community: circlejoe, cosmic, hickory, zeke, butheremails, tmp, dr. hoops, outside shooter, on and on and on. I HATE them on here. HATE! But I suspect everyone of them are very good people that if you engaged them in the "real world" they'd be IU fans you'd enjoy sharing their company. What good does it do to antagonize them? It's only that you prefer "our sides" view of culture. We need moderation more than ever before, and DeSantis isn't it. He will only antagonize and incite

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Where have we won anywhere Bulk? We are helpless, huddling whiners.

What conservative messages do you feel are spread through entertainment media? Name me 10 openly conservative actors without googling. 10 openly conservative singers without googling. I can give you dozens for each on the other side. Name a movie that is blatantly conservative and isn't some independent film.

Show me public schools where the teachers are lining up to push traditional values on sexuality, civics, government, etc. I provide you all with examples all the time where that isn't the case. Should be easy to come up with a conservative teachers union movement similar to the NEA who fight for the opposite things.

We "fought" on abortion but you can still get it everywhere. In the time it took us to get to a point where you could discuss any types of restrictions (50 damn years) the left marched through everything up to the point of men playing women's sports and is changing our language so that we cannot even use the normal pronouns that have been in the English language for centuries anymore.

Conservatives e times more likely to be banned or shut up on Twitter. Corporations got Pence to back off of RFRA by forcing people to leave. I don't feel I can have some of the discussions we have on this board with my actual name attached because it is likely to get me fired. Do you feel you have to downplay your politics around people?

We haven't won shit. We whine and we complain that things are going the way they are but we never do anything but whine and complain about it. And the GOP gets in office and they just don't have the votes to get stuff through...never can do it. Never seems to stop the Democrats. 1 guy. 1 guy stopped a 50/50 Senate from completely overhauling our economy and probably knowingly getting wrecked for it in the next election. Democrats always move the ball. Their activists always move the ball. Consequences be damned. They just shout down and harass opposition out of existence. And they usually have the government, media, news, etc. to help. Someone gets to uppity, you sick Taylor Lorenz on them to shut them up.

There are things the Democrats fund through government that is just finding their leftist activists. They take over organizations and then those organizations become part of the Borg.

I will make this more simple. Conservatives have said they were for smaller government since basically when everyone on this board has been alive. Government has never shrunk in any of our lifetimes. The GOP is a coward party who is more worried about what happens at DC wine parties then they are in winning. The proof is in the pudding.

Lots here I can concede...mostly in the cultural war area, which admittedly I may have been over my skis on.

However, no conservative singers? Really? That was a bad example to lead off with...do you not have CMT on your cable provider?

But, much of what you bemoan, is sometimes the consequences of making sure that other victims of these wars aren't trampled under by those who want to totally disenfranchise certain portions of the population (see FTW calling gay people "freaks").

 

[mcmurtry66]

You don't have to act like Trump to get things done. Desantis is a fighter but he isn't rude about it. And I am not even looking for the verbal fight, that is the window dressing. I want the results.

The biggest shot across the bow would be to dismantle the federal DOE. Don't even say anything. Just poof it away. Most of the dipshittery in schools comes down from them. Reduce government and strike a blow in the culture fight. No mean words. Just we don't need this, it is redundant, it is gone.

That's blatantly false. DeSantis is rude, whether it's passing the anti gay bill or whatever it is during gay pride month or flying a flag for Rush it's incendiary. He trolls and pokes the bear. I agree with him on culture and politics, but that's not the point

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

So, is he the governor? No?
That's my point.

He almost was dude.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Think of the posters in our little WC community: circlejoe, cosmic, hickory, zeke, butheremails, tmp, dr. hoops, outside shooter, on and on and on. I HATE them on here. HATE! But I suspect everyone of them are very good people that if you engaged them in the "real world" they'd be IU fans you'd enjoy sharing their company. What good does it do to antagonize them? It's only that you prefer "our sides" view of culture. We need moderation more than ever before, and DeSantis isn't it. He will only antagonize and incite

Again, that only works IF they do the same. The other side was, is, and is likely to always be more than willing to antagonize my "side" under the rules you present. Under those rules they have zero reason to also disengage.

I am more than willing to live and let live but that is the polar opposite of Progressives. It is literally antithetical to how they operate. So again, you either push back or you accept that whatever direction they want to go is where you are going to go.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

For sure. And it's happening. People are voting with their feet. Keep local local.

I don't know how to describe it but I've spent my entire adult life dealing with the public. I genuinely feel like I can read people. DeSantis seems mean. Like he has a nasty mean streak. And he's too paternalistic. Can you imagine him as prez with the progressive caucus. It would be endless low blow bickering.

We need to get rid of Biden. He has to be among the worst first year presidents in history. He's just an unmitigated disaster. And he's still trying to spend. Wtf. Harris shouldn't run a community parade. She's a nonstarter.

Then get someone moderate, Republican or Dem, with a measured approach who will let local govern itself and turn the country's volume down. Politicians need to get out of the culture business. That's my soapbox

The Democrats are into the "culture business" big-time. They won't leave the rest of us alone. That is obvious. The Republicans don't need a milk-toast candidate.

 

[mcmurtry66]

He almost was dude.

In fairness who hasn't woken up to a room like that in Miami Beach. People who live in glass houses....

 

[mushroomgod_1]

So, when did you join the Squad?

He's Hamlet....just pick a side.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Again, that only works IF they do the same. The other side was, is, and is likely to always be more than willing to antagonize my "side" under the rules you present. Under those rules they have zero reason to also disengage.

I am more than willing to live and let live but that is the polar opposite of Progressives. It is literally antithetical to how they operate. So again, you either push back or you accept that whatever direction they want to go is where you are going to go.

You keep writing rules. What rules?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

In fairness who hasn't woken up to a room like that in Miami Beach. People who live in glass houses....

I guess I just lead a boring life

 

[mcmurtry66]

The Democrats are into the "culture business" big-time. They won't leave the rest of us alone. That is obvious. The Republicans don't need a milk-toast candidate.

Okay well you don't help our team with "milk-toast."
milquetoast

 

[mushroomgod_1]

You sure are back and forth on the guy.

Look man F*ck Disney. It's about time someone stuck it up their a$$. The heads of the company coming out saying they are gonna make movies and add lgtbq freaks as characters? Another says they have secretly added crap behind the scenes for years. Desantis has them by the balls. What are they gonna do move their empire? It totally cracks me up to see the Colorado gov (idiot btw, I know restaurant owners that lost their businesses due to his over reach) come out and offer a deal. If Disney did move, someone else would grab that property and make something bigger and better without the mice and their pronouns. I applaud Desantis, again we do not need this hideous support for freaks that cannot figure out what sex they are!

And..............the "special status" goes away in one year. That's one year to make any necessary deals.

 

[IUINSB]

The Democrats are into the "culture business" big-time. They won't leave the rest of us alone. That is obvious. The Republicans don't need a milk-toast candidate.

Both Dems and Reps need candidates that will tell the fringes on either end of the spectrum to PISS OFF.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Both Dems and Reps need candidates that will tell the fringes on either end of the spectrum to PISS OFF.

Exactly

 

[mcmurtry66]

Both Dems and Reps need candidates that will tell the fringes on either end of the spectrum to PISS OFF.

The million dollar question is whether the fringes constitute more people than we realize

 

[IUCrazy2]

You keep writing rules. What rules?

Ok, an example from the thread I posted about adding cultural or politically left leaning items in math textbooks. The rules are that we don't do that. You can hop into that thread and the usual "I don't see nuthin'" people are chiming in. The rules would normally be that we bitch and moan about this and we say this isn't right and we need to win a school board election and then wait to change the curriculum and on and on.

My flip of the rule? Ok, culture is on the table in math. Cool.

Statistics show that children who grow up in households with a single mother are likely to face poverty, increased incidence of crime, poorer health, and lower academic attainment. If 70% of black children are born to single mothers and there were 500,000 black children born in the U.S. in 2011, how many children are in danger of suffering from the negative impacts of broken homes?

Just math right? Just numbers. I made up the number born but I can support my work on the rest of that question. It's the truth and it delivers a social message that gets us to positive results. Don't have kids outside of marriage and life goes better. Throw questions like that into the curriculum and force them back to the table. You want to put social messages in math, cool, here are our contributions to the text. If you aren't cool with that, then let's take a look at what you got.

You don't get it back to two trains going in opposite directions unless you are willing to force them to live by their rules.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

You don't have to act like Trump to get things done. Desantis is a fighter but he isn't rude about it. And I am not even looking for the verbal fight, that is the window dressing. I want the results.

The biggest shot across the bow would be to dismantle the federal DOE. Don't even say anything. Just poof it away. Most of the dipshittery in schools comes down from them. Reduce government and strike a blow in the culture fight. No mean words. Just we don't need this, it is redundant, it is gone.

I think the only realistic way to shrink the federal govt is to reduce the budget by a certain % (inflation-adjusted) for every agency, and put good people in charge (administrators, not politicians) to effect the change.

That is, say to DofD, Education, Transportation et al...we're lowering the budget by 1% inflation-adjusted for the next fiscal year, give me a plan in 90 days as to what you're going to cut.

It has to be universal to all agencies to avoid the political bs.

Also add 1 year to the SS full-retirement age 5 years out.

 

[IUCrazy2]

I think the only realistic way to shrink the federal govt is to reduce the budget by a certain % (inflation-adjusted) for every agency, and put good people in charge (administrators, not politicians) to effect the change.

That is, say to DofD, Education, Transportation et al...we're lowering the budget by 1% inflation-adjusted for the next fiscal year, give me a plan in 90 days as to what you're going to cut.

It has to be universal to all agencies to avoid the political bs.

Also add 1 year to the SS full-retirement age 5 years out.

That's fine, I am open to ideas. There is more than one way to do it. My main problem is that it is never attempted. Republicans always operate in the theoretical and outside of taxes and bombing people, they never seem to bring the theoretical into reality.

The left tells you what they want to do and sets about trying to do it, everywhere.

The right tells you what they want to do and then gives all the excuses on why they can't.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

That's blatantly false. DeSantis is rude, whether it's passing the anti gay bill or whatever it is during gay pride month or flying a flag for Rush it's incendiary. He trolls and pokes the bear. I agree with him on culture and politics, but that's not the point

He needs to be more mature, I agree. But he’s been right on virtually everything - which is not true of Trump.

DeSantis needs to grow the hell up if he wants my vote.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Ok, an example from the thread I posted about adding cultural or politically left leaning items in math textbooks. The rules are that we don't do that. You can hop into that thread and the usual "I don't see nuthin'" people are chiming in. The rules would normally be that we bitch and moan about this and we say this isn't right and we need to win a school board election and then wait to change the curriculum and on and on.

My flip of the rule? Ok, culture is on the table in math. Cool.

Statistics show that children who grow up in households with a single mother are likely to face poverty, increased incidence of crime, poorer health, and lower academic attainment. If 70% of black children are born to single mothers and there were 500,000 black children born in the U.S. in 2011, how many children are in danger of suffering from the negative impacts of broken homes?

Just math right? Just numbers. I made up the number born but I can support my work on the rest of that question. It's the truth and it delivers a social message that gets us to positive results. Don't have kids outside of marriage and life goes better. Throw questions like that into the curriculum and force them back to the table. You want to put social messages in math, cool, here are our contributions to the text. If you aren't cool with that, then let's take a look at what you got.

You don't get it back to two trains going in opposite directions unless you are willing to force them to live by their rules.

Agree 100%......we shouldn't have to be enacting defensive laws against the woke bs, but crap like the pronoun police, bio males in women's sports, and chemical sex change for minors is happening everywhere. It's not a sufficient answer to refuse to fight the culture war. Bring it on, as there are sane people than there are crazies.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

He almost was dude.

So he's relevant?

Tell that to all the cons on here who cry when Trump's name is brought up in response to a post on how stupid the current president is acting, and who are blind to the fact that his sway in the party is YUGE.

 

[larsIU]

The million dollar question is whether the fringes constitute more people than we realize

they constitute enough to f*ck up primaries.

That's enough.

 

[Indianaftw]

A radical authoritarian, cancel culturalist?

What makes him authoritarian? Cancelling K-3 lgtbqia# promotion? Whitmer is authoritarian along with several others that stripped us of our freedoms. Desantis fought FOR those freedoms.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

That's fine, I am open to ideas. There is more than one way to do it. My main problem is that it is never attempted. Republicans always operate in the theoretical and outside of taxes and bombing people, they never seem to bring the theoretical into reality.

The left tells you what they want to do and sets about trying to do it, everywhere.

The right tells you what they want to do and then gives all the excuses on why they can't.

Yes........because essentially the "right" lacks passion. That's why the fact that the country as a whole is center-right hasn't mean all that much as a practical matter The wokester crazies are the aggressors, they demand power & submission; the middle-right is more passive/aggressive. They only respond if they get sufficiently pushed and pissed.

It's similar to what's going on with Islam. 90% are fundamentalist crazy but the 10% that are push the narrative be cause they have the passion. The will to power. Did you ever read Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer"? If not, you might want to look at it. An easy, but great work. It should be required reading for the board's leftists.

 

[Indianaftw]

Think of the posters in our little WC community: circlejoe, cosmic, hickory, zeke, butheremails, tmp, dr. hoops, outside shooter, on and on and on. I HATE them on here. HATE! But I suspect everyone of them are very good people that if you engaged them in the "real world" they'd be IU fans you'd enjoy sharing their company. What good does it do to antagonize them? It's only that you prefer "our sides" view of culture. We need moderation more than ever before, and DeSantis isn't it. He will only antagonize and incite

Disagree

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Think of the posters in our little WC community: circlejoe, cosmic, hickory, zeke, butheremails, tmp, dr. hoops, outside shooter, on and on and on. I HATE them on here. HATE! But I suspect everyone of them are very good people that if you engaged them in the "real world" they'd be IU fans you'd enjoy sharing their company. What good does it do to antagonize them? It's only that you prefer "our sides" view of culture. We need moderation more than ever before, and DeSantis isn't it. He will only antagonize and incite

Nope. I've seen enough limp-wristed Republicans to last a lifetime.

 

[mcmurtry66]

they constitute enough to f*ck up primaries.

That's enough.

The left, the far left, thinks they got some kind of goofy cultural mandate this last election. It's proven illusory. November is coming, and that'll turn down the volume on all of the insanity, and reataliatory insanity. But we have to get to Nov. And that's a long way off. First we need to get through this Johnny Depp mess. Get this trial behind us and we can regroup

 

[IUCrazy2]

He needs to be more mature, I agree. But he’s been right on virtually everything - which is not true of Trump.

DeSantis needs to grow the hell up if he wants my vote.

You guys are going to have to be specific, what is he doing that is rude? What is he doing that is different from the temperament that Biden has (a guy we were told was going back to the norm that Trump broke)?

When I talk about the "rules", this is what I mean. The "rules" say that a Republican cannot say stern things about the opposition that they may take personally...but "put em back in chains" "you ain't black" Biden and "typical white folks" Obama are "the adults".

So they can call you racist, sexist, homophobic, granny murdering, monkey (Bush) war criminals and not bat an eye but we have to watch all that groomer and CRT talk. They can talk about bringing a knife to the fight and getting in people's faces in restaurants and not bat an eye, but man it was really mean of you to sign that bill on that made up day for the made up month they claimed for themselves.

And you know what, being a bit rude works. Some people want that because some people feel quite a bit of that rudeness directed at them in the culture at large which is mostly run by the people they want to beat at the ballot box. I am normally with you guys but the past decade or so has me spoiling for a fight. I think it is necessary to reset the equilibrium.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

You guys are going to have to be specific, what is he doing that is rude? What is he doing that is different from the temperament that Biden has (a guy we were told was going back to the norm that Trump broke)?

When I talk about the "rules", this is what I mean. The "rules" say that a Republican cannot say stern things about the opposition that they may take personally...but "put em back in chains" "you ain't black" Biden and "typical white folks" Obama are "the adults".

So they can call you racist, sexist, homophobic, granny murdering, monkey (Bush) war criminals and not bat an eye but we have to watch all that groomer and CRT talk. They can talk about bringing a knife to the fight and getting in people's faces in restaurants and not bat an eye, but man it was really mean of you to sign that bill on that made up day for the made up month they claimed for themselves.

And you know what, being a bit rude works. Some people want that because some people feel quite a bit of that rudeness directed at them in the culture at large which is mostly run by the people they want to beat at the ballot box. I am normally with you guys but the past decade or so has me spoiling for a fight. I think it is necessary to reset the equilibrium.

We don’t need rude. We need unification. Trump is a disaster. Biden is a disaster. DeSantis is smarter than both of them combined but he’s easily baited by hostile reporters and comes off as a prick. Period.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

He needs to be more mature, I agree. But he’s been right on virtually everything - which is not true of Trump.

DeSantis needs to grow the hell up if he wants my vote.

I understand what you're saying. But there are no perfect people. Being "right on virtually everything" is huge.

A person like him will be attacked from 15 different sides and called every name in the book just because he is "right on virtually everything". We're not electing a Pope. And JC himself would have a hell of a time staying above the fray.

 

[mcmurtry66]

We don’t need rude. We need unification. Trump is a disaster. Biden is a disaster. DeSantis is smarter than both of them combined but he’s easily baited by hostile reporters and comes off as a prick. Period.

Exactly. What's more just because we agree with his politics/positions doesn't justify the controlling behavior. I don't want Fauci telling me what I can or can't do. By the same token I don't want DeSantis telling a private business owner what he can or can't do. If he wants masks at his restaurant that should be his right. If employees don't like it work somewhere else. And I htink masks are nonsense theatre

 

[IUCrazy2]

We don’t need rude. We need unification. Trump is a disaster. Biden is a disaster. DeSantis is smarter than both of them combined but he’s easily baited by hostile reporters and comes off as a prick. Period.

And? He is a prick because they get what they put in.

You will get unity with good policy that the majority of the country can get behind. Things like not teaching sexual content to kids under the age of 10. Things like controlling the border. Things like looking to be a bit more "America First" when looking to work with corporations when it comes to job creation.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Again, that only works IF they do the same. The other side was, is, and is likely to always be more than willing to antagonize my "side" under the rules you present. Under those rules they have zero reason to also disengage.

I am more than willing to live and let live but that is the polar opposite of Progressives. It is literally antithetical to how they operate. So again, you either push back or you accept that whatever direction they want to go is where you are going to go.

The pronoun business is a great example.

If some person wants to be referred to as "they"......ok, weird as hell but whatever.......and you can ask me to call you "they". I won't, but I don't mind you asking. And I won't criticize your weirdness. But that's not enough. Kids are now being instructed by their teachers to use the another's preferred pronoun at risk of punishment for refusal. That is not acceptable. If you want to be called "they" change you first or last name to They and we're good to go.

 

[mcmurtry66]

The pronoun business is a great example.

If some person wants to be referred to as "they"......ok, weird as hell but whatever.......and you can ask me to call you "they". I won't, but I don't mind you asking. And I won't criticize your weirdness. But that's not enough. Kids are now being instructed by their teachers to use the preferred another's preferred pronoun at risk of punishment for refusal That is not acceptable.

You would prefer DeSantis to Trump?