You once again linked a lying and/or stupid Trumpster Twitter Twit. They’ve interfered in every election since 2016 and it’s been known and reported. Heaviest focus has been in Presidential years and they wanted/want Trump to win.
Democrats BEST course of action...
- Thread starter IUNorth
- Start date
. . . AND since at least 2016, Russians have been promoting anti-Trump messaging:
Here Are the Memes that Russian Operatives Shared to Influence 2016
See the photos Russian-backed groups spread intended to stoke tension
"We found that the accounts’ ability to spread political images varied by the social network. For instance, Russian-sponsored tweets about both parties were equally influential on Twitter, but on Gab their influence was mainly on spreading images of Democratic politicians. On Reddit, by contrast, the troll accounts were more influential at spreading images about Republican politicians."
Last edited:
I'd read elsewhere that the majority of the $100k spend targeted BLM supporters and Pokemon Go fans.. . . AND since at least 2016, Russians have been promoting anti-Trump messaging:
Here Are the Memes that Russian Operatives Shared to Influence 2016
See the photos Russian-backed groups spread intended to stoke tensiontime.com
Edited to Add
Facebook: Russian group spent $100,000 on ads during 2016 election
"Fake news" was one of the biggest buzzwords surrounding the hotly contested 2016 presidential election, with lots of attention focusing on Facebook's role as a platform for distributing misleading stories. After some reluctance, Facebook has slowly but surely taken steps to keep fake news...
www.engadget.com
Not what I read, but same info presented.
Last edited:
Per the US Senate intelligence briefing, Russians have been using social media to increase racial strife and distrust in the police and our institutions since at least 2010. They’ve amplified and created campaigns for and against BLM.
They want the US to implode through its inherent weaknesses of being a democratic state and also multi-ethnic and multi-cultural.
Was Pokémon go where they were hidden. We bought an 8 ball on a street corner in nyc (only time ever) and went out that night bombed and in the nightclubs we were going to youd see people in their regular drunk club wear trying to find Pokémon. I was so fckd up I didn’t know what was happening.
That's one way to look at it.
But I just think that internet trolls -- whether they're foreign plants or just ordinary numbskulls -- ultimately have little if any impact on political behavior in the form of voting. Yeah, there are memes that go viral. Some of them are clearly based on lies and misinformation -- and I don't doubt that at least some of that is deliberate psy-op. But how many minds are being changed?
That's why I see all this as being of a kind with voter fraud. Does it go on? Of course. It always has and always will. Is it rampant to the point where a case could be made that it's affecting election outcomes? I seriously doubt that. But that doesn't stop many people from believing that it does.
There is certainly an enormous struggle going on behind the scenes, with pressure to keep it low visibility during NATO. I think we’ll know more next week about whether there’s a serious push against Biden.
I can't wait to see cabinet secretaries ranked by deflections.
For Press Secretaries that might not be a bad metric.
I think they found that the total impressions on Russian backed Facebook pages during the 2016 election was equivalent to like one day of engagement on Ben Shapiro’s Facebook page.
Russian troll farms is another overblown piece of propaganda.
Biden is the Democratic nominee because of fraud on an unprecedented scale.
Yep they tried to pull a slow one. But they got caught. Dream Team smoked that shit out so long ago. Far lefties crying his decline is exaggerated same as trump blah blah blah. Trust your eyes
I was talking about voter fraud -- such as that alleged by Trump, etal as being the reason Biden won the 2020 election.
The Democrats don’t give a rip about Biden’s cognitive issues. They want him out because of the polling data.
One of Jack Smith’s garbage indictments is charging Trump with a felony for violating voter rights by lying to them.
Ehhhh I think the bench is pretty light with the names popping up most Newsom and Harris. I suspect they’d prefer a performing Biden. Their little scheme of keeping him in the basement got derailed with the misstep of agreeing to debate and perhaps a decline that went into 5th gear
Im not saying the Democrats are smart about this. But I think they think they have nothing to lose by kicking Biden to the curb.
That is a stupid charge (if that's what the charge is--can you link that one?).
Follow the imbeds.
Trump Has Been Charged With Violating Law Enacted to Combat Ku Klux Klan
The KKK Act was enacted as the U.S. was facing a slate of violence against Black communities by white supremacists.
truthout.org
Yeah, that's a reach.Follow the imbeds.
Trump Has Been Charged With Violating Law Enacted to Combat Ku Klux Klan
The KKK Act was enacted as the U.S. was facing a slate of violence against Black communities by white supremacists.
Who do you think wrote Clooney’s op ed? Had to be Obama, Clinton’s, or maybe Harris (with help).
Interesting you’d think that when none of the investigations found that. That includes the Republican-led Senate Committee investigation report. Russian election influence for Trump in 2016 was extensive and may have been successful.
Here's What We Know So Far About Russia's 2016 Meddling
It included hacking, spreading propaganda on social media and even staging rallies.
Fraud? You’re just pulling stuff out of your ass.
We have two unfit candidates for president of the United States. Let’s start with Biden. First, he’s not the nominee. This is probably news to you, but a majority of Dems and Independents want him to step aside. Many Democratic members of Congress have publicly stated he should drop out of the race, and the list grows longer by the day. He’s not going to make it to the convention.
Now let’s consider your twice-impeached, four times indicted, criminally convicted, patron of political violence, supporter of cop-beaters, election denier, adjudicated-rapist candidate. Where’s the party pushback against his candidacy? Answer: there isn’t any. Disgraceful.
“It is a national tragedy that the Republicans have failed to have a similar debate about the manifest moral and temperamental unfitness of their standard-bearer, instead setting aside their longstanding values, closing ranks and choosing to overlook what those who worked most closely with the former president have described as his systematic dishonesty, corruption and incompetence.”
If I were you I wouldn’t be too worried about the Democrats’ nominating process. Instead, you should be concerned about the destructive malignancy within your own party named Donald Trump.
Only total dupes and/or morons believe that at this point. Trump’s campaign hired Ken Block, a voter data expert, to investigate for voter fraud. Like every other expert, he found no evidence of voter fraud that could have changed the results of the election. Trump has admitted he lost to many of his staff and advisors, but continues the lie because he knows it works with the dupes within his base. He says it, they unquestionably believe it, and they have another grievance to motivate them.
Last edited:
Not the nominee? The delegates bound to Biden by DNC rules are enough to nominate him. Worse, the Biden- led DNC, rigged the primaries for him. They knew.. They hid it. Fraud.
Trump? Won an open contended primary battle. That’s called democracy.
I agree.
And my overall point is that the people who have bought into the notion that Russian meddling had something to do with Trump's victory in 2016 (or, preemptively, in a potential victory this year) are of a kind with the loony dupes who bought into Trump's lie that Biden won because of voter fraud.
Saying "Well, there is evidence of Russian interference" is fine. There's also evidence of voter fraud. Do both things happen? Sure, I have no issues with saying both of these things happen. But a person crosses an important line when they go from making those anodyne observations to any kind of suggestion or implication that these things have been determinative in election outcomes.
The crux of my post was that influential Dems are pushing back hard against Biden's candidacy while Pubs continue to enable (and next week will adulate) their Felon-Nominee.
But, with respect to a bet, how about this? I say the Dems' convention ends with someone other than Biden as the nominee. You say Biden is formally nominated in Chicago. No money, no odds, straight up. Loser doesn't post on the WC for thirty days beginning August 23.
I'm busy today and won't be on the Cooler. I'm sure you're busy as well, probably headed off to federal court or faced with a deadline for filing a brief.
Let me know by the weekend whether you're game.OK.
And, yet, I was still talking about voter fraud such as that falsely claimed by Trump and millions of his lemmings as having been rampant and decisive in the 2020 election.
The crux of my post was that influential Dems are pushing back hard against Biden's candidacy while Pubs continue to enable (and next week will adulate) their Felon-Nominee.
But, with respect to a bet, how about this? I say the Dems' convention ends with someone other than Biden as the nominee. You say Biden is formally nominated in Chicago. No money, no odds, straight up. Loser doesn't post on the WC for thirty days beginning August 23.
I'm busy today and won't be on the Cooler. I'm sure you're busy as well, probably headed off to federal court or faced with a deadline for filing a brief.
You do realize that the reason they're pushing back on Biden's nomination is that they're afraid he'll lose, right?
If you believe that has to do with some kind of principled stand, you're naive.
Quantifying the effect of Russian election interference is the difficult thing to do. Impossible, really. That there was extensive influence is well known via numerous investigations. None can say it was a deciding factor in favor of Trump. Opinions either way are supported, but they’re opinions, not facts.
198 house democrats voted against the bill requiring proof of citizenship to register in federal elections. The Democrats oppose every measure to protect elections from fraudsters. I’ve always believed that people will take advantage of loopholes to commit election fraud.
It doesn’t take “wide spread” fraud to affect an election. It only requires a handful of people in a few deep blue cities.
This isn’t to say there is fraud. But it is to say, the democrats oppose all measures to limit fraud.
Those were 198 votes I strongly disagree with. As you well know, I’ve long strongly opposed all voter fraud, argued for voter IDs, only allowing eligible voters vote, scrutinization and purging voter rolls of all ineligible voters, etc.
There was voter fraud in 2020, by Republicans and Democrats, as there unfortunately is in every election. However every expert and investigation into 2020 has said that there was no fraud significant enough to alter the results. That’s the point, and believing otherwise now is an indelible mark of a dupe. Trump doesn’t believe it he just lies to motivate those dupes.
But would you agree that this has been the implication? I mean, many people very much have flat out said that Russia got Trump elected. But even those who have stopped short of saying it have implied it -- or, at best, not pushed back on it. And the whole idea behind this messaging was to delegitimize Trump's presidency, or even push him out of office.
Well, guess what Trump's motivation was in spreading his lie?
I realize people who have strong opinions one way or the other about these political personalities are going to scoff at the notion that they're like those other guys -- the other guys are nutcases.
But the people who have bought into one or the other of this pair of notions are, to me, more alike than they are different.
Last edited:
Kinda a win-win bet for you, no?The crux of my post was that influential Dems are pushing back hard against Biden's candidacy while Pubs continue to enable (and next week will adulate) their Felon-Nominee.
But, with respect to a bet, how about this? I say the Dems' convention ends with someone other than Biden as the nominee. You say Biden is formally nominated in Chicago. No money, no odds, straight up. Loser doesn't post on the WC for thirty days beginning August 23.
I'm busy today and won't be on the Cooler. I'm sure you're busy as well, probably headed off to federal court or faced with a deadline for filing a brief.
I'll take the bet even up because it will be fun and I'm not sure anyone's ever done it here. dbmhoosier wouldn't even respond to the bet I offered him. I don't care about you posting for 30 days--do what you like. But since it matters to you, I won't post for 30 days if Biden isn't the nominee coming out of the convention.
Similar threads
