I don't doubt that for a second. It's naïve to think hospitals aren't in the business of making money. Hell here for a while when you presented to the ER after a crash the hospital would refuse to run your insurance. They would instead send a lien letter. The reimbursement rate under the Hospital Lien law was greater than the reimbursement rates from the insurance companies so they'd rather wait for a crash to settle and assert their lien on the settlement proceeds than run Cigna etc.
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And payment is based on the diagnosis that is the reason for admission. Pointing to the death certificate in an audit wouldn't be acceptable.
I have no reason to believe you're lying.
mRNA vaccines have, in fact, been linked to a very low risk of myocarditis and myopericarditis, as reflected by a study that's referenced in the article I've linked below. The study included almost 5 million people who were followed after multiple doses of vaccine. At follow up, 269 people had developed myocarditis or myopericarditis.
The article concludes with the following:
"When looking at incidence rates for men and women, the researchers found that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were linked to 1.3 and 2 cases per 100,000 among women, and 1.5 and 6.3 cases per 100,000 among men, respectively. The team noted, however, that people who had received either mRNA vaccine had around half the risk of cardiac arrest or death, compared with unvaccinated individuals at follow-up."
I don't know what the odds are of three older golf buddies having heart issues in the same month, but they're probably not as low as you think. I do know that if any of these guys applied for life insurance at their age, they'd be paying a hefty premium - - based on actuarial statistics - - even if they were in good health. Older guys tend to develop health issues. In any event, and as reflected in this study, unvaccinated people are at much higher risk of cardiac arrest and death than the vaxxed. Your buds were vaxxed, and they're still among the living.
COVID-19 vaccine: What is the risk of heart inflammation?
New research assesses the risk of myocarditis and myopericarditis in people who have received COVID-19 vaccines.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
What?? Are you suggesting there are even more links? And, it looks like you weren't there for any of the important links.
Which anonymous parts of your post should we believe?
They’re all fine now or appear to be. To show where were are, the two republicans say they don’t think they will get a fourth shot and the democrat attorney says he will. Crazy that we’ve reached this point.I have no reason to believe you're lying.
mRNA vaccines have, in fact, been linked to a very low risk of myocarditis and myopericarditis, as reflected by a study that's referenced in the article I've linked below. The study included almost 5 million people who were followed after multiple doses of vaccine. At follow up, 269 people had developed myocarditis or myopericarditis.
The article concludes with the following:
"When looking at incidence rates for men and women, the researchers found that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were linked to 1.3 and 2 cases per 100,000 among women, and 1.5 and 6.3 cases per 100,000 among men, respectively. The team noted, however, that people who had received either mRNA vaccine had around half the risk of cardiac arrest or death, compared with unvaccinated individuals at follow-up."
I don't know what the odds are of three older golf buddies having heart issues in the same month, but they're probably not as low as you think. I do know that if any of these guys applied for life insurance at their age, they'd be paying a hefty premium - - based on actuarial statistics - - even if they were in good health. Older guys tend to develop health issues. In any event, and as reflected in this study, unvaccinated people are at much higher risk of cardiac arrest and death than the vaxxed. Your buds were vaxxed, and they're still among the living.
COVID-19 vaccine: What is the risk of heart inflammation?
New research assesses the risk of myocarditis and myopericarditis in people who have received COVID-19 vaccines.
But, you don't "know" it, not really, because you weren't there 24/7 and you don't have access to her health records (without violating HIPAA by disclosing their content on this board) !!
You don't know firsthand that she was 99 years old," you don't know firsthand that she "has lupus and takes hydroxy" and you don't know firsthand that "She never got it."
Why don't you post your attorney number and the numbers of any health licenses that you have (or soon will have used to have)?
Creepshow creepin. You're so gross. No one wants you to have their personal info you creepy f*uck. You're constantly trying to get it. Who knows what registries you're on. Gross f*uck
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That is fine, but that ain't the same thing as it works. Doctors are very much allowed to prescribe placebos. Here WebMD says 50% do exactly that:
Pain Management: Treatment Overview
WebMD provides an overview of treatments for chronic pain, from surgery to herbal remedies.www.webmd.com
Effect of Hydroxychloroquine or Lopinavir-Ritonavir on Hospitalization for COVID-19
This randomized clinical trial examines whether hydroxychloroquine or lopinavir-ritonavir is effective for reducing hospitalization among high-risk outpatients with early symptomatic COVID-19.jamanetwork.com
This is the same debate, 90 doctors say X does not work, conservatives are drawn like a moth to the flame to the 10. The 10 MUST be right. Even if they prescribe simply for a placebo.
Here is one study where they combined the results of 28 trials. From the opening:
We found that treatment with hydroxychloroquine is associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients, and there is no benefit of chloroquine.
Mortality outcomes with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19 from an international collaborative meta-analysis of randomized trials - Nature Communications
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have been investigated as a potential treatment for Covid-19 in several clinical trials. Here the authors report a meta-analysis of published and unpublished trials, and show that treatment with hydroxychloroquine for patients with Covid-19 was associated with...www.nature.com
Trials are ongoing with ivermectin. Maybe they find something. I have never criticized doctors who prescribe either (but I have people who buy such drugs on the black market and self medicate). A doctor has the right to prescribe even if it only is to help a patient's psyche. But even that comes with a risk. If said patient than takes more risks because they are taking a placebo, they are in greater danger.
And there lies the big problem both with placebos and most masks. It is the car problem, the safer we make cars the more dangerous people drive.
Work to eliminate or eradicate the virus, which some still claim we “missed our window”. We missed our window in Wuhan China. Does it slow down transmission, perhaps, but it’s still inevitable that just about everyone will get it eventually. Does it keep people from dying or getting as ill , probably, but then it’s back to that being a personal choice. All of the claims that it’s the fault of the unvaxxed that the virus is still around is bullshit….
You took the brown pill, it's the full of shit pill.
the much needed info the govt and health care industry absolutely refuses to give wasn't there. (or anywhere else to the citizenry apparently).
if you ever find it anywhere, let us know.
Hospitalizations, ICU numbers, Vent numbers, Deaths, all broken down by age group and vax status as well, is DESPERATELY needed info, and those controlling and redacting the flow of info absolutely refuse to give it to us, even 2 yrs in to the pandemic.
people can't make informed decisions if the aholes controlling and redacting the info necessary to make informed decisions, flat refuse to allow us to have it, despite their having it.
inexcusable behavior, and inexcusable behavior over time doesn't take place absent malevolent reasons for it.
the aholes are the scum who flat refuse to GIVE US THE F'ING INFO THAT IS NEEDED.
that said, i was unfair to Marv, (and have now edited said post accordingly), but anyone and everyone who defend or even refuse to push back against the deliberate withholding of absolutely critically needed info, is party to the crime.
it's flat inexcusable and criminal that this critically needed info is being deliberately withheld on an ongoing basis..
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I’m not an expert but I don’t think that’s true. We don’t test asymptomatic people at death for the flu virus and list it as a contributor of death if a positive result comes back, do we?
I have no reason to believe you're lying.
mRNA vaccines have, in fact, been linked to a very low risk of myocarditis and myopericarditis, as reflected by a study that's referenced in the article I've linked below. The study included almost 5 million people who were followed after multiple doses of vaccine. At follow up, 269 people had developed myocarditis or myopericarditis.
The article concludes with the following:
"When looking at incidence rates for men and women, the researchers found that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were linked to 1.3 and 2 cases per 100,000 among women, and 1.5 and 6.3 cases per 100,000 among men, respectively. The team noted, however, that people who had received either mRNA vaccine had around half the risk of cardiac arrest or death, compared with unvaccinated individuals at follow-up."
I don't know what the odds are of three older golf buddies having heart issues in the same month, but they're probably not as low as you think. I do know that if any of these guys applied for life insurance at their age, they'd be paying a hefty premium - - based on actuarial statistics - - even if they were in good health. Older guys tend to develop health issues. In any event, and as reflected in this study, unvaccinated people are at much higher risk of cardiac arrest and death than the vaxxed. Your buds were vaxxed, and they're still among the living.
COVID-19 vaccine: What is the risk of heart inflammation?
New research assesses the risk of myocarditis and myopericarditis in people who have received COVID-19 vaccines.
id be more worried if I took the traditional jnj shot
They are convinced that death certificates cannot reflect the true number, so they run a formula to determine flu deaths. So it is just assumed a number of people who died from of congestive heart failure or pneumonia were flu deaths.
Seasonal flu may lead to death from other causes, such as pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It has been recognized for many years that flu is underreported on death certificates and patients aren’t always tested for seasonal flu virus infection, particularly the elderly who are at increased risk of seasonal flu complications and death. Some deaths – particularly among the elderly – are associated with secondary complications of flu (including bacterial pneumonias). Influenza virus infection may not be identified in many instances because influenza virus is only detectable for a short period of time and/or many people don’t seek medical care until after the first few days of acute illness. For these and other reasons, statistical modeling strategies have been used to estimate seasonal flu-related deaths for many decades. Only counting deaths where flu was included on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of seasonal flu’s true impact.
This is even with no flu test to back it up.
Frequently Asked Questions about Estimated Flu Burden | CDC
Links to key resources on the burden of influenza - CDC
www.cdc.gov
So people dying with no indication they had the flu because flu tests are not required, can be counted as flu deaths. So it isn't the exact same thing, it is worse. If flu is prevalent it is counted higher in deaths with no real determination if the flu really caused deaths.
They are convinced that death certificates cannot reflect the true number, so they run a formula to determine flu deaths. So it is just assumed a number of people who died from of congestive heart failure or pneumonia were flu deaths.
Seasonal flu may lead to death from other causes, such as pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It has been recognized for many years that flu is underreported on death certificates and patients aren’t always tested for seasonal flu virus infection, particularly the elderly who are at increased risk of seasonal flu complications and death. Some deaths – particularly among the elderly – are associated with secondary complications of flu (including bacterial pneumonias). Influenza virus infection may not be identified in many instances because influenza virus is only detectable for a short period of time and/or many people don’t seek medical care until after the first few days of acute illness. For these and other reasons, statistical modeling strategies have been used to estimate seasonal flu-related deaths for many decades. Only counting deaths where flu was included on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of seasonal flu’s true impact.
This is even with no flu test to back it up.
Frequently Asked Questions about Estimated Flu Burden | CDC
Links to key resources on the burden of influenza - CDC
So people dying with no indication they had the flu because flu tests are not required, can be counted as flu deaths. So it isn't the exact same thing, it is worse. If flu is prevalent it is counted higher in deaths with no real determination if the flu really caused deaths.
but there seems to be a difference between the notion that people technically died from other things, some of which are known to be caused by the flu (pneumonia).
If COVID causes pneumonia, that seems like a worthwhile inclusion as a “COVID” death. But if someone dies in a motorcycle accident and tests positive with COVID, that shouldn’t be included, just as I wouldn’t expect it to be included as part of a flu count. Even though that is extreme, there are incidences of such inclusion.
I think the point being made is that COVID is still over tested for, generally speaking, but in particular among deaths* in certain states.
*not saying it hasn’t caused a majority of the higher than average deaths over the past two years
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Yeah, I’m not downplaying Covid-19 or Covid deaths with this anecdote. Just wanted to point out it’s a real thing, something to look into, and that incentives matter.
VERIFY: No, COVID-19 deaths are not being inflated by car crash deaths
Comment sections are flooded with claims that the U.S. is inflating COVID-19 death counts. The experts say that's not true -- and here's why.
www.google.com
Ah, a Google MD......VERIFY: No, COVID-19 deaths are not being inflated by car crash deaths
Comment sections are flooded with claims that the U.S. is inflating COVID-19 death counts. The experts say that's not true -- and here's why.
The number of inaccurate claims made about Covid continues to grow. What is aggravating is not that people have been wrong (everyone has to some degree), it’s that the loonies have tried to insult, shame, & belittle any dissenters, no matter how obvious it is that there is still so much unknown…what a joke.
