Coronavirus

[sglowrider]

I am far from an alarmist on this, but I do not get the "this is no big deal" argument. No one here has ever claimed to be trained in epidemiology. Given that,it seemslistening to the Surgeon General and the CDC makes sense. Do people think they are lying?

You dont need to look at just the CDC/Surgeon General. This thing has been going on for months.

If you wait for them its too late. Besides, you are all waiting for Jared:


Completed the Peace in the Middle East, now on to the next project. Boy Wonder never ceases to amaze me.

 

[bawlmer]

I'm of two minds on this whole deal. On the one hand, yes, it's real and concerning and needs to be dealt with seriously. On the other hand, shutting down entire institutions and closing events like the NCAA tournament to spectators and hunkering down in our homes, limiting our contact with people in general... it just all seems so overwrought.

I give the NCAA credit. It's not only 10 times more deadly than the flu, but the rate of transmission per infected person is about 5 times higher. That's why avoiding crowds is important.

 

[sglowrider]

The exponential curve of infections in the US is so far almost exactly tracking Italy's curve as it tracked up. We're just about 10 days behind them. Expect things to be dramatically, exponentially different and more dire in the US by weekend after next. If you haven't stocked up on foodstuffs, you probably should do that now.

I know. It's unlike anything we've ever experienced. But all the evidence seems to point to absolute chaos here in the States within less than two weeks. And the only way now to smooth that bell curve out is to take drastic measures. It's the only way. Italy is doing the right thing. Within two weeks, we may be faced with a similar situation.

Do you think you will ever know the real numbers?


CDC has been politicised.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

I give the NCAA credit. It's not only 10 times more deadly than the flu, but the rate of transmission per infected person is about 5 times higher. That's why avoiding crowds is important.

That's a very good point. Everyone talks about the death rate, which is of course important. But the rate of transmission is very alarming with this virus. It's what's making is so extremely dangerous.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Do you think you will ever know the real numbers?

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CDC has been politicised.

We may be able to extrapolate the numbers when it's all said and done. For now, there's just not good data.

 

[sglowrider]

We may be able to extrapolate the numbers when it's all said and done. For now, there's just not good data.

All said and done, it is an own goal. Completely avoidable.

Doing what Iran's doing other than licking the metal gates of churches.

 

[HillzHoozier]

Flu statistics are well known, have been for decades and have been offered in every corner of the media on a constant basis for the last 2 months. What, exactly, are you missing about flu statistics?

And, this isn’t the flu so what the flu does is irrelevant.

Because people are quoting irrelevant numbers and have caused a worldwide over-reaction. It's like declaring a hs basketball score after the 1st quarter. This isn't China. This isn't Italy. People should be informed and responsible, but free to live their lives. Martial law in New Rochelle, NY. And people are cool with it!

A side-by-side comparison of concurrent flu statistics could alleviate some concern. People think they're going to die. Politicians and then press want us afraid. Doctors say otherwise.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You dont need to look at just the CDC/Surgeon General. This thing has been going on for months.

If you wait for them its too late. Besides, you are all waiting for Jared:

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Completed the Peace in the Middle East, now on to the next project. Boy Wonder never ceases to amaze me.

Most people who say it is no big deal are conservative. So they might distrust everyone else, but do they really think the Surgeon General is part of the hoax?

 

[sglowrider]

That's a very good point. Everyone talks about the death rate, which is of course important. But the rate of transmission is very alarming with this virus. It's what's making is so extremely dangerous.

Yeap. I was shocked at our latest cluster here -- one 40-something idiot goes to a formal function and can infect everyone on his table. I didn't even know it was possible. It wasn't some roman orgy.

Now I am getting paranoid. Some kid next to me on the subway....

 

[sglowrider]

Most people who say it is no big deal are conservative. So they might distrust everyone else, but do they really think the Surgeon General is part of the hoax?

Do you know how funny it sounds to me, looking from 11,000 miles away and into my 3rd month of the epidemic?

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Yeap. I was shocked at our latest cluster here one 40-something idiot goes to a formal function and can infect everyone on his table. I didn't even know it was possible. It wasn't some roman orgy.

Now I am getting paranoid. Some kid next to me on the subway....

It seems there are two possible outcomes now at this point:

1. Lockdown / quarantine of the population to let this thing die out
2. Saturation of infection among the population. It will do what it does, and however many people die, well, that's just how it goes.

 

[bawlmer]

Most people who say it is no big deal are conservative. So they might distrust everyone else, but do they really think the Surgeon General is part of the hoax?

Conservatives think about whether they're likely to die. Liberals think about whether they're likely to spread it to others who are vulnerable.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I give the NCAA credit. It's not only 10 times more deadly than the flu, but the rate of transmission per infected person is about 5 times higher. That's why avoiding crowds is important.

they should just cancel all events. No point in players risking anything and it’s stupid to watch sports without a crowd. I can go to the gym for that.

 

[Daydreamer]

Because people are quoting irrelevant numbers and have caused a worldwide over-reaction. It's like declaring a hs basketball score after the 1st quarter. This isn't China. This isn't Italy. People should be informed and responsible, but free to live their lives. Martial law in New Rochelle, NY. And people are cool with it!

A side-by-side comparison of concurrent flu statistics could alleviate some concern. People think they're going to die. Politicians and then press want us afraid. Doctors say otherwise.

So please enlighten us on what the “relevant” numbers are and how coronavirus should be handled. You clearly know more than world wide health experts so give us the scoop.

 

[sglowrider]

It seems there are two possible outcomes now at this point:

1. Lockdown / quarantine of the population to let this thing die out
2. Saturation of infection among the population. It will do what it does, and however many people die, well, that's just how it goes.

For #1, you need to set up an entire infrastructure for that. If they have done it now, I doubt they can enforce a lockdown. From supporting the people in the house to provide an infrastructure to supporting them like food, medicines, PPEs to managing them, infected or suspects. Will you will need to treat them at home? Or bring them to the hospital?
#2, Is it feasible politically? Like some zombie movie.

I am a bit optimistic or an eternal romantic. If they can pull together their resources, like after 9-11, they should be able to nip it early. Nobody in the world has the same resources as the US. You need to use the intelligence/military resources and divert it into managing this. Tracking technologies, contact tracers etc are all there.

 

[Hank Reardon]

It seems there are two possible outcomes now at this point:

1. Lockdown / quarantine of the population to let this thing die out
2. Saturation of infection among the population. It will do what it does, and however many people die, well, that's just how it goes.

Or, #3. It does indeed behave similarly to seasonal viruses and gradually fades away as warmer/moister weather rolls in. No one knows yet. I wouldn’t hang my only hat on #3 but that could very well be the answer.

 

[HillzHoozier]

So please enlighten us on what the “relevant” numbers are and how coronavirus should be handled. You clearly know more than world wide health experts so give us the scoop.

Nobody knows how many people have this virus. The higher that number goes, the lower the death rate goes. Nobody reports how many get the virus and recover. This is being done on purpose. The 19 in Covid 19 denotes the fact that its (Co)(Vi)D 2019 version. It's a contagious form of common virus. It's not a death sentence.

Conservatives think about whether they're likely to die. Liberals think about whether they're likely to spread it to others who are vulnerable.

That's horseshit. I for one know that the containment fantasy isn't likely to come true. So, being vigilant is the order of the day, but shutting down the world's economy over it is stoopid.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Or, #3. It does indeed behave similarly to seasonal viruses and gradually fades away as warmer/moister weather rolls in. No one knows yet. I wouldn’t hang my only hat on #3 but that could very well be the answer.

It's true that we don't know yet about the possibility of #3. It could be that warmer/moister weather does help. Problem is, the exponential growth happening right now is going to take us to a very difficult place before seasonality can have an effect - if it does.

 

[Univee2]

Conservatives think about whether they're likely to die. Liberals think about whether they're likely to spread it to others who are vulnerable.

Lord, some stupid shit gets posted here, but this takes stupidity to new, galactic levels. Kudos.

 

[Noodle]

Or, #3. It does indeed behave similarly to seasonal viruses and gradually fades away as warmer/moister weather rolls in. No one knows yet. I wouldn’t hang my only hat on #3 but that could very well be the answer.

It’s pretty damn hot in Singapore and i don’t think they noticed it going away because of it

 

[Daydreamer]

Nobody knows how many people have this virus. The higher that number goes, the lower the death rate goes. Nobody reports how many get the virus and recover. This is being done on purpose. The 19 in Covid 19 denotes the fact that its (Co)(Vi)D 2019 version. It's a contagious form of common virus. It's not a death sentence.
That's horseshit. I for one know that the containment fantasy isn't likely to come true. So, being vigilant is the order of the day, but shutting down the world's economy over it is stoopid.

So you didn’t offer a plan for containment. What is it? You say one true thing which is that no one knows how many people have it. That is the most “no shit?” thing anyone has ever said. That’s also the whole point of a containment strategy of asking people to stay home and not pass it. You clearly think that’s the wrong strategy so, again, please give us the correct strategy for dealing with this. And please leave the conspiracy theories out of it.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Most people who say it is no big deal are conservative. So they might distrust everyone else, but do they really think the Surgeon General is part of the hoax?

They do actually. Mostly because they’re idiots.

 

[iuwclurker]

Conservatives think about whether they're likely to die. Liberals think about whether they're likely to spread it to others who are vulnerable.

And Trump thinks about whether liberals or conservatives will die.

 

[iuwclurker]

Lord, some stupid shit gets posted here, but this takes stupidity to new, galactic levels. Kudos.

NPT, that you?

Btw, for that butthirt, I recommend neosynephrine in the nose and then snorkel it where the sun don’t shine...

 

[hoot1]

Because people are quoting irrelevant numbers and have caused a worldwide over-reaction. It's like declaring a hs basketball score after the 1st quarter. This isn't China. This isn't Italy. People should be informed and responsible, but free to live their lives. Martial law in New Rochelle, NY. And people are cool with it!

A side-by-side comparison of concurrent flu statistics could alleviate some concern. People think they're going to die. Politicians and then press want us afraid. Doctors say otherwise.

Hillz, you ask the "64 Dollar Question" when you state,

People should be informed and responsible, but free to live their lives.​

Under normal circumstances a system which you describe, to which Americans subscribe, works in most ways.
However when facing a virus attack such as currently occurring an authoritarian militant approach my have its advantages.

This is the dilemma which confronts us as we try to sort out how to deal with the attack while maintaining our freedoms..

 

[HillzHoozier]

So you didn’t offer a plan for containment. What is it? You say one true thing which is that no one knows how many people have it. That is the most “no shit?” thing anyone has ever said. That’s also the whole point of a containment strategy of asking people to stay home and not pass it. You clearly think that’s the wrong strategy so, again, please give us the correct strategy for dealing with this. And please leave the conspiracy theories out of it.

Our best practices are to wash hands and stay home if sick. are you suggesting everyone stay home? How long before we can go back out?

 

[Hank Reardon]

It's true that we don't know yet about the possibility of #3. It could be that warmer/moister weather does help. Problem is, the exponential growth happening right now is going to take us to a very difficult place before seasonality can have an effect - if it does.

The next two or three weeks should tell us quite a bit. I would think that the cancellation of some of these high profile events (or at least eliminating the fans) will help, not just for those that may have traveled but also as a bit of a wake up to those who may not have been buying into the potential severity of the situation. Hell, they should have cancelled the rest of the IU/Nebraska game about 5 minutes ago.

 

[iuwclurker]

Hillz, you ask the "64 Dollar Question" when you state,

People should be informed and responsible, but free to live their lives.​

Under normal circumstances a system which you describe, to which Americans subscribe, works in most ways.
However when facing a virus attack such as currently occurring an authoritarian militant approach my have its advantages.

This is the dilemma which confronts us as we try to sort out how to deal with the attack while maintaining our freedoms..

64-dollar questions ain’t worth answering.

 

[sglowrider]

Or, #3. It does indeed behave similarly to seasonal viruses and gradually fades away as warmer/moister weather rolls in. No one knows yet. I wouldn’t hang my only hat on #3 but that could very well be the answer.

But anyone in business knows that you dont plan for the Hail Mary shot unless you are desperate. But then again, I graduated a while ago. I guess you never know with them Gen Zs.

 

[iuwclurker]

But anyone in business knows that you dont plan for the Hail Mary shot unless you are desperate. But then again, I graduated a while ago. You never know with them Gen Zs.

Is that Gen Z or Gen Zed?

 

[Daydreamer]

Our best practices are to wash hands and stay home if sick. are you suggesting everyone stay home? How long before we can go back out?

Best practices as an individual. Epidemiologists don’t manage individual behavior. They manage public health behavior. You still haven’t given a plan for managing this.
As far as how long? I wouldn’t have any idea. That’s why I listen to experts who do instead of buying into hare brained conspiracies.
You admit that we have no idea what the scope of the epidemic is or will be before it’s over so what’s the plan?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Or, #3. It does indeed behave similarly to seasonal viruses and gradually fades away as warmer/moister weather rolls in. No one knows yet. I wouldn’t hang my only hat on #3 but that could very well be the answer.

Have you seen all of the cases in the ME, Africa, etc.?

 

[sglowrider]

Is that Gen Z or Gen Zed?

These guys:

Fyi. I am a product of my upbringing so its still Zed to me.

 

[sglowrider]

Have you seen all of the cases in the ME, Africa, etc.?

Or Singapore. It's hot as feck here at the moment. Malaysia's starting to trend upwards.

 

[bawlmer]

Lord, some stupid shit gets posted here, but this takes stupidity to new, galactic levels. Kudos.

Read the threads on the Preemie about no crowds for NCAA games and it's the liberal media's fault. Then talk to me about stupid.

 

[iuwclurker]

Didn't say those words. If you can't carry a discussion without misrepresenting what the other side said, shut it down and take it away from here. You're a wrong guy to do that. But then, when you're on a really bad side - as you are - you have to misrepresent or flee.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Coronavirus Hits ‘Elvis Presley’ Film; Tom Hanks & Rita Wilson Bit By The Bug

We're gonna start seeing more celebs get it.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

This is the dilemma which confronts us as we try to sort out how to deal with the attack while maintaining our freedoms..

Good post and the bigger issue isn't that it simply can affect the individual who is making the choice. Spreading/carrying the virus is part of the problem, but it conflicts directly with individual freedom.

 

[sglowrider]

The next two or three weeks should tell us quite a bit. I would think that the cancellation of some of these high profile events (or at least eliminating the fans) will help, not just for those that may have traveled but also as a bit of a wake up to those who may not have been buying into the potential severity of the situation. Hell, they should have cancelled the rest of the IU/Nebraska game about 5 minutes ago.

Didnt age well.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Or Singapore. It's hot as feck here at the moment. Malaysia's starting to trend upwards.

Just saw another dinner table guest was diagnosed!