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Coronavirus case increase sets new U.S. record, rising to over 184K in one day

US should consider national mask mandate for the winter, former USDA commissioner writes in op-ed

As the US reports its second-highest day of new Covid-19 cases amid the continuing fall surge, a former commissioner of the US Food and Drug Administration says it may be time for a national mask mandate.

In an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, Dr. Scott Gottlieb wrote the mandate could be "limited and temporary."

"A mandate can be expressly limited to the next two months," Gottlieb wrote, adding that it's easier to wear a mask in the winter than the summer. "The inconvenience would allow the country to preserve health-care capacity and keep more schools and businesses open."

With deaths expected to rise this winter, policymakers will have to make moves to slow the spread, Gottlieb wrote. There already is no support for reinstating the stay-at-home orders from the spring.

If 95% of Americans wore masks in public, more than 100,000 lives could be saved in the United States through February, according to data released Friday by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

"If people are not wearing masks, then maybe we should be mandating it," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN's Erin Burnett on Friday.

Gottlieb wrote the concern about needing fines to enforce the mandate leading to confrontations with police isn't necessarily true.

"States should be able to choose how to enforce a mandate, but the goal should be to make masks a social and cultural norm, not a political statement," he wrote. "Mandating masks has become divisive only because it was framed that way by some politicians and commentators."

Gottlieb was appointed FDA commissioner by President Trump
and served from May 2017 to May 2019. He is now a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a think tank in Washington, DC.

Saturday saw 83,718 new Covid-19 cases, just 39 cases shy of the all-time record that was reported Friday. Already, national cases total more than 8.6 million and 225,212 people have died, according to Johns Hopkins.
"We're at a dangerous tipping point right now," Gottlieb told Margaret Brennan Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation." "We're entering what's going to be the steep slope of the curve, of the epidemic curve."

Social gatherings and family events moving indoors to avoid the colder weather is largely to blame for the high rates of spread, officials said over the weekend.

In Maryland, the governor said this week family gatherings were the No. 1 source of transmission in the state, followed by house parties. In North Carolina, health officials reported its highest daily case count Friday and said they continue to see clusters "from social and religious gatherings."
 
Meanwhile, back at 1600 Covid Central:

2nd Outbreak.


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Gee, I wonder how Pence's people caught it.
 
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El Paso imposes curfew after ICU beds reach capacity


The dreaded cold-weather surge of coronavirus infections is beginning to overwhelm health-care providers in some areas of the country, prompting a return to stay-at-home restrictions and the construction of makeshift field hospitals.

El Paso imposed a new curfew on residents Sunday after intensive care units reached full capacity, while Utah’s hospital association warned that it would soon have to begin rationing care if current trends do not improve.

Meanwhile....

  • Kansas counties that opted to require masks in public are adding only about half as many new coronavirus cases per capita as the state overall, according to a new analysis from University of Kansas.
Do Face Masks Matter in Kansas & Johnson County?

Published Oct 22nd!! 🙄🙄

My old hunting round, Johnson County.
 
US should consider national mask mandate for the winter, former USDA commissioner writes in op-ed

As the US reports its second-highest day of new Covid-19 cases amid the continuing fall surge, a former commissioner of the US Food and Drug Administration says it may be time for a national mask mandate.

In an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, Dr. Scott Gottlieb wrote the mandate could be "limited and temporary."

"A mandate can be expressly limited to the next two months," Gottlieb wrote, adding that it's easier to wear a mask in the winter than the summer. "The inconvenience would allow the country to preserve health-care capacity and keep more schools and businesses open."

With deaths expected to rise this winter, policymakers will have to make moves to slow the spread, Gottlieb wrote. There already is no support for reinstating the stay-at-home orders from the spring.

If 95% of Americans wore masks in public, more than 100,000 lives could be saved in the United States through February, according to data released Friday by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

"If people are not wearing masks, then maybe we should be mandating it," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN's Erin Burnett on Friday.

Gottlieb wrote the concern about needing fines to enforce the mandate leading to confrontations with police isn't necessarily true.

"States should be able to choose how to enforce a mandate, but the goal should be to make masks a social and cultural norm, not a political statement," he wrote. "Mandating masks has become divisive only because it was framed that way by some politicians and commentators."

Gottlieb was appointed FDA commissioner by President Trump
and served from May 2017 to May 2019. He is now a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a think tank in Washington, DC.

Saturday saw 83,718 new Covid-19 cases, just 39 cases shy of the all-time record that was reported Friday. Already, national cases total more than 8.6 million and 225,212 people have died, according to Johns Hopkins.
"We're at a dangerous tipping point right now," Gottlieb told Margaret Brennan Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation." "We're entering what's going to be the steep slope of the curve, of the epidemic curve."

Social gatherings and family events moving indoors to avoid the colder weather is largely to blame for the high rates of spread, officials said over the weekend.

In Maryland, the governor said this week family gatherings were the No. 1 source of transmission in the state, followed by house parties. In North Carolina, health officials reported its highest daily case count Friday and said they continue to see clusters "from social and religious gatherings."

Why? The virus will magically disappear after the election.
 
Death panels!


Sadly that's what it is -- its like the healthcare workers back in March-May in the UK, Italy and NYC having to make choices on who gets treated or a shortcut to palliative care:

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Sadly that's what it is -- its like the healthcare workers back in March-May in the UK, Italy and NYC having to make choices on who gets treated or a shortcut to palliative care:

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Hospitalizations in Indiana have doubled in the last month. We're at roughly 70% ICU capacity right now. Highest since mid- April.
 
Hospitalizations in Indiana have doubled in the last month. We're at roughly 70% ICU capacity right now. Highest since mid- April.

And a kooky Libertarian may get 10%+ of the vote for IN governor mainly because he is anti mask. It’s really all so stupid.
 
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And a kooky Libertarian may get 10%+ of the vote for IN governor mainly because he is anti mask. It’s really all so stupid.

It's embarrassingly stupid. They can have all the freedom and liberty after they die. But in the meantime time, wear a fakkin' mask.
 
Hospitalizations in Indiana have doubled in the last month. We're at roughly 70% ICU capacity right now. Highest since mid- April.
Some isolated spikes in hospitalizations exist, but not the case everywhere.

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In my district, only 22.5% of ICU beds are covid patients. Our spike in cases is highest among the portion of the population which has seen zero fatalities.

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State-wide spikes in 22% of the country is not "isolated"

It does seem to be a red state problem, though. I wonder why?
You're not accurately describing what is going on. The spikes are in the blue cities and among the younger pop. I wonder why?
 
Coronavirus case increase sets new U.S. record, rising to over 77K in one day
The record-breaking tally comes in a week when a top CDC official said the agency is seeing a "distressing trend" of coronavirus case numbers "increasing in nearly 75 percent of the country."
That can't be! I think you are lying!
Our president has been telling us that the TrumpVirus has been under control since February.
You are not telling us that our venerable president has been telling us lies for nearly a year!

Shame on you!
 
Yabbut Hillz ain’t dead yet so who cares?
No but 8 million plus hit poverty and places are having to close up shop. Southern Ill this weekend. You are one way traffic per usual. There are broader policy considerations that come into play when you begin to Think. For. Yourself.... stop with the positivity rates as an arbitrary metric. mandate masks locally. mandate masks statewide. fine the living shit out of people. put them on misd/traffic dockets. issue warrants for their fta. get creative. do something. no we'll use an infection rate and ruin people's livelihoods. not hospitalizations/deaths/survivals but an infection rate. and we won't think about any other creative measures that may allow poor communities and people to remain afloat and in school and solvent. ridiculous
 
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That can't be! I think you are lying!
Our president has been telling us that the TrumpVirus has been under control since February.
You are not telling us that our venerable president has been telling us lies for nearly a year!

Shame on you!

Sorry. I lied. :(

Trump = Truth

Sincerely,
Sglowrider @ChinaSpy.
 
Sorry. I lied. :(

Trump = Truth

Sincerely,
Sglowrider @ChinaSpy.
trump is a silly and easy target at this point. to continue to blame trump when states have had 7 plus months to do something is absurd. illinois is imposing new restrictions under the same guise we've already gone through. no creativity. no new efforts. just predicated on infection rates. no hey let's mandate masks (BECAUSE WHILE TRUMP CAN'T I CAN) and at the county level fine the shit out of those who fail to wear them; and put them on the traffic docket that's already equipped for such things. and if they don't pay their fine or show up they get a warrant and can sit in county. blaming trump now is idiotic and just a long circle jerk for some of you that frankly is really, really stupid when you consider who has authority to act and has had authority for more than 7 months. it's parroting really silly media
 
trump is a silly and easy target at this point. to continue to blame trump when states have had 7 plus months to do something is absurd. illinois is imposing new restrictions under the same guise we've already gone through. no creativity. no new efforts. just predicated on infection rates. no hey let's mandate masks (BECAUSE WHILE TRUMP CAN'T I CAN) and at the county level fine the shit out of those who fail to wear them; and put them on the traffic docket that's already equipped for such things. and if they don't pay their fine or show up they get a warrant and can sit in county. blaming trump now is idiotic and just a long circle jerk for some of you that frankly is really, really stupid when you consider who has authority to act and has had authority for more than 7 months. it's parroting really silly media
Shhh. I would prefer to give Trump 100% of the blame for another week. Thanks!
 
trump is a silly and easy target at this point. to continue to blame trump when states have had 7 plus months to do something is absurd. illinois is imposing new restrictions under the same guise we've already gone through. no creativity. no new efforts. just predicated on infection rates. no hey let's mandate masks (BECAUSE WHILE TRUMP CAN'T I CAN) and at the county level fine the shit out of those who fail to wear them; and put them on the traffic docket that's already equipped for such things. and if they don't pay their fine or show up they get a warrant and can sit in county. blaming trump now is idiotic and just a long circle jerk for some of you that frankly is really, really stupid when you consider who has authority to act and has had authority for more than 7 months. it's parroting really silly media

Do you not blame tobacco companies/advertisements for cancer? And despite knowing for decades the harmful effects of tobacco based on their own internal research? Yet they persisted on advertising until the Congress said enough is enough.

Trump spoilt/lied the situation right at the start -- and in fact, continue to do so at the expense of thousands of deaths.

Every nation in the world had their leader lead. Not intentionally poison the well by making shit up to suit his narrative/political ambitions.

McM -- you guys are undergoing such a fog of war scenario that its tough to see things clearly. Its much easier to separate the wheat form the chaff from afar and particularly, from a place where things have been run nearly perfectly other than some unexpected situations.

Clarity/predictability of incrementalism (of measures) in their approach versus the intentional murkying of the waters.

Its so clear and obvious for me.
 
You're not accurately describing what is going on. The spikes are in the blue cities and among the younger pop. I wonder why?

Since we're being accurate... El Paso hospitals are overflowing and patients are having to be airlifted to other cities. The GOP Mayor is urging folks there to stay home for the next 2 weeks. I just went back and checked my tape, and sure enough, he said on ABC (WNT) that by next Wed his city would need another 200 hospital rooms. Right now they are erecting tents in parking lots...

Utah is talking of possibly having to prioritize ICU beds, on the basis of youth and severity of case.

I'm looking at a map with the states outlined where hospitalizations eclipsed records last week. There were 16 of them, with NM being the ONLY state that did not vote for Trump in 2016. The others are AK, AR,OK,KY,WV, OH,WI,IA,NE,SD,ND,MT,WY,ID,and UT.
Deaths are rising in 27 states...
 
Do you not blame tobacco companies/advertisements for cancer? And despite knowing for decades the harmful effects of tobacco based on their own internal research? Yet they persisted on advertising until the Congress said enough is enough.

Trump spoilt/lied the situation right at the start -- and in fact, continue to do so at the expense of thousands of deaths.

Every nation in the world had their leader lead. Not intentionally poison the well by making shit up to suit his narrative/political ambitions.

McM -- you guys are undergoing such a fog of war scenario that its tough to see things clearly. Its much easier to separate the wheat form the chaff from afar and particularly, from a place where things have been run nearly perfectly other than some unexpected situations.

Clarity/predictability of incrementalism (of measures) in their approach versus the intentional murkying of the waters.

Its so clear and obvious for me.
again you are totally missing the point. let's try in all caps. STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARE WHO INSTITUTE POLICIES TO CURB CASES. STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES CAN MANDATE MASKS AND IMPOSE SANCTIONS FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY. ONLY STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES CAN DO ANY OF THIS STUFF. WHY ARE THEY NOT DOING THESE THINGS? WHY ARE THEY CLOSING BUSINESSES INSTEAD OF MANDATING MASKS AND IMPOSING FINES. WHY ARE THEY TAKING DRASTIC MEASURES INSTEAD OF LESS DRASTIC MEASURES. BLAMING TRUMP IN MONTH 7 OF THIS IS STOOOOOOOOPID
 
Since we're being accurate... El Paso hospitals are overflowing and patients are having to be airlifted to other cities. The GOP Mayor is urging folks there to stay home for the next 2 weeks. I just went back and checked my tape, and sure enough, he said on ABC (WNT) that by next Wed his city would need another 200 hospital rooms. Right now they are erecting tents in parking lots...

Utah is talking of possibly having to prioritize ICU beds, on the basis of youth and severity of case.

I'm looking at a map with the states outlined where hospitalizations eclipsed records last week. There were 16 of them, with NM being the ONLY state that did not vote for Trump in 2016. The others are AK, AR,OK,KY,WV, OH,WI,IA,NE,SD,ND,MT,WY,ID,and UT.
Deaths are rising in 27 states...
Links?
 
again you are totally missing the point. let's try in all caps. STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARE WHO INSTITUTE POLICIES TO CURB CASES. STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES CAN MANDATE MASKS AND IMPOSE SANCTIONS FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY. ONLY STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES CAN DO ANY OF THIS STUFF. WHY ARE THEY NOT DOING THESE THINGS? WHY ARE THEY CLOSING BUSINESSES INSTEAD OF MANDATING MASKS AND IMPOSING FINES. WHY ARE THEY TAKING DRASTIC MEASURES INSTEAD OF LESS DRASTIC MEASURES. BLAMING TRUMP IN MONTH 7 OF THIS IS STOOOOOOOOPID

You are looking at thinks through a pinhole, on a day to day basis. Not joining the dots.

Starts with the guy in the WH and then the state governors -- I told you earlier about Cuomo passing the law. He needed to take responsibility for managing the situation in NY state to ensure that things got better.

If Trump asked the Republican Governors to pass the law on mandating masks back in March/April, you think the current situation would be different?

Never mind hindsight but the bastard's still continuing on making the situation worse -- for his political ambitions.

Speak to any credible healthcare professional and ask them who they think the blame lies.

Trump.

They had hoped that he would have pivoted after getting sick. But instead he doubled down.

And more deaths.
 
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Coronavirus case increase sets new U.S. record, rising to over 77K in one day
The record-breaking tally comes in a week when a top CDC official said the agency is seeing a "distressing trend" of coronavirus case numbers "increasing in nearly 75 percent of the country."


The U.S. set a record Thursday as the number of new coronavirus cases rose to over 77,000, topping the previous record in July.
Nationwide, 77,640 new cases were reported for the day, up from the previous record of 75,723 on July 29, according to the latest tally compiled by NBC News.

The record-breaking daily tally comes as the total number of coronavirus cases in the country has reached nearly 8.5 million, with 224,280 deaths. There were 921 coronavirus-related deaths reported on Thursday.

Public health officials warned this week that the number of cases is rising across most of the country.

Dr. Jay Butler, deputy director for infectious diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Wednesday afternoon that the agency has noted a "distressing trend" in which coronavirus case numbers are "increasing in nearly 75 percent of the country."

Much of the increase is centered in the Midwest. States like Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska and Wisconsin have recorded rises in case numbers in the last two weeks.

Public health officials attribute the spikes, in part, to cooler weather that is forcing people indoors.

"Smaller, more intimate gatherings with family, friends and neighbors may be driving infections," Butler said, while also acknowledging pandemic fatigue among the public.

"We get tired of wearing masks, but it continues to be as important as it's ever been," he said.

What was the daily record for h1n1? You know, the virus that killed more children than COVID. I'll say, so far, as COVID is not over.
 
You are looking at thinks through a pinhole, on a day to day basis. Not joining the dots.

Starts with the guy in the WH and then the state governors -- I told you earlier about Cuomo passing the law. He needed to take responsibility for managing the situation in NY state to ensure that things got better.

If Trump asked the Republican Governors to pass the law on mandating masks back in March/April, you think the current situation would be different?

Never mind hindsight but the bastard's still continuing on making the situation worse -- for his political ambitions.

Speak to any credible healthcare professional and ask them who they think the blame lies.

Trump.

They had hoped that he would have pivoted after getting sick. But instead he doubled down.

And more deaths.
the governor has the authority to mandate masks; a less drastic option than closing businesses. instead they are doing the latter. that's a decision that rests solely with a gov and enforcement locally. has zero to do with trump. you truly have trump derangement syndrome and can't see the forest for the trees. everything pertinent today with pandemic containment falls solely within the ambit of governors and county officials. the response or lack thereof is in their discretion. they've had seven months to come up with something. nothing. so we're going to continue to scream at the guy with zero authority and give the guys who have authority a pass. that makes a lot of sense.
 
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Put the bottle down. I think you have had enough for the night.

Afraid to answer? 60 million+ were affected, and more children died from it than any other age group. Why didn't Obama call for a shut down of schools? If he did, I missed it.
 
the governor has the authority to mandate masks; a less drastic option than closing businesses. instead they are doing the latter. that's a decision that rests solely with a gov and enforcement locally. has zero to do with trump. you truly have trump derangement syndrome and can't see the forest for the trees. everything pertinent today with pandemic containment falls solely within the ambit of governors and county officials. the response or lack thereof is in their discretion. they've had seven months to come up with something. nothing. so we're going to continue to scream at the guy with zero authority and give the guys who have authority a pass. that makes a lot of sense.

I see it from the perspective of management. It starts at the top. If he has no effect on managing the pandemic then why does he keep persisting on making the situation worse?

If he called up your Republican governor and told him to pass the law mandating masking and social distancing back in March/April, would he have obliged?

Look at his actions -- he knows he can affect the pandemic. Otherwise, he wouldn't be doing what he is still doing now.

A President leads.
 
I see it from the perspective of management. It starts at the top. If he has no effect on managing the pandemic then why does he keep persisting on making the situation worse?

If he called up your Republican governor and told him to pass the law mandating masking and social distancing back in March/April, would he have obliged?

Look at his actions -- he knows he can affect the pandemic. Otherwise, he wouldn't be doing what he is still doing now.

A President leads.
Federalism. For a reason. The Ill gov does the opposite of what trump wants. He could enforce masks. He’s enforcing business restrictions. Blaming trump exclusively after seven months is trump derangement syndrome
 
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Afraid to answer? 60 million+ were affected, and more children died from it than any other age group. Why didn't Obama call for a shut down of schools? If he did, I missed it.

Another fog of war victim.

Go back to my remarks back in Feb/March. I said it many times -- the measures to managing the pandemic has to be incremental. But the longer you wait in implementing them, the more draconian the subsequent measures will be.

You don't jump 0 to 100mph with one swoop. It has to be responsive to the situation. Not binary.

With the numbers back in 2007, there was no need to shut down -- unless Obama did nothing or was ill-prepared.

But lucky he had institutional memory kept over from the Bush years and their preparedness for any epidemic.
 
Federalism. For a reason. The Ill gov does the opposite of what trump wants. He could enforce masks. He’s enforcing business restrictions. Blaming trump exclusively after seven months is trump derangement syndrome

Germany, Australia, Brazil, India are some of the other countries in the world that have a federal system.

What's your point? The first two have responded to the pandemic relatively well. The latter, no so. Why? Leadership at the top.

Governments at their most basic have to keep their citizens safe. Failure of that is a spotlight on their poor governance -- and their political leaders.
 
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Another fog of war victim.

Go back to my remarks back in Feb/March. I said it many times -- the measures to managing the pandemic has to be incremental. But the longer you wait in implementing them, the more draconian the subsequent measures will be.

You don't jump 0 to 100mph with one swoop. It has to be responsive to the situation.

With the numbers back in 2007, there was no need to shut down -- unless Obama did nothing or was ill-prepared.

But lucky he had institutional memory kept over from the Bush years and their preparedness for any epidemic.

Ron Klein disagrees. But will you answer my question, Patches O'Houlihan?
 
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