I think it's been proved the DOJ can be biased.
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Hard to say without knowing what happened prior, but the customer sure lost that game of F*** Around and Find Out.
Damn that’s awful. Justified as the guy came at him but damn. Bad luck. My dad’s best friend killed a guy in college. Just a random fight and hit him right in the perfect spot of the nose - drove it into his brain. Guy died and my dad’s buddy was off ever since.
Yeah but most those guys are stiff as shit. And you can’t live presuming such things to be true. It’s why following the trump path is untenable
I guess you expected them to wait until Pence or someone else was actually attacked before taking action? That is dumb. You guys never fail to bring BLM into it. Why?
She got exactly what she deserved. Wonder what prompted her to think she was above the law...
the posture, perception, and circumstances are totally different. with the cap cop he's hearing shit on his radio, uncertain of what's going on around him, charged with protecting people, and bam the rioters breach the entry so in his defense and in the defense of those he's charged with protecting he acted. uncertain of what storm was coming. contrast that with memphis where the cops had the guy restrained, the threat was subdued, and they proceeded to "have fun" with him.
Agree. These guys are being obtuse on purpose to get a rise. No way any intelligent person sees these two situations as comparable.
They aren’t comparable. And believe me I give every benefit of the doubt to cops
I only know one thing for certain, had the J6 mob have been trying to storm the White House with the first family inside there would have been a shit ton of dead folks.
We all know what the secret service would have done and it boggles my mind that there is shock that the Capitol police would do the same at the last line of defense before the speaker’s lobby.
We all know what the secret service would have done and it boggles my mind that there is shock that the Capitol police would do the same at the last line of defense before the speaker’s lobby.
I expected the cop to act like a professional in the use of deadly force. I don’t think he did. I used BLM as an example because the identical circumstances in a different political situation and the cop goes to jail, IMO. This cop getting a pass is all about politics, not about whether his decision to kill the rioter at that time and place was justified.
Im old enough to remember when left wing rioters barricaded the exit doors to a federal courthouse with concrete and then tried to burn the building. When the feds took some rioters into custody without trying to kill them, Nancy Pelosi called the cops “stormtroopers.“. Politics is everything and it’s sickening.
I think they might have overcharged with second degree murder, but the rest of your post is the best in the thread.
The secret service didn’t use deadly force when rioters busted through the first line of defense at regular White House in July 2020. The president was taken to the bunker at that time. No loss of life.
It doesn’t matter. The cops on the other side of the door were doing their job and protecting the members of Congress. Their lives were at risk.
The Memphis cops are properly in the criminal justice system. The Capitol cop wasn't even subject to serious independent review. The cop shot from a concealed position.. Babbitt wasn’t even given a “stop or I’ll shoot warning”.
Maybe, but not by Babbitt. She was climbing through a broken door window and presented no threat of death or serious bodily harm. She had no weapon .
Don't forget that this was the same idiot cop who left his gun by the sink in a public bathroom for like 10 hours straight.
Per usual for most threads I participate
1) They never entered the White House grounds.
2) They got the shit kicked out of them by the regular police.
It’s just not the same. Babbit isn’t the same. False equivalency may make you feel better, but it’s still false.
He was also a lieutenant. The capitol police don’t seem to attract high end people. Probably those who can’t make it a real force. Mostly just gate keepers. But if you give them guns, the same standards need to apply to them.
Capitol police were also supposed to monitor the Pelosi security cameras, they blew that one too.
Why do you ignore the Capitol police who are on Babbitt's side of the door? They are doing nothing.
The cop was trigger-happy and should have been prosecuted.
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The officer in the Babbit case did what he was trained to do.
Do you believe the Memphis police were trained to pull people out of their car physically in a routine traffic stop? Do you believe they were trained to kick the arrestee in the head? To stand him up and hit him with their fists and batons, 5 on one despite the fact he never acted aggressively towards them?
What? You are not allowed to question this guy! He was being attacked by a 5'2" unarmed woman! Well, not attacked, but she was attacking the door!
I do not believe the Capitol Police are trained to shoot unarmed women. Sorry - I just don't.
If your fellow policemen are standing right next to the person you shoot and they're not taking any action, I think it's pretty germane to the argument.
She was held accountable for her actions. Officer deserves a medal as no doubt many others backed down from the harm they were planning of our elected officials.
Many other near Darwin Award winners in that bunch.
Why wait to find out? Took proactive action like I will if you try and break a window at my house.
What I read, and I’m going by memory, is that the mob was trying to break in, the cop is following on his radio and hearing that cops are down, it’s chaotic, he has an army of misfits and nerds he’s charged to protect, and this idiot breaks in and he shoots. He doesn’t know if she has a gun. A weapon. Whatever. Self defense. Defense of congress reps etc. That fact pattern is nothing like that of the cops in Memphis
Well, she didn't break in. I can understand the confusion, but again - 2 cops are standing on her side of the door and doing nothing.
He does know she doesn't have a gun because he can see both her hands on the window.
For God's sake, why didn't he just go to the window and take her hands off it? He gives no warning or attempts to stop her - he just shoots.
He panicked because he was scared. He'd already proved he had no sense of gun security.
I'm not comparing with Memphis - I only brought that up because many here said Babbitt deserves it because she didn't obey the police. Well, neither did the guy in Memphis. I'm showing the hypocrisy that thinking, particularly the weird BCCHoosier, who thinks more should have been killed.
One was trying to get away. The threat was over. The other was the aggressor.
When Rittenhouse was tried, I agreed when several of the conservatives here said that about the people he shot,"play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
Many of the fair minded conservatives here agree with that with Babbitt. But some suddenly change their minds.
Is breaking through a window in the US Capitol with a mob and try to climb through which would cutoff the retreat route of members still in the balcony a "stupid game"?
Many of the fair minded conservatives here agree with that with Babbitt. But some suddenly change their minds.
Is breaking through a window in the US Capitol with a mob and try to climb through which would cutoff the retreat route of members still in the balcony a "stupid game"?
I said they are lucky more weren't. Ask you a question. Let's say you are home with your wife and kids. How many doors and windows are you going to let a mob break through until you protect your family?
What if had already seen this mob attack others and some are chanting hang Dan's wife? So you just try and talk to them? Man you are soft.
I just said I'm not arguing the situations are the same - only that the argument for justification of the Babbitt shooting was that she didn't obey police orders. And that anyone who didn't obey police orders was subject to being shot and killed. That's not my argument - that's lunatics like BCCHoosier's argument.
Taking his argument to a logical conclusion, it was perfectly fine for the cops to beat up a guy who was not following their orders. Again, I'm not saying it is, because it isn't - but that's where that argument leads.
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