You know what? If someone is at your window and not in your house, you are not allowed to use deadly force.
And no - you said you wish more had been killed. You're sick.
cities bracing for black unrest this weekend.
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And no - you said you wish more had been killed. You're sick.
You guys are soft on crime when it fits your agenda. That's the only reason you care this moron was shot. I've entertained you enough tonight. Have a good one.
It's just danc and CoH being danc and Coh. Two different styles of shitposting.
Without question. In virtually every one of the scenarios, while the police may be at fault for their actions, the root cause is the behavior, lack of compliance, etc. of the “victims” to put themselves in that position, including Bobbit.
Babbitt. Bobbit got his pecker lopped off. I’d be shocked if in retrospect he didn’t see it as a blessing
It is two separate conversations. I am not convinced the Capitol police officer used justifiable force. I think that many of those who are convinced do so because of the politics of the person shot moreso than what Babbitt was doing (because I have seen them argue vehemently for people doing worse not being justifiably shot by police....)
Should be a completely different thread though. The officers in Memphis were totally in the wrong. The decision (good or bad) for Babbitt doesn't really play into this one way or the other.
She traveled 2500 miles on her own dime to attend a "rally" and ended up part of a mob. While I won't go as far as trash, it's an interesting case nonetheless.
Why would someone do that? Someone that committed just screams "violent person". Imagine the grudges she held against her exes, yikes.
Now that you mention it...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tt-boyfriend-capitol-riot-trump-b1985801.html
There are going to be varying levels of dumbass behavior that you are going to be able to dig out of anyone's past. Anyone.
She's trash because she was a Trump supporter. That is about as deep as it goes w.r.t. what happened with her. I think there are justifiable and rational arguments to be made on each side of her shooting, but you can't have rational arguments around anything even tangentially related to Trump.
If we want to rehash her situation though, we probably should do it in its own thread.
Fair enough. But have you ever traveled 2500 miles for anything other than family or vacation?
She did it for an idea that was false. Why did that happen. I don't think she started out as unhinged but she ended up that way and, ultimately, it cost her her life. We really should try to understant what about our society and culture is causing this.
We talk about her b/c she died. But there were thousands of others there. I'll admit many of the left are quick to just call them whack jobs and trash but they are people like the rest of us but somehow they have been radicalized (I feel that is appropriate and not flame bait) just like the Antifa folks on the left.
Doesn't appear that there was much violence which is good. The saving grace here is that the cops who did this are not white.
Maybe because she actually believes in something?
I didn't see your posts pointing out that the recent Atlanta riots drew people from the Pacific Northwest states.
She wasn't coming through the window. She was outside the room, hanging on the window.
I have. I traveled to California for the Army and then to Germany.
That was for an 'idea' - an idea that defending your country is worth some personal sacrifice.
If you're in the United States, your civil rights still apply, no matter what state you're in. To infer that it was OK she was shot because she came to protest is just strange.
I called out the Antifa loons.
Defending your country by joining the military is certainly idealistic and honorable.
What she was doing was not honorable. But she didn't start out that way. Something changed in her that caused this and that something was spurred on by a media that cares little for facts and really only caters to people's desires for what the world should be. Left, right, whatever.
Tribalism baked into our lizard brains took care of the rest.
Yes, you did call them out in the post after the one I responded to.
And Babbitt was a veteran, so her service to her country was honorable
It all depends on what side you're on if she's 'honorable' or not. Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty were not honorable to the British.
Correct.
Go ahead and shoot someone when they're trying to get in - but not actually in. You'll be doing time.
You seriously don't think she was going through when shot? You think she was just chilling there?
Gun drawn and door barricaded wasn't enough of a warning to stop?
How dumb do you think Babbitt was that you won't give her credit for being intelligent enough to read the room so to speak?
The cop intended to kill an intruder from a concealed position, without warning, and his chosen target had no visible weapon. There was no friendly whose life was at risk. The cop may have been afraid, but his fear must be reasonably held. If he was given an order to kill the rioters, we should know that. That’s not an unreasonable order, all rioters in all public buildings should know that. But he was a high ranking officer and should be giving orders, not receiving them. Instead he was hiding and decided to ambush a rioter. Then he continued his anonymity for weeks.
This whole thing stinks to high heaven. The whole review was politics as usual. I think the word was delivered by a political operative that this was to be a good shoot regardless of the facts.
If rioters in public buildings intend to disrupt government operations are to be killed (not a bad idea) let’s send that message to every corner of the country.
We need to peel off a few billion from defense spending and add it to police spending. Increase wages across the board. Attract better candidates and more of them. Put strict physical AND mental health training. Protect and Serve. No bigger "defense" spend than that.
While were at it, That's where border security funding should come from as well.
While were at it, That's where border security funding should come from as well.
Talk about dumb - she couldn't see the cop who was hiding to the side.
He gave no warning - none.
I agree, but you're talking about federal troops guarding the border. I don't have a problem with it, but it would be a pretty radical move.
You guys keep saying they she had no visible weapon. I am guessing the officer gave a report/statement. That info would have been included. What did the officer say?
Totally agree. And a massive public education campaign on how to engage police. Too many avoidable situations
He wasn’t sure. So he made a judgment call. I’m fine with that.
Who knows? That's the whole point - there was no independent investigation and reporting of the facts of the incident.
I'm glad you finally woke up. Geez, half the day is gone!
None of those people went onto the building, they just walked around peering through the windows. The videos were all staged.
Bingo. You framing the issue around “conservatives “ proves my point that the issue is political. As a matter of pure police conduct, I think Babbitt was a bad shoot. But as you note, I’m a conservative so objectiveness is out the window.
Many cops lose their jobs, charged with a crime, or even convicted because of judgment calls.
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