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CEO of United Healthcare gunned down in midtown Manhattan

Ha no shit?!
All they did to Collussus was rename it.

At Liberty it was L.E.T - Liability Evaluation Tool. Same thing.

I agree with Crazy on a couple things but mostly that using an algorithim or tool to decide coverage or confirm/deny treatment is a grotesquerie that should be stopped. It's out of hand.
 
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All they did to Collussus was rename it.

At Liberty it was L.E.T - Liability Evaluation Tool. Same thing.

I agree with Crazy on a couple things but mostly that using an algorithim or tool to decide coverage or confirm/deny treatment is a grotesquerie that should be stopped. It's out of hand.
You want to remove the human from the decision-making somewhat but yeah, going fully automated is not the way.
 
Ha no shit?!
Yeah, nothing like trying to settle an injury claim with a $200 range to settle it with.

"Here is $1200...."

"Nah, that is too low."

"How about $1225?...."

The job was a mix between paying people who were full of it too much and not having the ability to really compensate people who trust deserved it. We had a little discretion to go outside of the Colossus range within our authority but you had to really explain it.
 
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Yeah, nothing like trying to settle an injury claim with a $200 range to settle it with.

"Here is $1200...."

"Nah, that is too low."

"How about $1225?...."

The job was a mix between paying people who were full of it too much and not having the ability to really compensate people who trust deserved it. We had a little discretion to go outside of the Colossus range within our authority but you had to really explain it.
Yup. That world is a racket
 
Agree. The AI part is grotesque tho. Reminds me of the personal injury world. The insurance companies had this thing called Colossus that valued cases. Became a stupid game to circumvent it. Write therapist not chiro. Abrasion not bruise etc
They are earning their way to complete socialized medicine - if they survive the revolution.
 
On both sides, to some extent:



I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding in our ruling class as to just how bad things are at the moment. There have been some major issues that have basically been tabled for years now and problems unaddressed don't just go away. They fester and explode. We have a bunch of broken systems whose deleterious impacts are casting wider nets every few years. That will eventually have real consequences.
The only thing that has mattered since the night Hillary lost is the Trump/anti-Trump Insult Battle. 150,000,000 partisans treating each other like shit, seeing only the hypocrisy of "them" and "they".

The Electeds are not servants - they are Rulers - they are Elites - they are Inner Party.

The Average Administrative Agency Enforcement Agent is a power-corrupted SWAT-like robot.

But try and show up in DC and protest - see what happens. You will be arrested to stop another Coo - maybe shot if the Next Escalation has occurred and Pelosi is till there.
 
On both sides, to some extent:



I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding in our ruling class as to just how bad things are at the moment. There have been some major issues that have basically been tabled for years now and problems unaddressed don't just go away. They fester and explode. We have a bunch of broken systems whose deleterious impacts are casting wider nets every few years. That will eventually have real consequences.
What were the serious problems that Luigi was facing?
 
Tired of living in Mario’s shadow
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CEO of United Healthcare defends practices of preventing 'unnecessary care.'

I don't think this is anything anyone wouldn't expect a CEO of a major health insurance company to say to shareholders, but in light of recent events maybe doubling down on company pride in claim denial isn't what you should lead off with.
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According to ValuePenguin, a site that helps users compare insurance plans’ costs, UnitedHealth’s 32% claims denial rate was twice the industry average.

Now, I think we need to understand the methodology of the esteemed ValuePenguin. But, I believe the only silver lining of this event would be that we'll take a long hard look at our situation in America and figure out the stengths and weaknesses of our current system and work to adapt into a more efficient and beneficial system which views healthcare as, if not a right, than a pretty easy privilege to obtain.

I'm not confident we'll do any of that and we'll just continue bitching about woke, abortions, and guns. yay
 
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Now, I think we need to understand the methodology of the esteemed ValuePenguin. But, I believe the only silver lining of this event would be that we'll take a long hard look at our situation in America and figure out the stengths and weaknesses of our current system and work to adapt into a more efficient and beneficial system which views healthcare as, if not a right, than a pretty easy privilege to obtain.

I'm not confident we'll do any of that and we'll just continue bitching about woke, abortions, and guns. yay
Not enough competition
 
I don't think he is insane. What he did was wrong but he isn't crazy. We have this tendency to label these people as nuts out of hand and that isn't always the case.

From his POV (and unfortunately a greater percentage of the American public than most of us are comfortable with), he had a logical reason to do what he did. The issue is that things have devolved so much that the patina of civilization that the majority of us adhere to is showing cracks. Having an AI set up to deny claims (which can invariably lead to death and greatly reduced quality of life for people) is something that also comes off as grotesque to a bunch of people.

This goes back to an old logic question I have heard proposed w.r.t. the abortion question: If pro-life people believe that abortion is literally murder, why aren't you violently opposing abortion clinics? And the answer to that used to be that taking the life of these people made you no better than them. And for the vast majority of adherents, that logic has held firm. Someone who argued that type of opinion would be shouted down.

In the case of CEO's and corporate big-wigs, there is a narrative that these people are killing and enslaving you to make a buck. That narrative has gotten much easier to push since we have a bunch of people coming up who have a failure to launch and they need someone to blame and honestly can legitimately point to some stuff that does point back at corporations and elites and decisions made the past 30 years and find support for that narrative. It is a bad thing when people on both sides of a political aisle kind of shrug their shoulders (at a minimum) at an "elite" getting gunned down in the street.

I don't think this guy was crazy. I think he logic-ed himself into a bad decision. He didn't off himself afterwards. He didn't try to hide the murder weapon. He kept his manifesto on him. This guy wanted to get caught. He is going to be an anti-hero for a bunch of people, a modern Ted Kaczynski. I said before that we are nipping at the edges of some really bad stuff. Things can teeter back to normal or a flash in the pan event can turn everything into crazy town. We are in dangerous times and have wholly unserious people (all parties) in charge. That is a danger to us all.
But declaring anything an “insult to the intelligence of the American people” has to be his best insanity defense. 🤔
 
They are using this to push Medicare for all
Never let a crisis go to waste. That's just a simple rule.

Also, Teddy K was nucking futs. he lived in a cabin in the woods and wanted to watch the world burn to the ground.

This was targeted. To the nth degree and very personal. It's why I agree he's not crazy. This was motivated.

Also - single payor is the future and the only real force holding that back other than uninformed Americans are.....wait for it...those who have a financial interest in the status quo.

Trump could make INCREDIBLE hay with this. And lnik arms with the Progressive left. What does he care, he's just looking for folks to kiss the ring anyway.
 
Seems to me that one gun nut killing a rich CEO gets a lot more attention & angst than one gun nut killing a whole classroom of kids
 
Never let a crisis go to waste. That's just a simple rule.

Also, Teddy K was nucking futs. he lived in a cabin in the woods and wanted to watch the world burn to the ground.

This was targeted. To the nth degree and very personal. It's why I agree he's not crazy. This was motivated.

Also - single payor is the future and the only real force holding that back other than uninformed Americans are.....wait for it...those who have a financial interest in the status quo.

Trump could make INCREDIBLE hay with this. And lnik arms with the Progressive left. What does he care, he's just looking for folks to kiss the ring anyway.
The progressive left aren’t adopting the right posture. If they want us to come to the table. Fine. Bend the knee. We’re not really wedded to anything. It’s just whatever. But they have to bend the knee
 
The progressive left aren’t adopting the right posture. If they want us to come to the table. Fine. Bend the knee. We’re not really wedded to anything. It’s just whatever. But they have to bend the knee
I'm beginning to think the idea of moving to single payor isn't even fringe anymore.
 
Never let a crisis go to waste. That's just a simple rule.

Also, Teddy K was nucking futs. he lived in a cabin in the woods and wanted to watch the world burn to the ground.

This was targeted. To the nth degree and very personal. It's why I agree he's not crazy. This was motivated.

Also - single payor is the future and the only real force holding that back other than uninformed Americans are.....wait for it...those who have a financial interest in the status quo.

Trump could make INCREDIBLE hay with this. And lnik arms with the Progressive left. What does he care, he's just looking for folks to kiss the ring anyway.
The same people bitching about insurance companies profits would bitch if we quit subsidizing said insurance companies.

This program has existed since 1965…we hear and read very little about it

 
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The same people bitching about insurance companies profits would bitch if we quit subsidizing said insurance companies.

This program has existed since 1965…we hear and read very little about it

There’s too many ****ing layers. And when there’s too many ****ing layers it leads only to complexity and fraud.
 
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Also. Give and take. Back off the woke nonsense and let’s work on ACTUAL ECONOMIC ISSUES EXPERIENCED BY YOUR ****ING CONSTITUENCY
Last thing.

Weah to McKennie wearing Juventus kit. Champs league today. Dreamland for 20 year old me.

Ngl….chub
 
Also. Give and take. Back off the woke nonsense and let’s work on ACTUAL ECONOMIC ISSUES EXPERIENCED BY YOUR ****ING CONSTITUENCY
The cult is too dumb. They think Harris lost because she tried to pretend to be moderate. Had she stayed way left they’d have won. AOC and the rest are incredibly out of touch. NYC. Chicago. California coast. No idea how most of America feels
 
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The cult is too dumb. They think Harris lost because she tried to pretend to be moderate. Had she stayed way left they’d have won. AOC and the rest are incredibly out of touch. NYC. Chicago. California coast. No idea how most of America feels
AOC is a player now. Somebody needs to give her a seat at leadership table with the “understanding”. She’s earned it. Pretty incredible story really. The player on the other team you hate but know would be a good teammate.

Sometimes the weight of accountability means you learn how to share it through consensus. And she desperately needs consensus.
 
Last thing.

Weah to McKennie wearing Juventus kit. Champs league today. Dreamland for 20 year old me.

Ngl….chub
Ha isn’t that something. And it was a hell of a volley.

Lastly pep I believe made his first serious coaching mistake. He forgot legs wear out. Get old
 
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AOC is a player now. Somebody needs to give her a seat at leadership table with the “understanding”. She’s earned it. Pretty incredible story really. The player on the other team you hate but know would be a good teammate.

Sometimes the weight of accountability means you learn how to share it through consensus. And she desperately needs consensus.
I detest her. I think she’s lost in a progressive bubble and too stupid to gain awareness. She’s the fcking worst. You know who needs that role instead.

Dark Fetterman. Saying whatever the fck he believes with his unfiltered post stroke mustached ass kicking persona.

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WTF is this bullshit.
 
I detest her. I think she’s lost in a progressive bubble and too stupid to gain awareness. She’s the fcking worst. You know who needs that role instead.

Dark Fetterman. Saying whatever the fck he believes with his unfiltered post stroke mustached ass kicking persona.

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Yeah. Probably better.
 
Agreed. Something had to have happened to him. Total psychotic breakdown.

Digression...

PBS Frontline has a show I watched last night about the Lewistown ME mass shooter. Bottom line is that everyone knew he was nuts and thought he was dangerous, but no one (family, military commanders, police, medicos) were willing or able to intervene.

 
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