Biden and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
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of course they are. that comes as zero surprise. the dem party is a total disaster. not unlike the republican party. we're spiraling the drain
You mean simply for optics? Or do you mean that there are no other viable candidates? The perception of Harris seems so dim that I can't see how the Democrats could be hurt by going around her to support an alternative candidate. But this should be done sooner rather than later so any faux anger has a chance to fade.
Trump: addled, demonstrably evil, insanely crooked, habitual liar
Biden: maybe more addled, definitely less evil, less crooked, and less of a habitual liar
Picking Biden is easy, and no I'm not saying he never lies, is never evil, and never crooked. All of those are an order of magnitude, at least, from Trump, though
So... even if he is more of a mental vegetable (and I'm not convinced that Trump isn't equally bad), my choice is Biden.
Do I wish I had a beter choice? Absolutely.
Biden: maybe more addled, definitely less evil, less crooked, and less of a habitual liar
Picking Biden is easy, and no I'm not saying he never lies, is never evil, and never crooked. All of those are an order of magnitude, at least, from Trump, though
So... even if he is more of a mental vegetable (and I'm not convinced that Trump isn't equally bad), my choice is Biden.
Do I wish I had a beter choice? Absolutely.
Sooner would definitely be better. But it's so late now, that it's hard to add new candidates in most states. So if Biden steps aside, he still probably wins the delegates, and then what? The only thing I can think of is a vote for Biden is actually a vote for Harris.
We need some good ol' smoke filled rooms. Our primary system has failed us.
So much for the idea that Merrick Garland was protecting Biden. Hur was independent and so is Smith.
Can't they architect a brokered convention? Have Biden withdraw from the race close to the convention, then simply select another candidate in the proverbial smoke filled room. What stops them from doing this? I think it'd be the best path forward.
that's your far left partisanship speaking. your inability to be objective is why you write things like above. trump is standing trial for four cases. link the motions for a competency hearing. link a sua sponte competency eval. finally disavow your partisanship and open your eyes. think. it's not a coincidence biden is sequestered. canceling super bowl interviews. zero chance he'll debate. prescreened questions with scripted answers he tries to read verbatim. his five minute attpt to disavow his mental decline just evidenced same by botching the presidents.
Outrage over what? Biden getting dumped? Or Harris getting snubbed? Either way it would have to be a net gain, even if a few angry Harris supporters (are there any?) stayed home.
The entire country is begging for a reasonable alternative. The party that ponies one up will win. And the Democrats are uniquely positioned to pull that off.
Look it's not something I want to be true, but Harris is set up to be the first woman president and she's black. A lot of people aren't going to like her getting skipped.
Personally I'd love it. I think she's a bad candidate and she'd be a bad president. Just saying the party is playing with fire by trying to go around her.
I understand. I guess I simply see the probable resulting outrage as potentially more performative than actual outrage. I think the sense of relief among the Silent Majority would greatly outweigh the histrionics of the few. But maybe I'm wrong.
Willdog. I've had this thought running through my head lately. I look at Fani Willis down in Georgia appointing her lover as special prosecutor as they partake in infidelity and travel the world on taxpayer dime, complete breach of ethics. Cori Bush, hiring her lover to be her body guard, very similar situation. Marilyn Mosby is probably going to prison for mortgage fraud, she was a real loud mouth as Baltimore DA curing the summer of love.
This local story just outside Chicago is my favorite. Mayor of a small 20K town pulls down a 300K salary, with luxury trips on the tax payer dime.
We've had a major spat of these types of unethical (even illegal) cases recently.
What do all these individuals have in common?
You know that socce....... um, that game you play kicking a ball with your feet only? That word that gets you cpurt fines .... That I also hate..
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I like her and Harris would make a great Potus, no more racist white men who wants to maintain power from POC.No more lies,disrespecting women, white nationalists, no more good people. I would love for her to get a chance better than the gop.
Do you really want me to state all the dirt not just trump, but all the kickbacks ,land grabs,trips, women. That your white guys in office have done please. VP Harris is honest,not perfect.but so much better than what the gop has to offer plus she is willing to work with the GOP to get things done, the gop can not claim so.
This is the correct answer, but would require some personal political sacrifices to be made and any number of agendas being put aside to do what's best for the country. We know the Pubs aren't capable of anything of the sort, and I can't imagine the Dems pulling it off either.
That's a nice wish. But for that to happen Biden would have to choose to do so on his own. Nobody forces out a sitting president that will have the delegates secured going into the convention. So unless Jill convinces him to step down (which I don't see).... They are just going to have to roll with him.
As long as the Republicans insist on nominating Trump, at least he'll have a shot.
I was assuming that he'd step down on his own, for personal reasons. I agree that he could not be forced out. That's why I think only the Democrats could pull it off. Trump is obviously not stepping down. But I can't believe that Jill Biden couldn't see the personal benefit to having Joe bow out. Unless she just really gets off on White House life, which I suppose is possible.
Let's say Biden pulls an LBJ and drops out tomorrow. Is there a consensus candidate that the Dems could get behind? I don't want to see a half dozen people vying for the nomination and dinging each other up while Trump just skates along.
Of course there isn't. It would be a hot mess of people.
This is an absolute shitshow for the Dem party. I'm definitely no expert on elections, delegates, etc., but I know it's a lot more complicated than someone simply declaring a brokered (or contested) convention this summer. Pledged delegates "must reflect the sentiments of those who elected them," and the primary ballots are already set in stone for the Super Tuesday primaries and other primaries later in March. Newsom, Whitmer, Kelly, etc. aren't on those ballots now and can't be added later as the deadline for filing has already passed. Also, it's important to note that none of the people whose names are being floated have campaign organizations in place, which is an expensive, labor-intensive and time-consuming process.
Again I'm no expert, but my layman's understanding is that the Democratic Party has two (and only two) options if they're serious about promoting someone other than Biden: 1) Immediately rally around another candidate and quickly mobilize a write-in campaign for the new guy or woman with respect to the upcoming primaries; or 2) since filing deadlines for independent candidates are much less stringent, the party could promote someone who runs as an independent. That would be kind of crazy and unprecedented, but these are crazy times.
Both of these options seem like longshots. By the way, I don't know that they have additional viable options even if Biden were to announce tomorrow that he's changed his mind and is no longer running. As others have noted, millions would perceive Harris as the heir apparent over the strong objection of millions of other Democrats. You're then looking at a completely fractured party just months before the election.
I'm not sure what they can do other than hope Trump is tried and convicted on the election subversion case prior to November (polls show that a conviction could very well be a game-changer) or that he shits his pants on a stage somewhere. If you're keeping score, the criminal charges tally is Trump 91, Biden 0. Maybe Biden would have fared better if the Special Counsel had recommended criminal charges yesterday instead of saying Biden's memory is bad. Crazy times.
Again I'm no expert, but my layman's understanding is that the Democratic Party has two (and only two) options if they're serious about promoting someone other than Biden: 1) Immediately rally around another candidate and quickly mobilize a write-in campaign for the new guy or woman with respect to the upcoming primaries; or 2) since filing deadlines for independent candidates are much less stringent, the party could promote someone who runs as an independent. That would be kind of crazy and unprecedented, but these are crazy times.
Both of these options seem like longshots. By the way, I don't know that they have additional viable options even if Biden were to announce tomorrow that he's changed his mind and is no longer running. As others have noted, millions would perceive Harris as the heir apparent over the strong objection of millions of other Democrats. You're then looking at a completely fractured party just months before the election.
I'm not sure what they can do other than hope Trump is tried and convicted on the election subversion case prior to November (polls show that a conviction could very well be a game-changer) or that he shits his pants on a stage somewhere. If you're keeping score, the criminal charges tally is Trump 91, Biden 0. Maybe Biden would have fared better if the Special Counsel had recommended criminal charges yesterday instead of saying Biden's memory is bad. Crazy times.
If Biden drops out and refuses to accept the nomination before the convention, they'll most likely have a symbolic vote which nominates him, which will mean nothing. They'll then take turns nominating "favorite sons" and "favorite daughters" of their states for consideration. Then they have rounds of votes and move to remove all but the top so many candidates at some point and then continue until they have a nominee with the most votes. Then the nominee can accept and nominate a VP for voting. Or they can move and approve that whomever gets the second most votes is the VP. They can make their rules in this way throughout a contested convention. This is how I remember it from what I've read about the past. They didn't have primaries in the old days. This is how Lincoln was nominated.
I said I think she will run. You’re buddies are the ones saying no.
I said I’d buy you a drink
You said thanks, I’ll have a double.
It may be lonely at the top
But it’s a bitch at the botttom.
C'mon, stoll, this is just silly. It's the angle the wing nuts are taking who claim that Barack wants to be the man behind the curtain. You're smarter than that. Don't get suckered in.
I have to ask, are you getting this from your new bride?
I think Goat is right on point with the situation. If the Dems talk Biden into stepping down, and I think they should, Harris is the nominee. It’s way too messy any other way. She could run with Sherrod Brown or another working class hero and do quite well against Trump. She wouldn’t be the first POTUS that lacks gravitas.
I am not repeating some wing nut talking point. I don’t think Barrack wants to be President again. I don’t think there’s some grand plan for her to come in and save the day. I think if Michelle decided to run she would beat the hell out of any republican that she ran against.
Edit and i think she has a big ego that could possibly lead her to run.
Why? What would possibly make you hold such opinions about these people you don't know?
Why can’t I believe she might run? How many people have we heard say they weren’t running and then they ran? You have any doubt she would win?
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