Biden and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

[Bowlmania]

Can he recover from this or does someone need to quickly have a hard talk with him? Or with Jill?

Who (other than Harris) is ready to immediately step up? I'm not saying I'm fans of all of these people, but I think possible/likely candidates are Newsom, Whitmer and Mark Kelly. Beshear is probably on the B-list. Shapiro is still light on experience. Who else?

I was thinking earlier, "Damn, it's late for a change." But there's actually precedent. On March 31, 1968, incumbent LBJ shocked the nation with "I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office–the Presidency of your country. Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President." Things quickly went bad for the Dems, though. RFK was assassinated in June, Humphrey lost to Nixon in November and the rest, as they say, is history.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Old mush for brains is fvcking cooked.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Can he recover from this or does someone need to quickly have a hard talk with him? Or with Jill?

Who (other than Harris) is ready to immediately step up? I'm not saying I'm fans of all of these people, but I think possible/likely candidates are Newsom, Whitmer and Mark Kelly. Beshear is probably on the B-list. Shapiro is still light on experience. Who else?

I was thinking earlier, "Damn, it's late for a change." But there's actually precedent. On March 31, 1968, incumbent LBJ shocked the nation with "I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office–the Presidency of your country. Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President." Things quickly went bad for the Dems, though. RFK was assassinated in June, Humphrey lost to Nixon in November and the rest, as they say, is history.

Kelly might be okay. I watched a documentary on him and his twin. It was good. He seems. Normal.

 

[Bowlmania]

Old mush for brains is fvcking cooked.

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So who then?

I just jumped on. If someone else already has a similar thread going, my apologies.

 

[UncleMark]

So who then?

I just jumped on. If someone else already has a similar thread going, my apologies.

I threw out Newsom, Shapiro, and Manchin elsewhere. Sinema as VP for the fun factor.

 

[stollcpa]

Can he recover from this or does someone need to quickly have a hard talk with him? Or with Jill?

Who (other than Harris) is ready to immediately step up? I'm not saying I'm fans of all of these people, but I think possible/likely candidates are Newsom, Whitmer and Mark Kelly. Beshear is probably on the B-list. Shapiro is still light on experience. Who else?

I was thinking earlier, "Damn, it's late for a change." But there's actually precedent. On March 31, 1968, incumbent LBJ shocked the nation with "I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office–the Presidency of your country. Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President." Things quickly went bad for the Dems, though. RFK was assassinated in June, Humphrey lost to Nixon in November and the rest, as they say, is history.

Don’t you think Obama is a possibility?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Newsom

 

[stollcpa]

I threw out Newsom, Shapiro, and Manchin elsewhere. Sinema as VP for the fun factor.

I could vote for Manchin and Sinema.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Manchin

Too moderate to ever get buy in from Dems

 

[Bowlmania]

I threw out Newsom, Shapiro, and Manchin elsewhere. Sinema as VP for the fun factor.

Shapiro has a bright future, but I don't know that a Jewish candidate has a chance this election cycle.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Can he recover from this or does someone need to quickly have a hard talk with him? Or with Jill?

Who (other than Harris) is ready to immediately step up? I'm not saying I'm fans of all of these people, but I think possible/likely candidates are Newsom, Whitmer and Mark Kelly. Beshear is probably on the B-list. Shapiro is still light on experience. Who else?

I was thinking earlier, "Damn, it's late for a change." But there's actually precedent. On March 31, 1968, incumbent LBJ shocked the nation with "I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office–the Presidency of your country. Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President." Things quickly went bad for the Dems, though. RFK was assassinated in June, Humphrey lost to Nixon in November and the rest, as they say, is history.

The problem as I see it is this:

1. If it's Harris, she's a bad candidate.
2. If it's not Harris, a lot of the base gets pissed.

What should have happened was at the very beginning, people other than just Dean Phillips should have launched campaigns. If we had a whole pool of alternatives, maybe the press could have spent some time actually talking about the alternatives, instead of the entire focus being solely on the fact that there should be some alternatives.

 

[Bowlmania]

Don’t you think Obama is a possibility?

Michelle? No.

 

[stollcpa]

Michelle? No.

Why not?

 

[Bowlmania]

Why not?

She's never held elected office or served in the military. We've only had one of those and it didn't turn out so well.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Why not?

I could be wrong, but I think she's made it very clear about a bazillion times that she absolutely does not want to run for office.

 

[IU_Hickory]

I threw out Newsom, Shapiro, and Manchin elsewhere. Sinema as VP for the fun factor.

Manchin wouldn't be in my top 10.

Hopefully Biden steps aside but won't get my hopes up yet

 

[Bowlmania]

Manchin wouldn't be in my top 10.

Hopefully Biden steps aside but won't get my hopes up yet

I think the pressure is going to quickly build.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

She's never held elected office or served in the military. We've only had one of those and it didn't turn out so well.

I think we've had three, haven't we?

 

[stollcpa]

I could be wrong, but I think she's made it very clear about a bazillion times that she absolutely does not want to run for office.

I’ve heard her say no. If it’s dangled in front of her and Trump is all that’s between her and the Oval Office, no might become yes.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I’ve heard her say no. If it’s dangled in front of her and Trump is all that’s between her and the Oval Office, no might become yes.

Why? She's got a great life. Good family. Money. Public loves her, but she has access to privacy. Why would she ever want to give that up to play politics?

 

[Bowlmania]

I think we've had three, haven't we?

Who other than Trump? Again, neither prior elected office nor military service.

 

[stollcpa]

Why? She's got a great life. Good family. Money. Public loves her, but she has access to privacy. Why would she ever want to give that up to play politics?

EGO

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

The problem as I see it is this:

1. If it's Harris, she's a bad candidate.
2. If it's not Harris, a lot of the base gets pissed.

What should have happened was at the very beginning, people other than just Dean Phillips should have launched campaigns. If we had a whole pool of alternatives, maybe the press could have spent some time actually talking about the alternatives, instead of the entire focus being solely on the fact that there should be some alternatives.

It wouldn’t have mattered. The press wasn’t going to abandon a sitting liberal President.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Who other than Trump? Again, neither prior elected office nor military service.

It’s only trump

 

[mcmurtry66]

Shame Laura Kelly is so old. Another IU VP

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Shapiro has a bright future, but I don't know that a Jewish candidate has a chance this election cycle.

The far left will probably assassinate him

 

[Bowlmania]

It’s only trump

Yeah, Eisenhower never held office before the presidency but obviously had a distinguished military career.

 

[Bowlmania]

The far left will probably assassinate him

Jesus, dude. Don't say that.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Who other than Trump? Again, neither prior elected office nor military service.

Taft and Hoover?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Taft and Hoover?

Wasn’t Taft the only want to be chief Justice too

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It wouldn’t have mattered. The press wasn’t going to abandon a sitting liberal President.

Not asking for abandonment. Just a little name recognition. If serious people had at least launched campaigns, they'd be sitting pretty right now. And they wouldn't have needed to attack Biden. They could have played it the way Ramaswamy played the GOP campaign.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Wasn’t Taft the only want to be chief Justice too

Yeah, but that was after he was Prez, and also isn't elected, obviously.

 

[Bowlmania]

Taft and Hoover?

My bad. You're right. Just looked it up. Taft was Solicitor General and Hoover was Director of the US Food Administration, but those aren't/weren't elected offices.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Not asking for abandonment. Just a little name recognition. If serious people had at least launched campaigns, they'd be sitting pretty right now. And they wouldn't have needed to attack Biden. They could have played it the way Ramaswamy played the GOP campaign.

There was opposition. NC wouldn’t even let Dean on the ballot. Manchin is doing it. He needs to pounce

 

[zeke4ahs]

Why not?

Because she has zero interest in politics. She hates it.

 

[stollcpa]

Because she has zero interest in politics. She hates it.

Really, first woman president and black to boot. I bet she might go for it.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Really, first woman president and black to boot. I bet she might go for it.

Nope. She didn’t want Barack to run. She didn’t want him to go into politics in the first place. I’ll bet any amount of money she will never run for elected office.

 

[stollcpa]

Nope. She didn’t want Barack to run. She didn’t want him to go into politics in the first place. I’ll bet any amount of money she will never run for elected office.

How many acres of farmland you have to put up?

 

[mcmurtry66]

My bad. You're right. Just looked it up. Taft was Solicitor General and Hoover was Director of the US Food Administration, but those aren't/weren't elected offices.

The current climate that combo experience may actually be an impediment