This should be “too little, too late”
It says they were killed because of an “occupation”. They were killed in Iraq, not Iran.
3 Americans soldiers killed and 25 wounded in Jordan
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It says they were killed because of an “occupation”. They were killed in Iraq, not Iran.
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Correct. Tower 22 base in Jordan.
“Suspension of attacks said to be linked to negotiations over a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq”
Nah. I’m just an effective and honest communicator. Biden can’t get anything right.
But I do agree with another Democrat.
Nah. I’m just an effective and honest communicator. Biden can’t get anything right.
But I do agree with another Democrat.
"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden
Well I disagree. Creepy uncle joe has been the best sniffer every. He can tell Clinton, "Hold my beer." And as far as a good buddy to the folks who burn down our cities, assassinate police officers, and support the pile of body parts filling the dumpsters behind those planned unparenthood abortion factories, he's by far their best supporter.
Highly respect Gates in spite of his being old (80 years) and what these days is disparagingly referred to as an "elite" (CIA Director, Secretary of State, and worse of all, College President).
OMG
Interesting--he's an IU guy and wanted to like him, but it turned out he was as bad as he claimed Biden was, he was every bit as bad. He was Bill Casey's deputy director the CIA and got caught up in the Iran-Contra deal a bit. Under Casey and Gates you saw the politicizing of intelligence began in earnest (although I think Allen Dulles was right up there). Lawrence Walsh didn't prosecute Gates, but he thought about it, and he was forced to withdraw his nomination for CIA director in 87'
He totally misread and got the Soviet Union's collapse all wrong. He referred to Gorbachev as a "phony" and didn't take seriously the reforms that were going on--despite clear intelligence that the Soviets/Russia were trying to make reforms, but by his own admission, his dogma impacted his judgment.
Gates also tried and did succeed in undermining Obama who wanted less troop increases in Iraq and Afghanistan. Ultimately, Obama won out, and even Gates notes in his book that Gates' ultimately adopted a policy on Afghanistan that was "pretty close to Joe Biden's". Oddly enough, specifically said "I was in agreement with Vice-President Biden on most issues, including the raid against Bin Laden and as to President Mubarak and the Arab Spring".
As to his comment in his book discussing Biden, when asked about it he said "well I was really referring to the 70s and 90s', and really the only major disagreement was the aid package for the South Vietnamese when we were withdrawing."
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Mark Milton...Wow, very impressive. Sounds as if you know what you are talking about.
Come to the Cooler more often.
Smoke and mirrors my man 😆
I do like history and even loved reading it as a kid. I took a speed reading course when I was in high school. Paid great dividends to reading for pleasure.
BTW, if anyone hasn't read The Wager yet, it is fascinating and a great read.
I was a huge fan of Bill Casey as a young man (Gates' boss). In theory, during the dark times of the Cold War, Casey could have been revered forever. OSS experience, knew how the game was played, BUT..... Iran Contra happened. It is a shame, super smart guy who made a mess out of things at the very end.
This is why you don't telegraph things. And more importantly, why you don't wait. We are going to strike a bunch of empty bases?
You really think they never expected a US response until Biden said something. "We will attack and kill Americans and they will never strike back" was their plan?
Had a response come quickly, there would have been a good chance of damage and casualties. You really think waiting days gives us any hope to actually hit something with the people and equipment we want?
They’re long into hiding already.
Good. A revolutionary army hiding under their beds is the best kind of revolutionary army. We have degraded their capability 100%, something we never could have done with an immediate strike.
In that area, there are dozens of splinter groups (remember Monty Python's Life of Brian and the Judean People's Front). Hitting the wrong group wasn't going to be much of a deterrence. We had to make sure to hit the correct group. That usually doesn't come 30 seconds after.
We will hit them at the time and place of OUR choosing, that's what I would sell as Biden. If that's 6 months from now, that's 6 months from now. Same as with Afghanistan long ago. We could have launched cruise missiles on 9/11, we didn't. This group will want to get back out into the field sooner rather than later. We will have opportunities. Our play is the long game.
That could be interesting, but only if: A) their factions actually stay in hiding and don’t launch additional attacks (Houthis already launched multiple since) and B) we actually make significant, proportional strikes.
months is a long time to wait to make retaliatory strikes. How do you think others will view the response if we wait several months?
MM, had forgotten about Bill Casey and Oliver North.
Had a friend who was a staunch former Marine and a Democrat. He was shown on television appearing on the Circle in Indianapolis obtaining petition signatures supporting Ollie North during the Iran/Contra controversy.
Word among Democrats about this spread fast, and his bid to be County Chair for his party completely collapsed.
Asked him about this episode and he replied, "Guess I am more of a Marine than a Democrat".
Sometimes there is a tendency to make an immediate rash observation/judgment/conclusion. There are many things that are said and done on both sides that are political gamesmanship that are likely far different than what is really happening. I would surmise over the years that what information people are getting in classified briefings would likely be in stark contrast to what is being chirped about on the various news shows. I'm willing to be patient.
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I think the Ollie North wounds still run deep for some. He admitted to violating the Boland Amendment, admitted to shredding documents (although did so he claimed at the direction of Robert McFarlane), etc. All this after Carter and Reagan convinced congress to scale back the Church Amendments on CIA/Government interference with a foreign nation. Communism may have justified a lot of actions/responses, but wasn't sufficient an excuse to break the clear pronouncements of the Boland Amendment, which was pretty bipartisan if I remember correctly
Hence why you remind them the apocalypse is coming.
We don't have to wait on all strikes, there is that Iranian spy ship. Frankly I'm not sure I wouldn't send in a Seal team, grab a Houthi missile and fire it at that ship. It would probably miss, but there would be great poetic justice if it hit.
there is no way of knowing if he is lying or telling the truth:
And among post-9/11 veterans who deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, glioblastoma occurs at a rate 26% higher than that found in the general population, according to calculations based on Department of Veterans Affairs and National Institutes of Health data.
Fair and well reasoned points Mark. Patience is a virtue, but one that I never acquired.
Weird, I am patient except when it comes to football recruiting. I want the commits NOW!
As I understand it, mostly. There is some conflicting ideas on depleted uranium for veterans. It seems civilians who have been exposed far longer are more likely to have DU issues.
And Beau Biden was likely nowhere near burn pits or DU.
You are probably right on that. But the death has given Biden the impetus to push for better treatment of veterans with cancer, and that's good. My brother had a son with Spina Bifida, my brother had been in Vietnam. For a long time, the government refused all blame for Agent Orange. We need to get better at recognizing it. So I am sympathetic to anything that helps out veterans with conditions caused by their service.
There is a very good probability that Biden's cancer was NOT caused by military service, even if he was exposed it would be far from certain. Believe me, due to my brother's experience with PST and AO, I am very sympathetic to anyone's claims. Biden should be more careful, but I know I can't prove the AO and the PST came from Vietnam for Brent but I am certain it did. I'm not claiming any impartiality here. He should be more careful, but I'm not going to blast him for it.
actually, he was. He served in Iraq for much of 2009 at Camp Victory in Baghdad and Balad Air Force Base Both bases used large burn pits.
Whether there is a causation link, no clue, but he definitely was near them
I agree with almost everything you say. But I’m going to be a little harsher on him. Saying he should be careful is something you’re saying more of a “he’s probably wrong on root cause” perspective.
But it’s also selfish and borderline awful to try to “me too” parents who just lost a son or daughter to enemy violence.
Every FOB or base I was on used burn pits. But the JAG officers were nowhere near them. That’s my point. Burn pits are objectively stupid, and using soldiers to have to manually feed burn pits and stir flaming shit should be a criminal offense. I’m pretty sure Beau Biden didn’t have to do that.
