Trump even had an ad contrasting Biden in 2020 to just before in 2016. The difference was absolutely massive. They all knew Joe was completely senile back in 2020 they just didn't care.
Debate fallout
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Stop it. Nobody is buying that bullshit besides leftist. Biden wasn’t capable in 2020.
Stop. We have differing opinions. Your opinion isn't a fact, and neither is mine. I watched the debate in 2020 and was satisfied that Biden was getting old and not the same as when he was a young guy, but still fit enough and he did better in the debate than Trump. He beat the most unfit (in my opinion - for many reasons) person ever to run for the Presidency. He couldn't have beaten most of the other choices, but he could beat Trump and he did. That part is a fact. Their condition at the time is opinion.
There should be no reason to continue to argue about opinions. I assume your opinion is an honest one and so is mine, but they're both opinions that cannot be proven to be facts either way. We have way too many arguments over opinions on the basketball board where many people don't know the difference between informed speculation and opinions, uninformed speculation and opinions, and facts. We have the same situation here and we should try to do better.
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The thing about opinions is that some are shit and deserve to be called out as such.
Biden appeared quite capable in 2020. The last four years have not been kind, but in 2020, he looked like he could do it.
You'd think Scarborough would be ashamed to show his face after the debate.
How about Mayorkus? I am paraphrasing, he says you really have to prepare for meetings with Biden. He so sharp with probing questions. 😂
I consider Mayorkas to be like an abused spouse. All he wants to do is please his boss and will say and do anything he's told.
Saw that. I think some are too big on purpose to hurt biden. Like i dont think trump in up 10 in arizona but probably like 5 or 6. Regardless its clear they want biden out but they cannot do it likely this late. It is not nearly as easy as some think it is to do and joe i mean jill doesnt want to drop out.
no joe is a paid propagangist now and mika is a hardcore liberal whos dad was i cant remember but some big democrat. Joe cannot go home to mika without saying or doing things like that.
You stop it. It's a fact that he hid in his basement during the 2020 campaign, and that the MSM let him gat away with it.
He's looks and talks like a mixture of psychopath and sociopath. I defy anyone to listen to him respond to questions about the 3 women recently killed by illegals and then say he gives a flying f***.
Some more historical comps. Here's Perot's VP candidate Admiral Stockdale at the VP debate in '92:
Here's SNL's treatment of him:
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Here's SNL's treatment of him:
Watch Saturday Night Live Clip: Joyride with Perot - NBC.com
Watch Saturday Night Live highlight: Joyride with Perot - NBC.com
Some more historical comps. Here's Perot's VP candidate Admiral Stockdale at the VP debate in '92:
Here's SNL's treatment of him:
Watch Saturday Night Live Clip: Joyride with Perot - NBC.com
Watch Saturday Night Live highlight: Joyride with Perot - NBC.com
Phil was the perfect person to play Stockdale.
He was the perfect person to play anybody, really. Criminally underrated comic actor. One of my favorite underappreciated performances:
The walk. The voice. The line delivery. The stare he gives Meyers when he starts talking during his presentation. It's so good.
It was at the height of COVID. It was reasonable to limit his exposure, but it is not a fact that he "hid in his basement." Your opinion is not a fact, and neither is mine. It is a fact that made appearances and he debated. Most people believed he looked well enough and did well enough to be President.
I don't get why the hard-core Trump supporters want to go back to 2020 and claim Biden was in dire condition then (that's objectively false, incidentally). Trump lost to him. He lost by 7 million in the popular vote, and it was a loss in the EC. I'd think Trump supporters wouldn't want to make people believe that Trump faced a walking cadaver and lost fairly soundly. Doesn't exactly make Trump look like a great candidate, does it?
It keeps their narrative that it was stolen alive...
My own memory is foggy...but I remember that really only staunch MAGA supporters thought Trump won that 2020 debate. Many of my own GOP friends, that were fairly ardent Trump supporters, admitted Biden beat him...most quickly pivoting to blaming the moderators and/or the questions.
Biden was declining at the time, but he was functional enough to beat Trump in that debate. And more than enough people were o.k. enough with this mental and physical state, to vote Trump out of office. It wasn't stolen. Hundreds of courts, many of them led by GOP appointed judges, have clearly and definitively said as much.
But, when you lose, and you're weak AF, you look for excuses rather than solutions.
Mika's dad was Polish and an advisor to Jimmy Carter, I think. National Security Advisor? He was in the news about every day back then. Zbigneau Brzesnki (or some such spelling).
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The way Trump is remaining completely silent while the Democrats self-destruct is kinda scary; it's like that scene in Jurassic Park where the velociraptor uses the door handle.
Biden Must Resign
If the president wants to protect American democracy, he should hand over his office to Kamala Harris.
12 days after returning from Europe and now jet lag is a problem. These are lying pieces of sh!t. I don’t want to hear this bunch talk about anyone else lying.
Your memory is foggy alright..peasoup foggy..
Buyden hid in his basement for the last year, knowing that the excess fake ballots were already
at the printers.
Your suckass devotion to the Cadaver in Chief is laughable.
Hundreds of courts....??
You take your meds this morning?
He said today that he needs more rest. Perhaps they should switch. Let Harris be candidate for president and Biden vice president.
There were two debates in 2020 and polls showed that most thought Biden won both. Fact. I don’t get why you guys want to claim Biden was already gone in 2020 because he won both debates and the election. Makes Trump look like a huge loser.
Trumps angry, fight every breath, approach lost those debates. Joe didn't win those with a great performance, Donny totally blew them simply due to being WAY too combative. It isn't like biden had a great performance, hell he could have been asleep and still won. Trump was that bad, making the terrible miscalculation to go all Mike Tyson fighting the wind. It was stoooopid on his part.
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