What about Jon Harbagh? I herd on ESPN that he might get fired from the ravens.He has no business being a head coach. This much is obvious. He had 2 years that all he needed was 6 wins to maintain and he crapped the bed.
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What about Jon Harbagh? I herd on ESPN that he might get fired from the ravens.He has no business being a head coach. This much is obvious. He had 2 years that all he needed was 6 wins to maintain and he crapped the bed.
You guys sure can fire a coach real easy but who are you going to replace him with that you know would actually come here. You really think a proven coach would ever come here where the fan base is pathetic and the stadium is half empty after half time. I don't care one way or the other if we replace the coach but I have seen how changing coaches every few years has worked at IU so that is not the answer as well. Lets just say an Urban Myer type left their current job and in a couple of years we had an opening do you really think that type of guy would come here. We will never get that type of coach so whoever we get will not be a guarantee home run hire so it is a crap shoot either way.
I am telling you Meyer would not come here for $50 million. He walked away from a boat load of money @ UF to return home. I believe there is only one other job he may consider and that would be possibly Norte Dame and I am not sure about that one anymore.This is too easy an argument to make Scott. I ask YOU why you think they would not come? You mentioned Meyer. Let’s say he was healthy and wanted to continue to coach. Why would he not come here? Are those reasons within our control? Are you telling me a $50 million dollar a year contract would not persuade him to come to IU? If the answer is “Well ya, for 50 million who wouldn’t?” Then you would be wrong in your assessment. If he comes for 50 would he come for 40? 30?How about 20? 10?
Go through the USA Today coaches/assistants pay charts. Everyone of them I pulled up left somewhere to be somewhere and got paid more money. Provide the money for a coach AND staff and we don’t have this argument each year for 50 years.
So, no, you didn't read my post. Nervermind!There are no delusions of grandeur on my behalf. I know that the Indiana head football job is one of the toughest jobs in college sports. You have a very small fan base of true fans. From what I see on here they are not very football savvy. They are not not even close to as passionate about football as they are about basketball and yes there was a great deal of success in the past for the hoops team. But even during the lean years post Coach Knight era. The crowds did not drop off for long and continued to support the team and were able to help attract big time players. I do believe high school football in Indiana is better than most people give it credit for there are some really outstanding players that played in Indiana however the state does not have anywhere the number of D1 players as Florida or California or Georgia or Texas. And the really good players don’t stay in state they go to Michigan or Ohio State or even Clemson. So you can’t keep your best players home. Hopefully Sampson James stays with IU. IU has put together a decent pipeline from Tampa now we want to fire the coach before they get to mature. They as I continue to say play in the toughest division in college football. The fans want a winner but aren’t willing to do what it takes. Support the team good or bad. Support the coaches give them a chance to coach kids they bring in. Must have more realistic expectations. This was not a year to expect a 7 or 8 win season with all of the losses on defense. You had a three qb competition in spring and fall camp. You had receivers coming off major injuries. You lose your running just before the first game.The strength of your team was supposed to be the offensive line which was your weakness the year before.i don’t know how people expected so much more from this team this year. Yes expectations should be for 6 maybe 7 next year.
You can tell if a program is improving beyond just the W-L record. Can anyone seriously assert that Tom Allen has improved the football program? Does the team get better over the course of the season? Are stupid penalties and errors kept to a minimum? Are players developed?
I don’t even get angry at Allen. He has been given limited resources to succeed and has done about as well as can be expected. I know even he has been frustrated at the lack of administration support. The blame goes higher up the food chain.
He would come if he thought he could recruit and win here. Our AD and administration would not give him the impression that they would support building a winner. Glass fired a HC that Meyer snapped up immediately. Would Glass support Meyer hiring a coach with Wilson's recent history?I am telling you Meyer would not come here for $50 million. He walked away from a boat load of money @ UF to return home. I believe there is only one other job he may consider and that would be possibly Norte Dame and I am not sure about that one anymore.
One reason is the pathetic fan base and another he would just wait for the best opportunity and .This is too easy an argument to make Scott. I ask YOU why you think they would not come? You mentioned Meyer. Let’s say he was healthy and wanted to continue to coach. Why would he not come here? Are those reasons within our control? Are you telling me a $50 million dollar a year contract would not persuade him to come to IU? If the answer is “Well ya, for 50 million who wouldn’t?” Then you would be wrong in your assessment. If he comes for 50 would he come for 40? 30?How about 20? 10?
Go through the USA Today coaches/assistants pay charts. Everyone of them I pulled up left somewhere to be somewhere and got paid more money. Provide the money for a coach AND staff and we don’t have this argument each year for 50 years.
Okay, a college football insider I am not. So, I am curious: What administrative support is missing? CTA is being paid a competitive salary, his assistant coaches are being paid competitive salaries. His recruiting budget is large enough for him to travel anywhere to meet with recruits. We have gussied-up Memorial Stadium. We have added much-needed facilities, like a world-class weight room, new meeting rooms and new tutoring/study rooms. We have hired an athletic dietitian to help plan team meals. We have brought in world-class and nationally renowned strength and conditioning coaches. The football program's technology is up-to-date with the rest of the football world. Next year, we are remodeling the locker room.You can tell if a program is improving beyond just the W-L record. Can anyone seriously assert that Tom Allen has improved the football program? Does the team get better over the course of the season? Are stupid penalties and errors kept to a minimum? Are players developed?
I don’t even get angry at Allen. He has been given limited resources to succeed and has done about as well as can be expected. I know even he has been frustrated at the lack of administration support. The blame goes higher up the food chain.
Well, granted. But I was referring to administrative support.Better coaching.
Stop it! What did you think the crowd was like after our 3-0 start? Did you sit in the stands and notice it wasn't a heavy MSU crowd, but IU people showing up to see if they could beat MSU and go to 4-0?One reason is the pathetic fan base and another he would just wait for the best opportunity and .
Stop it! What did you think the crowd was like after our 3-0 start? Did you sit in the stands and notice it wasn't a heavy MSU crowd, but IU people showing up to see if they could beat MSU and go to 4-0?
I noticed. I also noticed those people didn't come back after a terrible performance in a game MSU tried very hard to hand to us. The worse performance against Iowa was almost enough for me to stay away.
I haven't decided about season tickets for next year. I miss spending Saturdays doing chores around the house. Instead, I watched a mostly uninspired team and sideline play like they had no chance to win.
Does that make me pathetic or just finally getting smarter about my choices for next year?
Would you have fired these coaches after two years?Kirk Farentz record after 2 years 4-19
Pat Fitzerald record after 2 years 10-14
Tom Allen Record after 2 years 10-14
All had no HC experience before their current HC job and struggled after 2 years. Not saying Allen will turn out to be like those coaches but those two were given a chance to succeed which Allen should get that chance as well.
During the Bucket game, I found myself telling my wife: "When an opponent prepares to play Indiana, they know they don't have to bring their "A" game because Indiana will beat themselves."This is exactly right. Indiana fans WANT to support this team. They absolutely do. But when things start looking good and the excitement is there, as sure as day follows night, Indiana will come out and s*!t the bed. MSU, Iowa, Penn St., Purdue...take your pick. That would be where dynamic coaching comes in. Motivate the players. Instill unmatched discipline. Demand better execution. Prepare them to win. But Indiana doesn't have that. And here we are.
No because I feel coaches needs 4 years to see what they can doWould you have fired these coaches after two years?
Lee Corso: 3-19
Cam Cameron: 6-16
Kevin Wilson: 5-19
I have to admit that your position sounds fair and seems reasonable. But this program is in desperate need of a positive trend. And, at this point, I'll take anything that is a positive trend. I am having a hard time finding one. And, to me, that is why your point sounds fair and seems reasonable but, in this particular case, may not be either.No because I feel coaches needs 4 years to see what they can do
This is too easy an argument to make Scott. I ask YOU why you think they would not come? You mentioned Meyer. Let’s say he was healthy and wanted to continue to coach. Why would he not come here? Are those reasons within our control? Are you telling me a $50 million dollar a year contract would not persuade him to come to IU? If the answer is “Well ya, for 50 million who wouldn’t?” Then you would be wrong in your assessment. If he comes for 50 would he come for 40? 30?How about 20? 10?
Go through the USA Today coaches/assistants pay charts. Everyone of them I pulled up left somewhere to be somewhere and got paid more money. Provide the money for a coach AND staff and we don’t have this argument each year for 50 years.
Okay, a college football insider I am not. So, I am curious: What administrative support is missing? CTA is being paid a competitive salary, his assistant coaches are being paid competitive salaries. His recruiting budget is large enough for him to travel anywhere to meet with recruits. We have gussied-up Memorial Stadium. We have added much-needed facilities, like a world-class weight room, new meeting rooms and new tutoring/study rooms. We have hired an athletic dietitian to help plan team meals. We have brought in world-class and nationally renowned strength and conditioning coaches. The football program's technology is up-to-date with the rest of the football world. Next year, we are remodeling the locker room.
What's missing?
While I am certainly no expert -- it's Planet Fitness, for me -- the university sure seems proud of it:A competitive salary? Allen is the lowest paid coach in the Big Ten. They have to share a weight room. Go take a look at what Purdue has and tell me IU is competitive facility-wise.
agree. but only one year to show improvement. as long as he stops saying "foot speed" and "eye discipline", and eschewing easy field goals on 4th and 9 and throwing 3 yard completions an 3 and 10 and...This is a good point. With much more HC experience, much higher staff salaries, better QBs and the best freshman playmaker in the country, Brohm was 7 pts. better than Allen. That’s a pretty narrow margin given the huge gap in perceptions of the two coaches right now.
If the current commits all sign, TA will have a chance to prove his mettle. Like most, I have my reservations about Allen, but especially given what he has already done on the recruiting trail, he deserves another year or two to work.
This is exactly right. Indiana fans WANT to support this team. They absolutely do. But when things start looking good and the excitement is there, as sure as day follows night, Indiana will come out and s*!t the bed. MSU, Iowa, Penn St., Purdue...take your pick. That would be where dynamic coaching comes in. Motivate the players. Instill unmatched discipline. Demand better execution. Prepare them to win. But Indiana doesn't have that. And here we are.
I would agree on 4 years if we had been 1-11 when Allen took over. We had two 6-6 teams prior to Allen and he inherited a good defense.No because I feel coaches needs 4 years to see what they can do
While I am certainly no expert -- it's Planet Fitness, for me -- the university sure seems proud of it:
"At the heart of the Northern Zone facility is the W. Jay and Nancy Wilkinson Performance Center - one of largest strength centers in the country. The 23,00-square-foot area is located at field level and provides student-athletes in every varsity sport with access to brand new weight training and cardio equipment. The facility houses about 150 pieces of equipment, over 11 tons of dumbbells and over 40 tons of free weights for IU athletes to use."
And CTA is getting $1.8 million a year -- not exactly chicken feed.
I would agree on 4 years if we had been 1-11 when Allen took over. We had two 6-6 teams prior to Allen and he inherited a good defense.
Allen isn't getting fired this year. He does need to make obvious changes. If not, he may not survive after next year. I'm worried about our O-line next year, but other than that we should be improved if we get better game planning and execution.
Allen will have 3 years. after that we will know if Allen regained the momentum Wilson had built. I personally feel this was a 7-5 team without relying on a big upset. We had a slight chance to surprise a team and win 8.
We won't break through the 4-8 or 5-7 ceiling with the current staff.
We are better than we were when Allen took over. Wilson had to win season-ending games against the worst Purdue teams in their history to squeak into a bowl. Tom Allen hasn't had that luxury. Allen didn't inherit a good defense. He made a terrible defense a good defense his first year and then watched his defense disintegrate to injuries last year. The fact that Wilson couldn't recruit even a handful of defensive talent his last two years left Allen with a ridiculously young unit this year that was still more than competitive and got better as the year progressed.I would agree on 4 years if we had been 1-11 when Allen took over. We had two 6-6 teams prior to Allen and he inherited a good defense.
Allen isn't getting fired this year. He does need to make obvious changes. If not, he may not survive after next year. I'm worried about our O-line next year, but other than that we should be improved if we get better game planning and execution.
Allen will have 3 years. after that we will know if Allen regained the momentum Wilson had built. I personally feel this was a 7-5 team without relying on a big upset. We had a slight chance to surprise a team and win 8.
We won't break through the 4-8 or 5-7 ceiling with the current staff.
He would come if he thought he could recruit and win here. Our AD and administration would not give him the impression that they would support building a winner. Glass fired a HC that Meyer snapped up immediately. Would Glass support Meyer hiring a coach with Wilson's recent history?
Meyer would see firing a good coach for the reasons we did as a weakness. He would never return a call from Fred Glass. Most established top coaches wouldn't work for Glass or this administration.
I don’t get your apathy for the fanbase. I have yet to see one make a tackle.....One reason is the pathetic fan base and another he would just wait for the best opportunity and .
Well last year we found out the hard way we were going on the cheap with administrative support dealing with getting paperwork submitted in time to allow committed on campus players to qualify with the NCAA to play. We lost a full year of eligibility with our highest ranked recruit. Turns out we were running the department on short staff. So we hired more people. Problem is it happened a few years prior and NCAA looked the other way and we promised to fix it. We didn’t so we were punished.Okay, a college football insider I am not. So, I am curious: What administrative support is missing? CTA is being paid a competitive salary, his assistant coaches are being paid competitive salaries. His recruiting budget is large enough for him to travel anywhere to meet with recruits. We have gussied-up Memorial Stadium. We have added much-needed facilities, like a world-class weight room, new meeting rooms and new tutoring/study rooms. We have hired an athletic dietitian to help plan team meals. We have brought in world-class and nationally renowned strength and conditioning coaches. The football program's technology is up-to-date with the rest of the football world. Next year, we are remodeling the locker room.
What's missing?
I'm still waiting for someone to show me a single piece of substantiated evidence that not having a football-only weight room has cost us a single recruit. Please find an article to link or a name to put to that myth. And if it's such a big deal, how has that not hurt Northwestern ? There are a lot of fair criticisms of our program, but the football-only weight room argument is pure horseshit.The point is Allen makes way less than his peers in the conference. Brohm is paid over $3 million/year and his assistant coaching salary pool is much larger. Having to share a weight room limits what the strength staff can do. Other schools point to their football only facilities and let recruits know that IU doesn’t care enough to have one.
I hope you are joking right? because no way we would every want him as our AD. Have you forgotten the huge scandals that have hit UL under his watch or do you just care about winning at any cost.I think you are right. I would like to see a Jurich from Louisville as AD at IU. The guy made one bad hire in Kragthorpe who was his close friend. Now, the alums and academia might go nuts over that.... but I’d love to see Glass at least hire him as a consultant on how to run an athletic department. The guy is good
I don't think we are better with Allen. We got too conservative and almost lost 2 games we were in control of this year. One of those games was Rutgers. Our inability to sclre in the early games in the second half were from predictable and ultra conservative play calling.We are better than we were when Allen took over. Wilson had to win season-ending games against the worst Purdue teams in their history to squeak into a bowl. Tom Allen hasn't had that luxury. Allen didn't inherit a good defense. He made a terrible defense a good defense his first year and then watched his defense disintegrate to injuries last year. The fact that Wilson couldn't recruit even a handful of defensive talent his last two years left Allen with a ridiculously young unit this year that was still more than competitive and got better as the year progressed.
We also no longer piss away games we should have in the bag with terrible game management ( Minnesota in '14, Rutgers in '15) or lay eggs against MAC teams. We are competitive every game.
What we haven't done is take a step up. I won't argue that. We have to find a way to consistently beat the teams that are roughly our equal in talent, especially on the road. We have to develop the ability to pull off a conference upset (which has really been the difference between us and Purdue the last two years). Mostly, we have to find an offensive identity because that is what has plagued us the last two years.
I'm not happy or content with the state of the program and missing a bowl the last two years. But the long-term prospects for IU football are better than they were when Allen took over. Hopefully we get the missing pieces in place and turn the corner next year.
I am not saying it is the only problem but it really hurts recruiting when they see 35,000 people in the stands then half of them leave at halftime. They go on other visits to Iowa or UK and see their stands full with rabid fans and compare it to the experience at IU where do you think they will go. Also I feel it hurts the players coming out for big games not seeing the stands full and it is a little demoralizing to them to not have the fans support. If home field or home court doesn't matter then why do home teams wins most of the games if teams are somewhat equally matched.I don’t get your apathy for the fanbase. I have yet to see one make a tackle.....
Your angst is misplaced
Jurich will be lucky if he's not managing the recreation department of a state prison the next few years. The guy's not just a low-life, he's a thief. If Brohm elects not to jump into the burning dumpster at L'ville, Purdue fans will need to send personal thank-you notes to Jurich for destroying the athletic department.I think you are right. I would like to see a Jurich from Louisville as AD at IU. The guy made one bad hire in Kragthorpe who was his close friend. Now, the alums and academia might go nuts over that.... but I’d love to see Glass at least hire him as a consultant on how to run an athletic department. The guy is good
You do know that Oklahoma has a shared weight room that is much smaller than IU’ s which is among the largest in the country. Does that mean they don’t care about football no one ever answers that question.The point is Allen makes way less than his peers in the conference. Brohm is paid over $3 million/year and his assistant coaching salary pool is much larger. Having to share a weight room limits what the strength staff can do. Other schools point to their football only facilities and let recruits know that IU doesn’t care enough to have one.
I am more worried about the O-line. I think we can overcome our losses easier on the D-line.Agree with all this, but would ask why you are not equally concerned about the DL as the OL, if not more? Do you see some hope there?
I am one that believe we have more than adequate facilities and I have been in Florida, Florida State, Miami, USF, UCF, Georgia and Michigan State. Also I spoke with a friend who is a huge Penn State fan who just went to Bloomington and he said that Memorial stadium was much nicer than Beaver Stadium. He said it is nothing but a big erector set. Just an oversized high school set of bleachers and has no character.Most people have no idea how far behind we are because they only follow IU and fully believe all the praise that is thrown around.
Anyone who has been to other schools knows we’re decades behind most of the conference.
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You do know that Oklahoma has a shared weight room that is much smaller than IU’ s which is among the largest in the country. Does that mean they don’t care about football no one ever answers that question.
Mellencamp just needs some cosmetic stuff. The practice fields are nice. Nice having tunnel to mellencamp and practice fields. Locker room and players lounge getting an upgrade and a football only training room. Also the dinning room and academic center conveniently located in the stadium Does it really matter if nice shiny new facilities are in a new building or conveniently located in the stadium. One of the things that Dan Mullen discussed flow and convenience in the soon to be built UF building.Facilities is a lot more than just the stadium. I agree our stadium now looks very nice. Not as big as others but looks nice.
But our practice facilities are way below our peers. And that’s where the players spend 95% of their time. Compare Mellencamp to the practice facilities of those schools. It’s night and day.
Poor records, bad coaching and losing ugly drive away more recruits than my decision to attend the game.I am not saying it is the only problem but it really hurts recruiting when they see 35,000 people in the stands then half of them leave at halftime. They go on other visits to Iowa or UK and see their stands full with rabid fans and compare it to the experience at IU where do you think they will go. Also I feel it hurts the players coming out for big games not seeing the stands full and it is a little demoralizing to them to not have the fans support. If home field or home court doesn't matter then why do home teams wins most of the games if teams are somewhat equally matched.