Who's causing all the trouble this time? Ordfan 15.0 or that fpeagh guy? Both are on ignore.
Wilson with the last laugh
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We lost 38-17 last year in pretty much the exact same fashion. It got away from us in the fourth quarter. Actually it was almost 45-17 but I believe a TD got called back on a penalty.
Also, your line of logic here is an incredibly stupid and dangerous road to go down.
I want to make it clear that I'm not saying this to be malicious towards CKW. I personally like him and respect him as a coach, and a wiser older man (although some may disagree with the last part). I didn't like his firing. What Wilson did bring was toughness, and he demanded that you be tough/aggressive. He forced you to respect the program, and he didn't accept any complaining. The team needed that, the team needed to demand more from itself. this was a coach that I personally saw tackle a running back in practice for not running hard enough. Some may call that over the top, but no one viewed that as (abuse), and that is the kind of intensity that he brought. That helped the team improve, and I think that Stephen Houston will tell you that he's happy in hindsight that Wilson took that sort of interest in his practice performance.
It's also true however that what he brought in toughness, he simply didn't bring to defense or any kind of organization. I know for a fact that many players didn't have a playbook on defense, and that even the few who had one prepared didn't really take an interest in it. This was evidenced in games like Rutgers in 15' or Minnesota in 13' or even BSU in 12'. If it seemed odd that a defense would look that incompetent even with improved recruiting, its 100% because having a football IQ was not enforced. Even look at Michael Hunter's improved performance when he went to Oklahoma State and now he's on the New York giants. This is the same Michael Hunter who was torched against Bowling green in 14'. I don't think his poor performance was a reflection of talent per se, but coaching and a lack of organizational structure. The same coach who would tackle offensive guys for not going hard and demand results, simply didn't have that level of structure on the defensive side whatsoever. Mike was one of the more talented players I played with, and I'm proud of him. He got so,e heat on the board for transferring, but I think that he highlights what was going on in our program compared to other programs, and the move paid off for him. He's more physically gifted than players we have lining up today, but we never saw that at IU and I think that it was largely due to the lack of structure. And although it's not CKW's fault per se, it is his problem as the head coach. At a certain point you'd expect him to step in and fire a coach mid season if need be for the complete negligence.
So on one hand Wilson brought a certain level of toughness and enthusiasm that was needed. On the other hand there was a certain lack of structure brought to the defensive side, and he didn't particularly enforce structure consistently. He got guys to play hard, but does that help if you don't understand cover 3? Players like Hunter didn't just magically improve when they left. There must've been a different level of structure at Oklahoma state. My assumption would be that TA brought this kind of structure which is why Scales went from being just a good linebacker, to maybe one of the best in school history. Or why fields went from being a rotational backup to one of the top DB's in the conference. Or why some guys who played in 15' magically disappeared from the lineup in 16'. I think that moving forward TA is going to have the program in good hands because he brings Wilson's toughness, but also doesn't have that side of recklessness/negligence from what I see. I have never met TA because my final year was the season before he came in, but just as an observer who knows many of those guys, there's a difference.
Why would he talk about coordinators when the argument he's making is about CKW?
Congrats on an intelligent analysis of what actually happened. People trashing Allen after one game loss against OSU is laughable. Have battle at IU is going to be a mindset which Allen brings in spades. If IU even goes 7-5 this year it surpasses any season Wilson had, and I liked and appreciated what he did to get IU to mid-tier level. But I believ Allen will get us to next level in near future.
Kevin Wilson is gone. I have not read or seen any interviews where he disparages The Hoosiers or their team. Unquestionably, he did bring a vast difference to IU football. For God's sake, he has 2 children attending your great school. Let it go!
If he was a "Hugger" it would have been different ..... gotta consider the audience.
Fact is investigations were made and could find nothing to hang him on. So what is the next step? Assasinate his character. No proof needed for that.... where else is that seen? Consider the audience
Tears before a game shows strength... gum throwing shows moxie... holding people accountable and demanding more shows.... an @$$hole
Move on.... proof will be in the pudding
You're very smart to ignore the people whom you're unable to BS. You're a complete fraud.
"We're going to win and it's going to be glorious!" This is all we need to know about your football expertise.
From what I have heard, Allen is a really good defensive and special teams coach, but isn't much of an offensive coach and will need a good offensive coordinator. Hopefully, DeBord is that guy. I hope Allen can oversee the offensive side of the ball and make sure the people he delegates the offense to are competent, have a winning gameplan, etc. The total lack of a running game is concerning: I hope it was just OSU being really good and the fact it was the first game. The OSU game looked like the classic IU eventually getting overwhelmed by superior talent later in the game.
I would have preferred a Mallory/Hoeppner type of coach with proven D-1 head coaching experience to replace Wilson. But, Allen does have good high school experience as a head coach and has proven he is a competent D-coordinator at the college level. I will give him a chance. Once again, my concerns are on the O side.
Not impressed with Wilson as a head coach, and the comments from the former player under Wilson confirms my feelings. He never had a winning season and didn't address defense until last year. The crap he pulled with injured players is unacceptable. I understand emphasizing toughness and accountability, but there is a line and he crossed it. He belongs as an O-coordinator.
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I'm not throwing in the towel on Allen, but rather criticizing the Wilson hire. If it is true he didn't pay any attention to defense then he cheated his players and the fans out of bowl appearances and more wins. That is unacceptable and it is also unacceptable that Glass put up with it for five seasons.
They investigated him for lines crossed.... weren't any .... accept it for what it is .... we just didn't want him or what he brought... hugs work better at IU
Glass's complete lack of experience in running an athletic department has really shown up in many of his coaching hires. He's all about Fred, though I realize some people aren't smart enough to get past the style over substance that is FG.
Well.....
Tom Herman was one of the hottest coaching commodities in NCAA football last season and he kisses all of his players.
Your "smartest guy in the room, insulting others" schtick is beyond old and classic internet troll.
I don't think anybody has said Fred is perfect, and most would admit he has his flaws.
Never claimed any of that, only that Glass's inexperience is an impediment to him doing his job much better than he does it. You must agree since you weren't able to offer any sort of reasoned rebuttal, though that's typical of your posts here.
Interesting stuff. All sounds fair and true. Think Wilson will thrive as highly paid OC at OSU, like he did at OU, but not sure he's got the demeanor for great HC.
Allen hired DeBoard right away and delegates it all to him. But there is definitely accountability and Allen has openly stated "we can't turn the ball over as much, we need to protect the football." That's what you describe as not seeing re: Wilson and the defense in his tenure and I agree.
I also think Allen is genuinely liked and trusted. I do not think Wilson had the equal amount of respect & relationships with most of the players during his time either.
Lastly, I believe Allen's LOVE of being at IU also comes through. He wants to be there, he believes in the place and is setting the tone for what he expects. I believe he'll have them on right track starting this year and beyond.
You've never had to since your post history's done that for gou, Ord.
You know, I've seen Ducati / Twindegrees claim that he posts over here and nobody knows under what moniker he does so. Maybe this guy?
Great--so we'll give up 51 to Maryland too?
"For gou"? Another idiotic post from another poster with empty accusations. If you can't talk football, go away. I'm sure it's past your bedtime, even though it's not a school night.
Kind of funny seeing you here after your pre-OSU posts. You're brave to show up after looking so, well, ignorant.
It's clear CKW confused "delegation" with "abdication". Gotta admit I love the tackling story though!!
So, why no quotes or copy from Stephen Austin, Ted Bolser, Nate Sudfield, Dan Feeny, Jason Spriggs, Tevin Coleman, Jordan Howard, Shane Wynn?
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If that fat guy was able to tackle any college running back, then the back should not be playing D1 football. I liked CKW as our college coach but come on man.
