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Where’s Clarence Thomas …and Ginny?

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/24/politics/ginni-thomas-mark-meadows-text-messages/index.html. Seems that his wife was all in on getting Trump back in power, however she could. Recall Thomas was the one judge voting against giving the committee documents. It’s also curious how little information is coming out about Judge Thomas’ health conditions. He was supposed to be released from the hospital days ago.
They haven’t found a cure for his guilty conscience.
 
It seems, his wife supporting the truth, just may have had his health effected by an unfortunate Russian biological agent. However, Hillary has not been indicted, yet.
Well at least Trump sued her today! Right on Lucy.
 
They haven’t found a cure for his guilty conscience.
Has nothing to do with his confirmation. I still believe that was a dishonest Democratic ambush of a black man who didn’t identify as a Democrat. As a Democrat at the time it went on my list of things that led me to leave the Democratic Party.
 
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Shouldn’t Thomas have recused himself from the case? Doesn’t his vote seem a little suspect now? Sure seems like conflict of interest.
 
Has nothing to do with his confirmation. I still believe that was a dishonest Democratic ambush of a black man who didn’t identify as a Democrat. As a Democrat at the time it went on my list of things that led me to leave the Democratic Party.
So was Hill just a hit job? Or was she a head case?
 
Has nothing to do with his confirmation. I still believe that was a dishonest Democratic ambush of a black man who didn’t identify as a Democrat. As a Democrat at the time it went on my list of things that led me to leave the Democratic Party.
I was talking about knowing that his wife was suborning treason on January 6.

As for his confirmation, clearly you believed he hadn’t committed sexual assault. Why did you believe him instead of her? That’s a question that only you can answer. In fact you can’t because you don’t know why.
 
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So was Hill just a hit job? Or was she a head case?
Clearly being a head case as a result of politics is a common thing. ;) I don’t really know what her deal was, but it was clear there was no factual support for the accusations. It should never have been in the hearings. As a Democrat at the time I was thinking we can’t attack black people just because they aren’t Democrats and that is exactly what it looked like to me.
 
I was talking about knowing that his wife was suborning treason on January 6.

As for his confirmation, clearly you believed he hadn’t committed sexual assault. Why did you believe him instead of her? That’s a question that only you can answer. In fact you can’t because you don’t know why.
It should be clear by now that I believe people are presumed innocent. I seriously felt at the time that he was being attacked because he was a black man nominated by a Republican President. I was embarrassed by that as a Democrat. As a Republican now, it’s what I expect. ;)
 
Shouldn’t Anita Hill be presumed innocent of lying?
I just don’t understand why a successful, professional woman ( both Hill and Blasie Ford) would put their entire reputation on the line to lie about something like that. Neither were desperate for money or had anything at all in their background to lead someone to believe they would lie like that. Let alone the stigma they would have for the rest of their lives.
 
I just don’t understand why a successful, professional woman ( both Hill and Blasie Ford) would put their entire reputation on the line to lie about something like that. Neither were desperate for money or had anything at all in their background to lead someone to believe they would lie like that. Let alone the stigma they would have for the rest of their lives.
Simple. She wouldn’t and didn’t. Nothing else to understand here.

The Incomprehensibility rests in the behavior of all the men involved, including Joe Biden and the spectators at large, such as Aloha.
 
I seriously felt at the time that he was being attacked because he was a black man
That was the sly, duplicitous victim card Clarence Thomas played at the time. And he played it well. Both you and Biden fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

On a tangent, it’s interesting reading about Biden’s current understanding of Putin from 20 years of experience. Biden knows he got duped by Thomas in that hearing. He knows even more how Putin pulls the wool over people‘s eyes and lies and lies and lies again and again and again. And that’s precisely why he is so determined to maintain a unified NATO. He understands Putin like practically no one else and he understands that is the key to winning this battle.

I know conservatives hate to admit it, but by some quirk of fate, Biden is the perfect match for Putin in this moment in history.
 
I just don’t understand why a successful, professional woman ( both Hill and Blasie Ford) would put their entire reputation on the line to lie about something like that. Neither were desperate for money or had anything at all in their background to lead someone to believe they would lie like that. Let alone the stigma they would have for the rest of their lives.
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/24/politics/ginni-thomas-mark-meadows-text-messages/index.html. Seems that his wife was all in on getting Trump back in power, however she could. Recall Thomas was the one judge voting against giving the committee documents. It’s also curious how little information is coming out about Judge Thomas’ health conditions. He was supposed to be released from the hospital days ago.
Definitely a bad look that Clarence was the one dissent to releasing documents. I'd like to be a fly in the wall when this news broke.
 
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Shouldn’t Thomas have recused himself from the case? Doesn’t his vote seem a little suspect now? Sure seems like conflict of interest.
'Sure seems like a conflict of interest'.....

That's a thing now?

Conflict of interest?

Burisma says 'come on down'!!

Let's all discuss the Biden, Kerry, Pelosi, and Romney offspring and their revenue sources the past couple of decades.
 
Simple. She wouldn’t and didn’t. Nothing else to understand here.

The Incomprehensibility rests in the behavior of all the men involved, including Joe Biden and the spectators at large, such as Aloha.)
You absolutely do not know that.

Hyper-partisanship leads to strange behaviors in hyper-partisans. We know that two other women lied about Kavanaugh behaving inappropriately toward them. Allegations such as these happen all the time in these confirmation processes, but we never hear about them because they're either lies or unprovable. All that was left for Kavanaugh was Blasie Ford's unprovable allegations. Given what we know about it, it should never have been made public in the confirmation process. Could have been a lie, could have been a false memory (my wife and I have argued about differing memories about important events in our married life), could even have been true or partially true, but clearly unprovable. Feinstein could have had it investigated soon as she was informed of it if she thought there was any merit to it. She didn't and the Democrats decided to make a circus about it instead.

Hyper-partisans on both sides are capable of making false claims. Look at the Tumpsters and the ridiculous claims of voter fraud. That's very much in the same vein.
 
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'Sure seems like a conflict of interest'.....

That's a thing now?

Conflict of interest?

Burisma says 'come on down'!!

Let's all discuss the Biden, Kerry, Pelosi, and Romney offspring and their revenue sources the past couple of decades.
Or you know, we could discuss the Trumps who didn’t divest when they were supposed to, used Daddy’s influence to get contracts, and were actually part of his administration. So yeah, let’s talk.....
 
You absolutely do not know that.

Hyper-partisanship leads to strange behaviors in hyper-partisans. We know that two other women lied about Kavanaugh behaving inappropriately toward them. Allegations such as these happen all the time in these confirmation processes, but we never hear about them because they're either lies or unprovable. All that was left for Kavanaugh was Blasie Ford's unprovable allegations. Given what we know about it, it should never have been made public in the confirmation process. Could have been a lie, could have been a false memory (my wife and I have argued about differing memories about important events in our married life), could even have been true or partially true, but clearly unprovable. Feinstein could have had it investigated soon as she was informed of it if she thought there was any merit to it. She didn't and the Democrats decided to make a circus about it instead.

Hyper-partisans on both sides are capable of making false claims. Look at the Tumpsters and the ridiculous claims of voter fraud. That's very much in the same vein.
I don’t think it’s in the same vein. You have to look at the individual woman making the claim. Those claiming voter fraud are not being grilled on national tv about their sex lives and their names will not be remember for eternity. I’m not one who says believe all women, because I know, just like men, some women will do things for money or revenge. These two had no background of hyperpartision behavior, no background of false accusations, were professionals and well respected. They had everything to lose.
 
Has nothing to do with his confirmation. I still believe that was a dishonest Democratic ambush of a black man who didn’t identify as a Democrat. As a Democrat at the time it went on my list of things that led me to leave the Democratic Party.
The ambush take is an interesting observation.

Always thought the ambush was a foxy way by a Republican administration of putting a conservative on the court knowing Democrats would be reluctant to vote against a person of color. This sure seemed to be the case as eight of the nine Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee voted in favor of sending the Thomas nomination to the full Senate.

Finally the Senate confirmation saw 11 Democrats join 41 Republicans in nominating Thomas by a 52=48 vote.
 
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You absolutely do not know that.

Hyper-partisanship leads to strange behaviors in hyper-partisans. We know that two other women lied about Kavanaugh behaving inappropriately toward them. Allegations such as these happen all the time in these confirmation processes, but we never hear about them because they're either lies or unprovable. All that was left for Kavanaugh was Blasie Ford's unprovable allegations. Given what we know about it, it should never have been made public in the confirmation process. Could have been a lie, could have been a false memory (my wife and I have argued about differing memories about important events in our married life), could even have been true or partially true, but clearly unprovable. Feinstein could have had it investigated soon as she was informed of it if she thought there was any merit to it. She didn't and the Democrats decided to make a circus about it instead.

Hyper-partisans on both sides are capable of making false claims. Look at the Tumpsters and the ridiculous claims of voter fraud. That's very much in the same vein.
Aloha, note I haven’t made any claims about her telling the truth. Not a single one. I have asserted that she had no reason to lie. That’s my presumption of her innocence. Clarence Thomas also deserved a presumption of innocence. You didn’t grant that to her. Your presumption is that her claim is dubious. That is not a presumption of innocence in terms of the charge of lying.

Your entire argument resolutely looks at it from his point of view and entirely and utterly ignores hers. Hyper partisan, whether you realize it or not.
 
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/24/politics/ginni-thomas-mark-meadows-text-messages/index.html. Seems that his wife was all in on getting Trump back in power, however she could. Recall Thomas was the one judge voting against giving the committee documents. It’s also curious how little information is coming out about Judge Thomas’ health conditions. He was supposed to be released from the hospital days ago.
Really? We can now propagandize based on the views of spouses? I guess this also makes sons and daughters open books?

My second cousin on my moms side was a racist asshole. Guess I can’t get elected.
 
Really? We can now propagandize based on the views of spouses? I guess this also makes sons and daughters open books?

My second cousin on my moms side was a racist asshole. Guess I can’t get elected.

"It’s also curious how little information is coming out about Judge Thomas’ health conditions. He was supposed to be released from the hospital days ago."

And when "they" out your cousin don't you dare get hospitalized.
 
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Really? We can now propagandize based on the views of spouses? I guess this also makes sons and daughters open books?

My second cousin on my moms side was a racist asshole. Guess I can’t get elected.
Methinks you’re missing the point. General Petraeus got into deep Doodoo because of his intimate relationship. Wife, no. Wife surrogate, evidently.
 
The ambush take is an interesting observation.

Always thought the ambush was a foxy way by a Republican administration of putting a conservative on the court knowing Democrats would be reluctant to vote against a person of color. This sure seem to be the case as eight of the nine Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee voted in favor of sending the Thomas nomination to the full Senate.

Finally the Senate confirmation saw 11 Democrats join 41 Republicans in nominating Thomas by a 52=48 vote.
The pubic hair abstained in voting :)
 
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You absolutely do not know that.

Hyper-partisanship leads to strange behaviors in hyper-partisans. We know that two other women lied about Kavanaugh behaving inappropriately toward them. Allegations such as these happen all the time in these confirmation processes, but we never hear about them because they're either lies or unprovable. All that was left for Kavanaugh was Blasie Ford's unprovable allegations. Given what we know about it, it should never have been made public in the confirmation process. Could have been a lie, could have been a false memory (my wife and I have argued about differing memories about important events in our married life), could even have been true or partially true, but clearly unprovable. Feinstein could have had it investigated soon as she was informed of it if she thought there was any merit to it. She didn't and the Democrats decided to make a circus about it instead.

Hyper-partisans on both sides are capable of making false claims. Look at the Tumpsters and the ridiculous claims of voter fraud. That's very much in the same vein.

If it was all a lie then why was so much effort put into limiting the investigation? If it was a lie, then it would seem that Trump and others would have allowed for a full investigation on the matter and let the truth come out. Instead is just looks like they didn't want the truth to come out
 
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It should be clear by now that I believe people are presumed innocent. I seriously felt at the time that he was being attacked because he was a black man nominated by a Republican President. I was embarrassed by that as a Democrat. As a Republican now, it’s what I expect. ;)

So are you back to being a Democrat after how the GOP is treating Jackson? Or is it alright for the gop to attack a black woman?
 
Aloha, note I haven’t made any claims about her telling the truth. Not a single one. I have asserted that she had no reason to lie. That’s my presumption of her innocence. Clarence Thomas also deserved a presumption of innocence. You didn’t grant that to her. Your presumption is that her claim is dubious. That is not a presumption of innocence in terms of the charge of lying.

Your entire argument resolutely looks at it from his point of view and entirely and utterly ignores hers. Hyper partisan, whether you realize it or not.
Neither of those making the allegations were up for confirmation. They're not investigated and vetted like the nominees are. In the end, neither of them made allegations that would stand up to scrutiny.
 
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If it was all a lie then why was so much effort put into limiting the investigation? If it was a lie, then it would seem that Trump and others would have allowed for a full investigation on the matter and let the truth come out. Instead is just looks like they didn't want the truth to come out
There was plenty of time to investigate it when she submitted her allegations to Feinstein and another Democrat (can't remember the name). The Democrats chose not to investigate it. Maybe they didn't think it had merit or deserved investigation. They decided to spring the news late and Republicans were rightly PO'd about it (and Republicans have done much that I disagree with during the Trump years) and decided to limit it. They could have investigated it for weeks and they would have never found anything to prove it. Partisan organizations, investigative reporters, interested parties have all had plenty of time to investigate it since. Heard anything? I haven't either. The allegation was entirely unprovable and unless proven they should never have been publicized.
 
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So are you back to being a Democrat after how the GOP is treating Jackson? Or is it alright for the gop to attack a black woman?
I find some of them embarrassing too and it's never all right to unfairly attack a nominee. I think every Republican should vote to confirm her even though she'd not be my choice. When Presidents nominate a USSC Justice they deserve confirmation unless there is truly something egregious about them that makes them either not qualified or not worthy of being confirmed. I'm actually not big on many of the Republicans in the House (especially) or in the Senate these days.

There were many factors in my transition from Democrat to Republican over a decade from the early 80s to my official switch in 1992. The Thomas hearings was only one of them.
 
I find some of them embarrassing too. I think every Republican should vote to confirm her even though she'd not be my choice. When Presidents nominate a USSC Justice they deserve confirmation unless there is truly something egregious about them that makes them either not qualified or not worthy of being confirmed. I'm actually not big on many of the Republicans in the House (especially) or in the Senate these days.

There were many factors in my transition from Democrat to Republican over a decade from the early 80s to my official switch in 1992. The Thomas hearings was only one of them.

i was thinking it had to have been more than that to cause someone to switch parties.
 
There was plenty of time to investigate it when she submitted her allegations to Feinstein and another Democrat (can't remember the name). The Democrats chose not to investigate it. Maybe they didn't think it had merit or deserved investigation. They decided to spring the news late and Republicans were rightly PO'd about it (and Republicans have done much that I disagree with during the Trump years) and decided to limit it. They could have investigated it for weeks and they would have never found anything to prove it. Partisan organizations, investigative reporters, interested parties have all had plenty of time to investigate it since. Heard anything? I haven't either. The allegation was entirely unprovable and unless proven they should never have been publicized.

fair enough
 
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