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Walker in Georgia

Spartans9312 said:
No one denies that Warnock tried to run her over after a domestic disturbance. The only question is did his car miss. The point is she alleges additional abuse which Hickory and a couple others want to deny because it doesn’t fit their preferred political narrative.
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They dismiss it not because it doesn't fit their narrative, they dismiss it because it could hurt their political power. They aren't really worried about a "Warnock is the good guy" narrative so much as they absolutely had to have him as a Democrat Senator to avoid having a Republican majority in the Senate that could have more effectively blocked the Biden agenda.

It is about the ability to enact their (our) political beliefs.

It is why I respect the thought behind people who said, "Trump was a bad guy so I am going to vote for someone who stands for nothing I do politically" and at the same time I think they were dead wrong in that assessment. I don't wade into the back and forth name calling that occurs around the labeling of "Trumper" and "RINO" because it is a fruitless endeavor and I understand the emotion/logic used to arrive at both of those decisions. However, I think the Never-Trump folks were ultimately wrong and the past two years would be my evidence.
 
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This is one of the more accurtate pollers even though they tend oversample dems. So this is probably pretty close but point is Walker has not collapsed as the left thought he would not even close. Walker still likely wins in the end imo.


GEORGIA POLL By Emerson SENATE (D) Raphael Warnock 48% (+2) (R) Herschel Walker 46%
GOVERNOR (R) Brian Kemp 51% (+5) (D) Stacey Abrams 46%
PRESIDENT (R) Donald Trump 45% (+2) (D) Joe Biden 43%
10/06-07 | 1000 LV | ±3% https://emersoncollegepolling.com/georgia-2022-sen-warnock-leads-walker-by-two-gov-kemp-leads-abrams-by-five/…


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bailey777 said:
This is one of the more accurtate pollers even though they tend oversample dems. So this is probably pretty close but point is Walker has not collapsed as the left thought he would not even close. Walker still likely wins in the end imo.


GEORGIA POLL By Emerson SENATE (D) Raphael Warnock 48% (+2) (R) Herschel Walker 46%
GOVERNOR (R) Brian Kemp 51% (+5) (D) Stacey Abrams 46%
PRESIDENT (R) Donald Trump 45% (+2) (D) Joe Biden 43%
10/06-07 | 1000 LV | ±3% https://emersoncollegepolling.com/georgia-2022-sen-warnock-leads-walker-by-two-gov-kemp-leads-abrams-by-five/…
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And so not as to misconstrue what I am saying up above, Walker is a bad candidate because any semi-competent GOP candidate should be performing as well as Kemp is over Abrams.
 
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IUCrazy2 said:
They dismiss it not because it doesn't fit their narrative, they dismiss it because it could hurt their political power.
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Umm...

Maybe they dismiss it not for either of those reasons, but for the reason that police investigated the incident and determined that there was no evidence of any crime committed because there was no evidence of any injury of any type.
 
bailey777 said:
This is one of the more accurtate pollers even though they tend oversample dems. So this is probably pretty close but point is Walker has not collapsed as the left thought he would not even close. Walker still likely wins in the end imo.


GEORGIA POLL By Emerson SENATE (D) Raphael Warnock 48% (+2) (R) Herschel Walker 46%
GOVERNOR (R) Brian Kemp 51% (+5) (D) Stacey Abrams 46%
PRESIDENT (R) Donald Trump 45% (+2) (D) Joe Biden 43%
10/06-07 | 1000 LV | ±3% https://emersoncollegepolling.com/georgia-2022-sen-warnock-leads-walker-by-two-gov-kemp-leads-abrams-by-five/…
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I don't know anyone who thought Walker would "collapse". The evangelical base here is broad, and that's the GOP strength in Georgia.

Walker might win . . . but I doubt it. Polls have been quite steady now for several weeks with Warnock leading. Something would have to change for Walker to win . . . and firing his campaign political director might do it, might not. Depends on who he hires . . . . https://www.foxnews.com/politics/he...itical-director-suspicion-media-leaks-sources
 
outside shooter said:
Umm...

Maybe they dismiss it not for either of those reasons, but for the reason that police investigated the incident and determined that there was no evidence of any crime committed because there was no evidence of any injury of any type.
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You keep focusing in on the supposed car running over the foot incident even though you have been told several times that is not what is being discussed.

I will refer you back to all of Spartans' posts.
 
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IUCrazy2 said:
You keep focusing in on the supposed car running over the foot incident even though you have been told several times that is not what is being discussed.

I will refer you back to all of Spartans' posts.
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Assuming, without conceding, that you and Spartan are correct - and you're not - a one-time fit of anger in the context of a domestic squabble compared to Walker's clear threats of violence against multiple women? A threat of a shootout with police?

Lying about being an FBI agent? Lying about working with Cobb County police? Lying about graduating from UGA? Lying about graduating in the top 1% of his class at UGA?

Puh-lease . . . there's no comparison. Walker isn't a viable, much less a reasonable, alternative here.

Y'all will go to any lengths to get control of the Senate. All you want is unfettered political power.
 
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Sope Creek said:
Assuming, without conceding, that you and Spartan are correct - and you're not - a one-time fit of anger in the context of a domestic squabble compared to Walker's clear threats of violence against multiple women? A threat of a shootout with police?

Lying about being an FBI agent? Lying about working with Cobb County police? Lying about graduating from UGA? Lying about graduating in the top 1% of his class at UGA?

Puh-lease . . . there's no comparison. Walker isn't a viable, much less a reasonable, alternative here.

Y'all will go to any lengths to get control of the Senate. All you want is unfettered political power.
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“Unfettered political power.”

- Has been the goal of every political party - ever.
 
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cosmickid said:
I think he chased down a criminal. In a town with close to 80% Black population, there is a fair chance the guy would be black.

Again I feel pretty confidant that despite Oz's trying to create controversy, the Black citizens of Braddock have a far more favorable opinion of Fetterman than the way the Black citizens of Wrightsville (HW's hometown) feel about him...

I know wingnut media has lambasted the NYT story, but this article from Politico is from a year ago and says basically the same thing about Blacks view of Herschel...

www.politico.com

The Origins of Herschel Walker’s Complicated Views on Race

He has often remained silent when asked to take sides. Running for Senate in Georgia, that might not be possible.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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And yet....
 
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dbmhoosier said:
D+2 in Georgia. The fat lady has sung.

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So the GOP pollster still shows the Warnock lead at 1% (which means it's more accurately 3-4%) and you somehow think that's good news for the Pubs? Why exactly isn't Walker leading the Trafalgar poll?

More importantly how does Herschel close the gap in the final month, gripped by scandals that are only going to alienate Independents? We know he's got the Trump vote, he's always had the Trump vote. How does he somehow get the sane vote?

The main reason Abrams isn't at the same number as Warnock is because she doesn't get the same % of Black male votes that Warnock does. If she did, then the Governor's race would be tighter, although some polling shows a narrowing of that race. At any rate, anything less than the leader having 50% on election day will necessitate a runoff. Do you even know that?

Sope lives IN GA, yet you think these pollsters who see the race differently have more insight into the race than he does? What happens to Herschel in the runoff when all those Kemp voters are no longer out voting, and non_ MAGA types are confronted by the task of going out in Dec weather to vote for a candidate with the IQ of a rock. How motivated are those non MAGA types going to be to turn out and vote for Herschel a second time?
 
Spartans9312 said:
What has been debunked? Police were called to a domestic disturbance at Warnock's home. His wife alleged abuse to the police and again in court in divorce proceedings which Warnock had sealed. You are proving Crazy's point. You always justify what your own candidates do.
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Is there some 2nd incident that you're referring to? Link?

Because the incident that I'm aware of occurred when he went to the home where she was living to pick up the kids for school...

"No one denies that Warnock tried to run her over after a domestic disturbance."

Actually it's the exact opposite as basically everybody but her doubts that "he tried to run over her". He denies it, and on the tapes I've seen none of the cops or EMTs on scene lend any credence to her claim. He backed down the driveway and didn't do anything but back straight back. So exactly how did he "try" to run over her?

If she had shown some evidence of injury maybe they would have been more inclined to believe her. But when you make an (unsupported by evidence) claim that your foot was run over, then people are going to look at the other claims you make as dubious as well.

They were divorced by the time of the runoff, so all of those court proceedings were part and parcel of the charges that the Loeffler campaign made. None of this is new, and it would likely strike any impartial observer as a desperate attempt to mitigate the Walker situation.

Herschel is just an all around horrible candidate, and Warnock with all of this known at the time won his race in one of the highest turnouts for an election in GA history. Had the GOP nominated Black they'd likely be in the lead in this race, but they chose to nominate Trump's man Herschel and that's where we are...
 
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cosmickid said:
So the GOP pollster still shows the Warnock lead at 1% (which means it's more accurately 3-4%) and you somehow think that's good news for the Pubs? Why exactly isn't Walker leading the Trafalgar poll?

More importantly how does Herschel close the gap in the final month, gripped by scandals that are only going to alienate Independents? We know he's got the Trump vote, he's always had the Trump vote. How does he somehow get the sane vote?

The main reason Abrams isn't at the same number as Warnock is because she doesn't get the same % of Black male votes that Warnock does. If she did, then the Governor's race would be tighter, although some polling shows a narrowing of that race. At any rate, anything less than the leader having 50% on election day will necessitate a runoff. Do you even know that?

Sope lives IN GA, yet you think these pollsters who see the race differently have more insight into the race than he does? What happens to Herschel in the runoff when all those Kemp voters are no longer out voting, and non_ MAGA types are confronted by the task of going out in Dec weather to vote for a candidate with the IQ of a rock. How motivated are those non MAGA types going to be to turn out and vote for Herschel a second time?
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Why haven’t you answered Spartan in the kissin cousins thread you started?
 
zeke4ahs said:
Or the fact that he’s without doubt one of the best coaches in the country. Shady, but great coach.
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I sat next to Herbert and his wife at Hoosier Hysteria Sampson’s first year. They were both over the top regarding Sampson. I have no doubt the rumors Herbert overruled Greenspan’s final 3 candidates and insisted on Sampson were true.

I dreamed of getting another opportunity to sit next to Herbert a few weeks later when the phone calls came out.
 
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Sope Creek said:
Y'all will go to any lengths to get control of the Senate. All you want is unfettered political power.
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First, what lengths? I have zero say in what goes on in GA. Zero.

I don't want unfettered political power, I am not a politician. RIght now I want to deny that to Biden though. And if that means that the GOP has to consume some shit (Walker) then so be it. Stopping what the Democrats have been doing and Joe in particular is more important then Walker being less than an ideal candidate. If it was a 58 to 42 R lead in the Senate, I would have no problem writing off Walker even being close to 60.
 
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IUCrazy2 said:
First, what lengths? I have zero say in what goes on in GA. Zero.

I don't want unfettered political power, I am not a politician. RIght now I want to deny that to Biden though. And if that means that the GOP has to consume some shit (Walker) then so be it. Stopping what the Democrats have been doing and Joe in particular is more important then Walker being less than an ideal candidate. If it was a 58 to 42 R lead in the Senate, I would have no problem writing off Walker even being close to 60.
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cosmickid said:
So the GOP pollster still shows the Warnock lead at 1% (which means it's more accurately 3-4%) and you somehow think that's good news for the Pubs? Why exactly isn't Walker leading the Trafalgar poll?

More importantly how does Herschel close the gap in the final month, gripped by scandals that are only going to alienate Independents? We know he's got the Trump vote, he's always had the Trump vote. How does he somehow get the sane vote?

The main reason Abrams isn't at the same number as Warnock is because she doesn't get the same % of Black male votes that Warnock does. If she did, then the Governor's race would be tighter, although some polling shows a narrowing of that race. At any rate, anything less than the leader having 50% on election day will necessitate a runoff. Do you even know that?

Sope lives IN GA, yet you think these pollsters who see the race differently have more insight into the race than he does? What happens to Herschel in the runoff when all those Kemp voters are no longer out voting, and non_ MAGA types are confronted by the task of going out in Dec weather to vote for a candidate with the IQ of a rock. How motivated are those non MAGA types going to be to turn out and vote for Herschel a second time?
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My guess is that folks who follow this stuff professionally have more insight into the races than I do. I'm a guy behind a keyboard.
 
Sope Creek said:
My guess is that folks who follow this stuff professionally have more insight into the races than I do. I'm a guy behind a keyboard.
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Well there's something said for local flavor, but I get your point...

But here's the hilarious aspect for the folks who are attacking you, and particularly the Trafalgar fan club who are convinced that Trafalgar is the magic formula for polling accuracy...Never mind that Trafalgar on the day prior to the CA recall showed Newsom only ahead by 53-45 and he actually survived recall by a much larger 61-38. That's a huge miss for a poll that overzealous "fans" like to tout as infallible and "most accurate"...

But here is the problem with touting Trafalgar's results on GA Senate as "good" for Walker. During the polling cycle which shows Walker ahead 47-45, Trafalgar also shows Kemp with a much more significant 53-44 lead over Abrams. That's a 7 point difference from the same GOP internal pollster interviewing the same exact voter base. And while the Kemp race results they show are pretty consistent with polling in general, having Walker with even a tiny lead is inconsistent with what polling says overall.

So you figure Trafalgar is likely inflating Herschel by at least a point or two (likely more) and even with that he is a full 6 points lower in GOP support. And that's before the debate, where it's hard to imagine he'll be able to hone and reshape his message enough to convince non-Evangelicals that he's intelligent enough for the job. What if someone asks him how there can be apes and humans on the same planet?
 
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cosmickid said:
Well there's something said for local flavor, but I get your point...

But here's the hilarious aspect for the folks who are attacking you, and particularly the Trafalgar fan club who are convinced that Trafalgar is the magic formula for polling accuracy...Never mind that Trafalgar on the day prior to the CA recall showed Newsom only ahead by 53-45 and he actually survived recall by a much larger 61-38. That's a huge miss for a poll that overzealous "fans" like to tout as infallible and "most accurate"...

But here is the problem with touting Trafalgar's results on GA Senate as "good" for Walker. During the polling cycle which shows Walker ahead 47-45, Trafalgar also shows Kemp with a much more significant 53-44 lead over Abrams. That's a 7 point difference from the same GOP internal pollster interviewing the same exact voter base. And while the Kemp race results they show are pretty consistent with polling in general, having Walker with even a tiny lead is inconsistent with what polling says overall.

So you figure Trafalgar is likely inflating Herschel by at least a point or two (likely more) and even with that he is a full 6 points lower in GOP support. And that's before the debate, where it's hard to imagine he'll be able to hone and reshape his message enough to convince non-Evangelicals that he's intelligent enough for the job. What if someone asks him how there can be apes and humans on the same planet?
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You're far more invested in poll methodology than I'll ever be.

I have no idea whether any one of them might be inflating the results for any candidate.
 
Circlejoe said:
You’ve been called out McM. Everyone was trying to be polite. But we’re tired of your games. You are who you are and we understand.
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I will say this for @mcmurtry66 ...he's one of the few Righties on this board who is willing to laugh at jokes/teasing at his expense. That ability to be self-depreciating in your humor shows a healthy sense of self-awareness and confidence.

Otherwise, he's a douche.
 
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Bulk VanderHuge said:
I will say this for @mcmurtry66 ...he's one of the few Righties on this board who is willing to laugh at jokes/teasing at his expense. That ability to be self-depreciating in your humor shows a healthy sense of self-awareness and confidence.

Otherwise, he's a douche.
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Thank you bulk. I enjoy the reaction score I deserve
 
Bulk VanderHuge said:
I will say this for @mcmurtry66 ...he's one of the few Righties on this board who is willing to laugh at jokes/teasing at his expense. That ability to be self-depreciating in your humor shows a healthy sense of self-awareness and confidence.

Otherwise, he's a douche.
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I’m willing to laugh at jokes/teasing at McMurtry’s expense too.

Where’s my award?
 
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IUCrazy2 said:
Good coach, shady guy, and most importantly ticked a demographic box that they wanted ticked at that time.
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If having a minority was really that important, they would’ve just kept Davis. And if IU hadn’t been so set on winning the moral high ground (which gets you exactly shit), there would be at least two more banners hanging in the Hall, with another couple of Big titles and FFs to go with it.
 
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ButHerEmails said:
If having a minority was really that important, they would’ve just kept Davis. And if IU hadn’t been so set on winning the moral high ground (which gets you exactly shit), there would be at least two more banners hanging in the Hall, with another couple of Big titles and FFs to go with it.
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Your lack of integrity is showing.
 
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ButHerEmails said:
If having a minority was really that important, they would’ve just kept Davis. And if IU hadn’t been so set on winning the moral high ground (which gets you exactly shit), there would be at least two more banners hanging in the Hall, with another couple of Big titles and FFs to go with it.
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I don’t think they should’ve fired Knight either.
 
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