Ukraine has captured the hearts and minds

[CO. Hoosier]

We have forgotten that Ukraine is a corrupt country including questionable financial ties with individuals in the highest levels of our government. Its criminal element, which no doubt has some level of official protection, reaches well into human trafficking and drug trade in many parts of the world. Cyber crime has been traced to Ukrainian operatives.

Yet we are all in on supporting Ukraine. The German reaction has been nothing short of astounding. Putin has managed to shake Europe to its core. I think we are seeing significant world history being made in real time.

I don’t recall this kind of grass-roots support about world events that we have only marginal interest in ever.

And the Denver City Building. . .

 

[Lucy01]

One thing you have to give Ukraine credit for, it has gotten rid of Covid!

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Yes, but ...

I expect after Kyiv falls - and it will - Putin will be all over TV talking about his restraint against civilians in his "sad but necessary war against the Ukrainian Nazi's and criminals"

But when Lucky Luciano had Bugsy Seigel shot, few tears were shed.

And its good to know the West still abhors offensive war and even the appearance of an undeserved invasion.

Putin misread the world's sentiment.

Easy to do when you live in a cocoon.

Regime change in Ukraine AND Russia seems the most likely long-term result. With hopefully a few decades of peace.

The again, a generalized European conflict will focus folks on what's important again. We've spent decades fighting over stupid crap. "Live and let live" might even make an e-comeback.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

One thing you have to give Ukraine credit for, it has gotten rid of Covid!

Putin cured Covid?

That's Nobel Prize level..

Amirite??

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Obviously not firsthand, but it feels like what I've read about Belgium standing up to Germany in 1914.

 

[Bill4411]

We have forgotten that Ukraine is a corrupt country including questionable financial ties with individuals in the highest levels of our government. Its criminal element, which no doubt has some level of official protection, reaches well into human trafficking and drug trade in many parts of the world. Cyber crime has been traced to Ukrainian operatives.

Yet we are all in on supporting Ukraine. The German reaction has been nothing short of astounding. Putin has managed to shake Europe to its core. I think we are seeing significant world history being made in real time.

I don’t recall this kind of grass-roots support about world events that we have only marginal interest in ever.

And the Denver City Building. . .

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So you bring that up now? It is corrupt but it became that way primarily from being under Soviet leadership where everything gets done below the table or by bribes. They were making some progress but back into the toilet under the Russians. Your point is offensive.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

So you bring that up now? It is corrupt but it became that way primarily from being under Soviet leadership where everything gets done below the table or by bribes. They were making some progress but back into the toilet under the Russians. Your point is offensive.

Imo, it's not offensive, given that it is true. I do see it, however, as irrelevant under the circumstances.

 

[Bill4411]

Imo, it's not offensive, given that it is true. I do see it, however, as irrelevant under the circumstances.

I feel like it's like saying a woman who was raped and killed on a subway was kind of slutty anyway. Why even bring it up?

 

[TomEric4756]

We have forgotten that Ukraine is a corrupt country including questionable financial ties with individuals in the highest levels of our government. Its criminal element, which no doubt has some level of official protection, reaches well into human trafficking and drug trade in many parts of the world. Cyber crime has been traced to Ukrainian operatives.

Yet we are all in on supporting Ukraine. The German reaction has been nothing short of astounding. Putin has managed to shake Europe to its core. I think we are seeing significant world history being made in real time.

I don’t recall this kind of grass-roots support about world events that we have only marginal interest in ever.

And the Denver City Building. . .

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Yes, corruption was one of the reasons Ukraine didn’t make it into NATO when they first wanted to.

 

[TomEric4756]

The outrageous name calling … was seen as the smear campaign that it was … and created a disposition toward sympathy when hostilities broke out.

Putin might have gotten away with annexing the East had he stopped there.

The need to teach Ukraine a lesson by replacing the government was too far.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

So you bring that up now? It is corrupt but it became that way primarily from being under Soviet leadership where everything gets done below the table or by bribes. They were making some progress but back into the toilet under the Russians. Your point is offensive.

I don’t think you got the point.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

We have forgotten that Ukraine is a corrupt country including questionable financial ties with individuals in the highest levels of our government. Its criminal element, which no doubt has some level of official protection, reaches well into human trafficking and drug trade in many parts of the world. Cyber crime has been traced to Ukrainian operatives.

Yet we are all in on supporting Ukraine. The German reaction has been nothing short of astounding. Putin has managed to shake Europe to its core. I think we are seeing significant world history being made in real time.

I don’t recall this kind of grass-roots support about world events that we have only marginal interest in ever.

And the Denver City Building. . .

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We have forgotten that Ukraine is a corrupt country including questionable financial ties with individuals in the highest levels of our government. Its criminal element, which no doubt has some level of official protection, reaches well into human trafficking and drug trade in many parts of the world. Cyber crime has been traced to Ukrainian operatives.


so you're saying the Ukraine govt is just like the US govt, as that description is just as applicable to the US govt as any others.

does that mean you'd be ok with Russia invading the US?

can't get much more corrupt than the US govt, which is now openly based entirely on bibery and payoffs and extortion.

and it isn't the Ukraine govt the world is rallying behind.

it's the Ukrainian citizenry, and at least the idea of democracy.

 

[Bowlmania]

I don’t think you got the point.

So what was your point?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

So what was your point?

Really? I don’t think the Ukrainians lit up the Denver City and County Building.

 

[iuwclurker]

The outrageous name calling … was seen as the smear campaign that it was … and created a disposition toward sympathy when hostilities broke out.

Putin might have gotten away with annexing the East had he stopped there.

The need to teach Ukraine a lesson by replacing the government was too far.

Putin has no interest in stopping at the East end. He wants to subsume all of Ukraine back into Great Russia. Then he wants the rest of the satellite countries that once were part of his beloved nation.

 

[iuwclurker]

I don’t think you got the point.

You’re missing the point of our involvement if you think this is an event in which we have minimal interest.

 

[Bowlmania]

Really? I don’t think the Ukrainians lit up the Denver City and County Building.

Right. Denver is showing its support for Ukraine - - - which is pretty much what the whole world is doing except for, predictably, China. The fact that you seemingly have a problem with this doesn't say much for you.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You’re missing the point of our involvement if you think this is an event in which we have minimal interest.

Right. Denver is showing its support for Ukraine - - - which is pretty much what the whole world is doing except for, predictably, China. The fact that you seemingly have a problem with this doesn't say much for you.

Wrong again. You both are overtaken by by your strong desire to pick a fight with me.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Really? I don’t think the Ukrainians lit up the Denver City and County Building.

You gotta spoon-feed the “Orange Man bad” crowd. That one thought got them through 5 years. But their brains atrophied. They are wandering about babbling, stuck on a thought that no longer applies to anything. Their brains are buggy whips.

Here is your brain.
Here is your brain on OMB.

Asking them to understand decades of actual history and modern geo-political problems that led to war is like trying to teach a squirrel to use a hammer.

 

[iuwclurker]

Wrong again. You both are overtaken by by your strong desire to pick a fight with me.

I have absolutely no interest in picking a fight with anybody, occasional posts with MTIOF and a day trip to McM’s pigsty notwithstanding. One of the reasons I’m willing to discuss with you is because you tend to be civil. I stand by my previous post and I think it’s on you to Elaborate on your position next.

But I will start by saying, no, it’s not a military interest for the United States. That is, Russia has not attacked the United States anywhere, including Denver. Our interest is in protecting Europe physically and the world in terms of freedom. Among other interests.

Edit: We don’t want to let history repeat itself, namely, not taking Hitler seriously in the early 30s and Milosevic before he started attacking surrounding areas from Serbia.

 

[Bowlmania]

Wrong again. You both are overtaken by by your strong desire to pick a fight with me.

When a person takes an untenable position on something, as you've done here, pushback inevitably follows. The fact that you're framing that pushback as "picking a fight" suggests maybe you're better off in an echo chamber - - a safe space for hyperpartisans like yourself.

 

[iuwclurker]

When a person takes an untenable position on something, as you've done here, pushback inevitably follows. The fact that you're framing that pushback as "picking a fight" suggests maybe you're better off in an echo chamber - - a safe space for hyperpartisans like yourself.

The twofold irony is that this is a thread in which several regular and serious posters here on both sides of the aisle (see Noodle) ridiculed COH from the start and you and I actually posted serious responses to his OP.

That said, I can understand COH overgeneralizing considering the beating he’s taken in this thread.

 

[cosmickid]

We have forgotten that Ukraine is a corrupt country including questionable financial ties with individuals in the highest levels of our government. Its criminal element, which no doubt has some level of official protection, reaches well into human trafficking and drug trade in many parts of the world. Cyber crime has been traced to Ukrainian operatives.

Yet we are all in on supporting Ukraine. The German reaction has been nothing short of astounding. Putin has managed to shake Europe to its core. I think we are seeing significant world history being made in real time.

I don’t recall this kind of grass-roots support about world events that we have only marginal interest in ever.

And the Denver City Building. . .

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"We have forgotten that Ukraine is a corrupt country including questionable financial ties with individuals in the highest levels of our government. Its criminal element, which no doubt has some level of official protection, reaches well into human trafficking and drug trade in many parts of the world. Cyber crime has been traced to Ukrainian operatives."

Some nice editorializing there, but the "little Odessa" types that both Trump and Rudy have a long verified relationship with were Ukrainian members of the larger Russian mafia. Some of them were very instrumental in Rudy's "investigation" of Biden. And many of them have contributed to Rudy's coffers ever since he's been in politics. So I hope you realize that those "questionable financial ties" are extremely applicable to your hero, though I doubt that's the point you intended to make...

 

[CO. Hoosier]

When a person takes an untenable position on something, as you've done here, pushback inevitably follows. The fact that you're framing that pushback as "picking a fight" suggests maybe you're better off in an echo chamber - - a safe space for hyperpartisans like yourself.

Untenable? You have no clue

Let me make the point in crayons for the pea-brains who are more interested in picking a fight than reading the simple declarative sentence of the thread title.

In the immediate past, Ukrainians were bribing Americans and others, engaging in international crime, and was an epicenter of cyber crime. In a period of a few days of Russian ruthlessness, a Ukrainian President who achieved rock-star status with a single response to an offer of escape, and cell-phone videos of ordinary mothers, the world has embraced Ukraine and show genuine affection to Ukrainians. The Denver City and County building Was an exclamation point. Furthermore Sweden and Switzerland surrendered neutrality and Germany did a 180 on bedrock positions. I’ve never seen this happen in such a short period of time. Amazing.

Putin will prevail, but it will be his demise.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

 

[NPT]

Putin has no interest in stopping at the East end. He wants to subsume all of Ukraine back into Great Russia. Then he wants the rest of the satellite countries that once were part of his beloved nation.

I think that is probably true. Everything I've read has pointed to the fact that he thought the breakup of the USSR was a travesty.