Trump to hold MAGA rally in Tulsa, OK

[zeke4ahs]

She is a one-trick pony, obsessed only with her hatred of trump...which is fine if you have a plan or even concern for the future. She has never demonstrated capacity for the future.

Mr Independence is also a one trick pony, caring only that everyone knows he is the only bipartisan on the board and thus the only one who can look at every issue with a clear eye. I’m not exactly sure what the grandiose quote “She had never demonstrated capacity for the future.” could possibly mean. Perhaps Mr, independent can clarify .

 

[TommyCracker]

The Republican party has dissolved into a hand full of as you say "anti-reality assholes" and the rest swallowing their whistles in order to hold onto the Senate creating voids allowing left wing nut cases to fill in. Never a better time for a moderate third party unowned by special interests, racists, elitists, socialists. Cuban is the perfect guy.

Jesus H.

Yeah, exactly what we need. Another inexperienced billionaire that has never had to answer to anyone his whole working life going straight to the leader of the free world.

Please break down why Cuban is perfect. What are his specific political views and solutions on things like immigration, foreign policy, Healthcare, govt spending, etc. I'm curious.

Bloomberg actually had public service experience and was eviscerated for being an out of touch elitist.

I think the country has hopefully learned from this Trump experiment that nostalgic/romantic love affairs with outsiders come at an extremely dangerous and foolish risk for the most powerful government position we have.

How about Cuban run for governor first?

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Jesus H.

Yeah, exactly what we need. Another inexperienced billionaire that has never had to answer to anyone his whole working life going straight to the leader of the free world.

Please break down why Cuban is perfect. What are his specific political views and solutions on things like immigration, foreign policy, Healthcare, govt spending, etc. I'm curious.

Bloomberg actually had public service experience and was eviscerated for being an out of touch elitist.

I think the country has hopefully learned from this Trump experiment that nostalgic/romantic love affairs with outsiders come at an extremely dangerous and foolish risk for the most powerful government position we have.

How about Cuban run for governor first?

I meant Mark Cuban no comparison to trump. None.

Look him up, follow him on twitter. Watch what he did to help field-manage the problems it the PPP loan forgiveness program.

We need a third party cleansed of the hypocritical stench currently interwoven into the two shitholes we have.

 

[sglowrider]

Some of my girls did it. I thought it was kind of silly , but had no idea it was a whole movement. Every year I have a couple girls who are very political ( one is at Supreme Court now) but most are not interested. But I’ve been amazed at the turnaround in the last couple weeks. They’ve been attending protests, raising funds for different causes, and posting all over social media. I never want to count on youth vote for much, but recent events may have awakened a sleeping giant. Can you imagine if young people voted in the same numbers as seniors? That won’t happen, but I’m hoping for a big surge.

The late teens and early 20s are pretty political. I have a niece who is in Wellesley College now is really active for a 18-19y.o
She grew up with all her friends who are also politically active -- even back in high school. It's embarrassing whenever I talk about my high school days around her. Interesting but nevertheless shallow as a puddle of water.

 

[TommyCracker]

I meant Mark Cuban no comparison to trump. None.

Look him up, follow him on twitter. Watch what he did to help field-manage the problems it the PPP loan forgiveness program.

We need a third party cleansed of the hypocritical stench currently interwoven into the two shitholes we have.

I'm not interested in Cuban. That's why I asked why you think he's perfect.

Bill Gates has done more, particularly in the field of medicine so why not Gates for president?

Daniel Snyder came into money the same way Cuban did, maybe Snyder should consider it.

Bezos is trying to own the world, why not let him try being president?

Look I was all over Perot in 92. He spoke my language. Was a third party self made billionaire but more importantly he actually formed a third party cleansed of the hypocritical stench at the time.

He would have been a f#$king disaster in hindsight.

Hell he couldn't take the public scrutiny of his campaign and flaked out halfway through it when he had momentum.

For these guys it seems it's more about the glorification based on a very simple and vague political platform.
The critical failure to these outsiders is that to be successful, they have to actually use political skills...which means work with a wide array of strong personalities where in this case are 100% against you since you just strolled in with zero political relationships built. Compare that to starting their own business and getting their way with little resistance.

It's a totally different world of influence. Entrepreneurs are naturally entrepreneurs because they don't want to deal with politics.

Koch ran in the 70's. Perot in the 90's. Forbes ran in the 00's.

Billionaire candidates running as an outsider are not new. All were eventually seen as loonies. Only one got elected and he's likely to go down in history as the worst president of all time.

Like I said, if Cuban wants to go into politics then run for mayor, senator or governor and see if he likes it and is good at it.

Of course that wouldn't interest him.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

By far the most likely outcome.

What the GOP does post Trump is going to be the challenging cookie. Does the party just toss off Trumpism as an anomaly..... and revert back to more traditional conservatism. Or is it a full on populist circus party.. . And the loudest anti- reality asshole wins the torch?

Nincompoops and malcontents have ruled the roost of the Republican party for the last 9 years. Serious people need not apply.

I disagree. I think the GOP is alive and very well.

The word "Trumpism" is tossed around a lot. What do you think Trumpism is?

When I look at the Trump presidency I see a number of things; among them:

1. A message to the world that we will no longer be the world's policeman.
2. A message to our allies that they will no longer receive our protection for free.
3. Badly needed V.A. reform
4. Badly needed criminal justice reform
5. Badly needed tax reform
6. Badly needed public education reform.
7. Serious efforts at bringing jobs to the people who need them though such things as Opportunity Zones and other regulatory and tax incentives.
8. Improved North American trade deal
9. Right to Try and other FDA reforms
10. Most importantly, we have a judicial all-star on SCOTUS in the person of Neil Gorsuch. His Title VII opinion about gays and transgenders is a brilliantly reasoned and written opinion--make that conservative opinion. (In fairness, I don't think Trump had any way to know this at the time he nominated Gorsuch)

These things and more were done in the face of unprecedented resistance and hostility directed toward Trump from all quarters.

Make no mistake, I don't for one second defend Trump's demeanor, tweets, and other comments about individuals. If by "Trumpism" you mean this, I fail to see how that is a lasting issue. This kind of Trumpism will be gone the moment he leaves office. The accomplishments I mentioned above will endure and were mostly long time elements of the GOP agenda.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I'm not interested in Cuban. That's why I asked why you think he's perfect.

Bill Gates has done more, particularly in the field of medicine so why not Gates for president?

Daniel Snyder came into money the same way Cuban did, maybe Snyder should consider it.

Bezos is trying to own the world, why not let him try being president?

Look I was all over Perot in 92. He spoke my language. Was a third party self made billionaire but more importantly he actually formed a third party cleansed of the hypocritical stench at the time.

He would have been a f#$king disaster in hindsight.

Hell he couldn't take the public scrutiny of his campaign and flaked out halfway through it when he had momentum.

For these guys it seems it's more about the glorification based on a very simple and vague political platform.
The critical failure to these outsiders is that to be successful, they have to actually use political skills...which means work with a wide array of strong personalities where in this case are 100% against you since you just strolled in with zero political relationships built. Compare that to starting their own business and getting their way with little resistance.

It's a totally different world of influence. Entrepreneurs are naturally entrepreneurs because they don't want to deal with politics.

Koch ran in the 70's. Perot in the 90's. Forbes ran in the 00's.

Billionaire candidates running as an outsider are not new. All were eventually seen as loonies. Only one got elected and he's likely to go down in history as the worst president of all time.

Like I said, if Cuban wants to go into politics then run for mayor, senator or governor and see if he likes it and is good at it.

Of course that wouldn't interest him.

False equivalencies.

Snyder, Bezos and Perot are hardly Cuban when it comes to small business, social awareness or moderate thinking. Mark sits just left of center and gets it. Gates would be a tremendous advisor which is all he would be interested in.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I'm not interested in Cuban. That's why I asked why you think he's perfect.

Bill Gates has done more, particularly in the field of medicine so why not Gates for president?

Daniel Snyder came into money the same way Cuban did, maybe Snyder should consider it.

Bezos is trying to own the world, why not let him try being president?

Look I was all over Perot in 92. He spoke my language. Was a third party self made billionaire but more importantly he actually formed a third party cleansed of the hypocritical stench at the time.

He would have been a f#$king disaster in hindsight.

Hell he couldn't take the public scrutiny of his campaign and flaked out halfway through it when he had momentum.

For these guys it seems it's more about the glorification based on a very simple and vague political platform.
The critical failure to these outsiders is that to be successful, they have to actually use political skills...which means work with a wide array of strong personalities where in this case are 100% against you since you just strolled in with zero political relationships built. Compare that to starting their own business and getting their way with little resistance.

It's a totally different world of influence. Entrepreneurs are naturally entrepreneurs because they don't want to deal with politics.

Koch ran in the 70's. Perot in the 90's. Forbes ran in the 00's.

Billionaire candidates running as an outsider are not new. All were eventually seen as loonies. Only one got elected and he's likely to go down in history as the worst president of all time.

Like I said, if Cuban wants to go into politics then run for mayor, senator or governor and see if he likes it and is good at it.

Of course that wouldn't interest him.

You act as if "insiders" have some kind of inherent qualities that lend themselves to being good presidents. I don't see that. Yes, there are some insiders that might make good presidents but that isn't because they are insiders, it's because they have other qualities. As a general matter, I tend to think those who have significant personal accomplishments outside of government make better public servants than those whose total career has been government. Mitt Romney is such a person. There are others.

 

[meridian]

Do you even know why Trump was elected?

Yes, I do. We have too many Lucy’s in this once great country.

 

[Lucy01]

Yes, I do. We have too many Lucy’s in this once great country.

He wouldn’t have been elected if the left would quit telling people how to live their lives! Or half the voters hate the other half.

 

[sglowrider]

Cult MAGA..... Today




Interesting thing about that is:

1. It was a glass rather than a bottle so he only needed to bring it up to his lips.
2. He still struggled with that and he couldn’t raise it enough to actually take a meaningful sip.
3. He threw the glass away dramatically to end the stunt which meant nobody could point out the fact he didn’t actually drink anything.


The thing is though, is this his stronger hand? If he struggles like this and doesn’t switch hand, how bad is his other hand? Inquisitive minds want to know.

 

[meridian]

His rally was a flop. Hilarious.

No, it was not a flop.

He showed us what a great mathematician he is. He brilliantly pointed out that if we reduce the number of tests, it will show less infected. Extending the logic, if we stop testing, we won’t have any Chinavirus to worry about!

What A great mathematician and physician Trump is. We are honored to have such a brilliant man as our president!

 

[sglowrider]

Amerika 2020...

 

[meridian]

Cult MAGA..... Today

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It is truly incredible that the audience go wild to see a man drinking water. Assuming that the audience represent the American public, I am really worried!

 

[Courtsensetwo]

No, it was not a flop.

He showed us what a great mathematician he is. He brilliantly pointed out that if we reduce the number of tests, it will show less infected. Extending the logic, if Stop testing, we won’t have any Chinavirus to worry about!

What A great mathematician and physician Trump is. We are honored to have such a brilliant man as our president!

Indeed, he has out King Kong'd the Rona.

 

[Sope Creek]

No, it was not a flop.

He showed us what a great mathematician he is. He brilliantly pointed out that if we reduce the number of tests, it will show less infected. Extending the logic, if Stop testing, we won’t have any Chinavirus to worry about!

What A great mathematician and physician Trump is. We are honored to have such a brilliant man as our president!

Congratulations, Lucy. You have converted Meridian!

Oh, and Happy Birfday!

 

[Lucy01]

Congratulations, Lucy. You have converted Meridian!

Oh, and Happy Birfday!

It’s about time, I love tacos!

 

[meridian]

Congratulations, Lucy. You have converted Meridian!

Oh, and Happy Birfday!

That is one of the stupidest posts I have seen on this board. Picking on a typo early in the morning? Furthermore, you insulted Lucy along the way; that is even more uncalled for. You need to apologize to Lucy!

 

[TommyCracker]

You act as if "insiders" have some kind of inherent qualities that lend themselves to being good presidents. I don't see that. Yes, there are some insiders that might make good presidents but that isn't because they are insiders, it's because they have other qualities. As a general matter, I tend to think those who have significant personal accomplishments outside of government make better public servants than those whose total career has been government. Mitt Romney is such a person. There are others.

Yeah, like who? Who are the political outsiders you can specifically point to? Ventura maybe (he actually wasn't a disaster as governor).

And why do so many just want to run for president?

You're falling for a romantic trope like you and many did for Trump.

It's why Andrew Yang has a legion of followers on social media (as he's another entrepreneur 'outsider' that tried to run who has a vague, idealistic platform that many are falling for but he has never had one minute of experience in any kind of government body).

How about Tom Steyer?

The best presidents know how to work with all three branches and the personalities within them. Even Reagan made an ally out of Tip O Neil.

Reagan knew how govt works. He didn't go straight from shooting Dark Victory into the White House.

 

[TommyCracker]

False equivalencies.

Snyder, Bezos and Perot are hardly Cuban when it comes to small business, social awareness or moderate thinking. Mark sits just left of center and gets it. Gates would be a tremendous advisor which is all he would be interested in.

Cuban can't stand to have to answer to the commissioner of the NBA much less the house, the senate, the judicial, the military, the voters, the media, the world, terrorists, etc.

He's entertaining on Shark Tank tho.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Yeah, like who?

George Washington.

 

[Cortez88]

Yeah, like who? Who are the political outsiders you can specifically point to? Ventura maybe (he actually wasn't a disaster as governor).

And why do so many just want to run for president?

You're falling for a romantic trope like you and many did for Trump.

It's why Andrew Yang has a legion of followers on social media (as he's another entrepreneur 'outsider' that tried to run who has a vague, idealistic platform that many are falling for but he has never had one minute of experience in any kind of government body).

How about Tom Steyer?

The best presidents know how to work with all three branches and the personalities within them. Even Reagan made an ally out of Tip O Neil.

Reagan knew how govt works. He didn't go straight from shooting Dark Victory into the White House.

People failing to recognize government as an industry that requires specialized skills is really dumb.

 

[jet812]

Mr Independence is also a one trick pony, caring only that everyone knows he is the only bipartisan on the board and thus the only one who can look at every issue with a clear eye. I’m not exactly sure what the grandiose quote “She had never demonstrated capacity for the future.” could possibly mean. Perhaps Mr, independent can clarify .

I’ll put it in terms you can understand, you’re a dummy that can’t see past your hatred of Trump to provide any meaningful input or have any meaningful discussion on any real subject matter.

I disagree. I think the GOP is alive and very well.

The word "Trumpism" is tossed around a lot. What do you think Trumpism is?

When I look at the Trump presidency I see a number of things; among them:

1. A message to the world that we will no longer be the world's policeman.
2. A message to our allies that they will no longer receive our protection for free.
3. Badly needed V.A. reform
4. Badly needed criminal justice reform
5. Badly needed tax reform
6. Badly needed public education reform.
7. Serious efforts at bringing jobs to the people who need them though such things as Opportunity Zones and other regulatory and tax incentives.
8. Improved North American trade deal
9. Right to Try and other FDA reforms
10. Most importantly, we have a judicial all-star on SCOTUS in the person of Neil Gorsuch. His Title VII opinion about gays and transgenders is a brilliantly reasoned and written opinion--make that conservative opinion. (In fairness, I don't think Trump had any way to know this at the time he nominated Gorsuch)

These things and more were done in the face of unprecedented resistance and hostility directed toward Trump from all quarters.

Make no mistake, I don't for one second defend Trump's demeanor, tweets, and other comments about individuals. If by "Trumpism" you mean this, I fail to see how that is a lasting issue. This kind of Trumpism will be gone the moment he leaves office. The accomplishments I mentioned above will endure and were mostly long time elements of the GOP agenda.

I am in favor of most, if not all of these agendas, I'm just not sure he’s been effective at resolving any of them effectively yet.

 

[sglowrider]

 

[sglowrider]

No, it was not a flop.

He showed us what a great mathematician he is. He brilliantly pointed out that if we reduce the number of tests, it will show less infected. Extending the logic, if we stop testing, we won’t have any Chinavirus to worry about!

What A great mathematician and physician Trump is. We are honored to have such a brilliant man as our president!

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I’ll put it in terms you can understand, you’re a dummy that can’t see past your hatred of Trump to provide any meaningful input or have any meaningful discussion on any real subject matter.

Bingo

But she knows this.

 

[sglowrider]

Got punked by a bunch of kids... And he has the keys to the nuclear football.

 

[UncleMark]

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Got punked by a bunch of kids... And he has the keys to the nuclear football.

Does anyone know why the fire marshal is lying about the attendance?

 

[TommyCracker]

I’ll put it in terms you can understand, you’re a dummy that can’t see past your hatred of Trump to provide any meaningful input or have any meaningful discussion on any real subject matter.

I am in favor of most, if not all of these agendas, I'm just not sure he’s been effective at resolving any of them effectively yet.

Do you think those ten vague points are exclusively conservative?

That's a greatest hits that every politician spews.

Who's against education reform????

Lol

I didn't see Healthcare though. I guess that means heath care reform is only a liberal concern/priority then?

 

[ButHerEmails]

People failing to recognize government as an industry that requires specialized skills is really dumb.

Tell that to republicans. For 40 years their motto has been “government sucks and can’t work. Elect us and we’ll prove it”

In 2008 they slightly updated to just outright opposing everything.

 

[hoot1]

People failing to recognize government as an industry that requires specialized skills is really dumb.

C88, legislating and oversight of the executive branch along with serving in the executive branch does require specialized skills which aren't necessarily acquired in the private sector as you pointed out.

Because of this, I have never quite bought into cries for term limits and highly questioned what draining the swamp meant.

My heroes are Hoosiers Republican Dick Lugar and Democrat Lee Hamilton.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Does anyone know why the fire marshal is lying about the attendance?

 

[T.M.P.]

lol ........

"smaller than we expected" ..

"can't keep your polls up"

"not as big as you promised"

lmao ..

LP is down right ruthless

Arizona may be cringe on a whole new level ..

 

[zeke4ahs]

I’ll put it in terms you can understand, you’re a dummy that can’t see past your hatred of Trump to provide any meaningful input or have any meaningful discussion on any real subject matter.

I am in favor of most, if not all of these agendas, I'm just not sure he’s been effective at resolving any of them effectively yet.

There is no meaningful discussion with anyone who is ignorant enough to still support Trump. I’m sorry I guess I’ve missed your deep intellectual contributions to this board . I’ll try to pay more attention. But then again, resorting to name calling isn’t normally a trait intellectuals generally have to lower themselves to.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Bingo

But she knows this.

But you are so arrogant to think you have the only bipartisan independent perspective. And of course I hate Trump and I certainly don’t deny it. I’m proud of it. Any person with decency, integrity and morality does.

 

[bawlmer]

Do you think those ten vague points are exclusively conservative?

That's a greatest hits that every politician spews.

Who's against education reform????

Lol

I didn't see Healthcare though. I guess that means heath care reform is only a liberal concern/priority then?

By denouncing Obamacare, which incorporated every good market- based idea Republicans ever had about health care, they've backed themselves into a corner on the topic that they can't get out of. Dems should pound them on the issue through election day.

 

[sglowrider]

But you are so arrogant to think you have the only bipartisan independent perspective. And of course I hate Trump and I certainly don’t deny it. I’m proud of it. Any person with decency, integrity and morality does.

Thats the difference between you and me. Everyone here who knows me knows I am an independent like Courtsense. Hate is a strong word.
I only somewhat loath Trump for the obvious reasons. He is probably the only person I experience schadenfreude -- and Kentucky and Purdue.... and now Tulsa.

 

[T.M.P.]

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Interesting thing about that is:

1. It was a glass rather than a bottle so he only needed to bring it up to his lips.
2. He still struggled with that and he couldn’t raise it enough to actually take a meaningful sip.
3. He threw the glass away dramatically to end the stunt which meant nobody could point out the fact he didn’t actually drink anything.


The thing is though, is this his stronger hand? If he struggles like this and doesn’t switch hand, how bad is his other hand? Inquisitive minds want to know.

 

[iuwclurker]

Thats the difference between you and me. Everyone here who knows me knows I am an independent like Courtsense. Hate is a strong word.
I only somewhat loath Trump for the obvious reasons. He is probably the only person I experience schadenfreude -- and Kentucky and Purdue.... and now Tulsa.

Trump is a Racist

There are two kinds of racists in the US today. Those who happily accept Trump as a fellow racist and those who deny he is one.

Hatred is a choice. Why anyone would infect their heart or mind with hatred, for any reason, is beyond me.

 

[VanPastorMan]

It is truly incredible that the audience go wild to see a man drinking water. Assuming that the audience represent the American public, I am really worried!

I'm more worried that people would actually vote for Biden. Is he really the best the left can do?