Trump fires Comey

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You want an example of someone being played, it's right here in this thread, as my fellow leftists are getting played by CO like a banjo. He picked two examples of details that the original reports on may very well have been incorrect. And you guys follow him down that rabbit hole, while forgetting that he only did it to distract from Mark's more general observation:

Trump's version of events -- not just this particular dinner, but nearly all events -- always differs from those reported by the reputable outlets, and by his own supporters, spokespeople, and staff.

Mark was right, and he's even more right today. Trump has changed his story so much in 24 hours he's made his entire staff liars.

 

[toastedbread]

You want an example of someone being played, it's right here in this thread, as my fellow leftists are getting played by CO like a banjo. He picked two examples of details that the original reports on may very well have been incorrect. And you guys follow him down that rabbit hole, while forgetting that he only did it to distract from Mark's more general observation:

Mark was right, and he's even more right today. Trump has changed his story so much in 24 hours he's made his entire staff liars.

is there anyone on earth that believes what trump says? No matter what he claims i assume the exact opposite is true.

 

[Lucy01]

is there anyone on earth that believes what trump says? No matter what he claims i assume the exact opposite is true.

I believe what Trump is saying.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

I believe what Trump is saying.

Did you hear him say to delete your account?

 

[Lucy01]

Did you hear him say to delete your account?

No I didn't him say that at all.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

No I didn't him say that at all.

 

[Lucy01]

You not fooling me, President Trump didn't say that.

 

[iu_a_att]

You want an example of someone being played, it's right here in this thread, as my fellow leftists are getting played by CO like a banjo. He picked two examples of details that the original reports on may very well have been incorrect. And you guys follow him down that rabbit hole, while forgetting that he only did it to distract from Mark's more general observation:

Mark was right, and he's even more right today. Trump has changed his story so much in 24 hours he's made his entire staff liars.

CO is "Rocket man" whose entire approach to this situation is distraction. But he is a perfect illustration of a more general point brought up by Max Boot in today's NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/...ans-stand-up-to-trump.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
Boot, a lifelong Republican surveys the damage done to our political system by Trump and asks when any Republicans stand up against those offenses? He fears the answer...we should too.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Trump has alternative tapes.

That's witty. The WC's Witless Wonder should take note and learn what an actual witty comment looks like.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

surveys the damage done to our political system

The difference between me an Boot is that I think damaging our political system is a damn good thing. Seems like every week I read about more deputy so-and-so's or deputy assistant so-and-so's, congressional staffers, or even high White House advisors being married to others in government, or married to reporters or anchors, or related to all the above, or related or married to lobbyists. It is no wonder that our government functions like a scene from Deliverance. The whole damn system needs to blow up. There is no independent thought. There is no accountability. There is no responsibility. People don't lose their jobs for screw-ups. Seems like everything, and everything that is said about everything, is the product of a huge cesspit.

Trump is doing a good thing by breaking many of these connections. People don't like it. The system that runs on leaks, innuendos, hush money, favors, paybacks, and incestious relationships must be torn apart. As far as I am concerned, the more government business done at Mar-A-Lago or Bedminster, the better.

 

[iu_a_att]

The difference between me an Boot is that I think damaging our political system is a damn good thing.

Yes...I don't think Boot had understood the degree to which your demographic has gone postal. But I think Trump is bringing it home to all of us. But to say Trump is about accountability is laughable. Trump is about making sure that people don't lose their jobs for screwing up...he is the anti-accountability guy...he is all about leaks, innuendo,, hush money, favors, paybacks and incestious relationships...that is precisely his shtick.

 

[UncleMark]

Wouldn't one think the most angry person at Trump is Pence? I may have no respect for Pence the politician, but I think he is an earnest guy who thinks his misplaced ideas are what the country needs.

Pence's facade of being a "principled politician" was destroyed when he sold out to the lying, unprincipled, philanderer Trump for strategic political gain. (He never expected to become Vice President in 2017, he was positioning himself for a Presidential run in 2020.)

 

[UncleMark]

The "reputable outlets" are being played by anti-Trump leakers and confidential sources.

The leakers and sources from within the White House?

 

[UncleMark]

You guys need to quit relying the "reputable outlets". Especially these days when the anti-Trump leakers are playing them by the hour.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/11/acti...-backs-up-trump-on-request-for-resources.html

You know McCabe is gone as soon as Trump's new lackey is in place, don't you?

He contradicted Trump in his testimony this week. Dead man walking.

 

[Bill4411]

The difference between me an Boot is that I think damaging our political system is a damn good thing. Seems like every week I read about more deputy so-and-so's or deputy assistant so-and-so's, congressional staffers, or even high White House advisors being married to others in government, or married to reporters or anchors, or related to all the above, or related or married to lobbyists. It is no wonder that our government functions like a scene from Deliverance. The whole damn system needs to blow up. There is no independent thought. There is no accountability. There is no responsibility. People don't lose their jobs for screw-ups. Seems like everything, and everything that is said about everything, is the product of a huge cesspit.

Trump is doing a good thing by breaking many of these connections. People don't like it. The system that runs on leaks, innuendos, hush money, favors, paybacks, and incestious relationships must be torn apart. As far as I am concerned, the more government business done at Mar-A-Lago or Bedminster, the better.

If this is what you really believe then you have the right man as your President. I for one don't really want to see our country destroyed just to satisfy you and Steve Bannon's egos.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

If this is what you really believe then you have the right man as your President. I for one don't really want to see our country destroyed just to satisfy you and Steve Bannon's egos.

The people I am talking about couldn't even get Hillary elected when she faced off against the biggest buffoon ever to run for POTUS. And you don't think they would ruin the county? They have no clue about the "country". My ego has nothing to do with this.

As far as Bannon is concerned, the only public comment he has made since he moved into his White House office was to say he would begin the dismantle the administrative state. If you don't think that is a good, you need to think again.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You know McCabe is gone as soon as Trump's new lackey is in place, don't you?

He contradicted Trump in his testimony this week. Dead man walking.

Yeah. So what?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

The leakers and sources from within the White House?

That's the claim.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Yes...I don't think Boot had understood the degree to which your demographic has gone postal. But I think Trump is bringing it home to all of us. But to say Trump is about accountability is laughable. Trump is about making sure that people don't lose their jobs for screwing up...he is the anti-accountability guy...he is all about leaks, innuendo,, hush money, favors, paybacks and incestious relationships...that is precisely his shtick.

Trump fired Flynn. The previous president adopted an anonymous screen name to communicate Hillary's private server--and then denied he knew about it until he saw it in the papers. Accountability!

 

[Marvin the Martian]

[QUOTE="CO. Hoosier, post: 2152237, member: 524"Hillary elected when she faced off against the biggest buffoon ever to run for POTUS. And you don't think they would ruin the county?[/QUOTE]

Hmm, my phone did not grab the whole quote. But how is that not a big slam against the Republicans. 20 campaign staffs of the best and brightest the Republicans had could not stop him?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

That's the claim.

You've gone 'round the bend.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You want an example of someone being played, it's right here in this thread, as my fellow leftists are getting played by CO like a banjo. He picked two examples of details that the original reports on may very well have been incorrect. And you guys follow him down that rabbit hole, while forgetting that he only did it to distract from Mark's more general observation:

Mark was right, and he's even more right today. Trump has changed his story so much in 24 hours he's made his entire staff liars.

You don't get it goat. My post is not about Trump. It is about the "reputable outlets". Trump has taken a heavy toll on the quality and ethics of journalism--or what was left of it. The "reputable media" is so caught up in anti-Trumpism that they allow themselves to get played by any anti-Trumper.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You don't get it goat. My post is not about Trump. It is about the "reputable outlets". Trump has taken a heavy toll on the quality and ethics of journalism--or what was left of it. The "reputable media" is so caught up in anti-Trumpism that they allow themselves to get played by any anti-Trumper.

I do get it. You responded to a post about Trump with a post about the media. You changed the subject. That's your game. You don't have an answer for someone, you change the subject to something else.

 

[UncleMark]

The previous president adopted an anonymous screen name to communicate Hillary's private server--and then denied he knew about it until he saw it in the papers.

Breitbart? InfoWars? WND?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Breitbart? InfoWars? WND?

Emails.

 

[UncleMark]

Emails.

Idiot.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Idiot.

Indeed he was.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Breitbart? InfoWars? WND?

Politico, Reuters, others. Why so quick to dismiss every post from others just because they're on the othe side of the aisle?

President Barack Obama used a pseudonym in email communications with Hillary Clinton and others, according to FBI records . . . ​

 

[iu_a_att]

The firing of Comey and Trump's comments about it seem to point to a compelling case Trump is trying to obstruct justice.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39902108
The last paragraph of the article is very interesting.

Is this a constitutional crisis?
Not yet, said Ms Karlan. "Right now this is a president behaving extraordinarily badly. The question is what will the various institutions of government do about this.

"If it becomes clear that the president is trying to obstruct justice and Congress does nothing, that moves us towards a constitutional crisis. If Congress doesn't fulfil its role as a check on the president, that's a real problem."​

I would say that Trump and his enablers in the GOP are moving us rapidly towards just such problem.

 

[iu_a_att]

Politico, Reuters, others. Why so quick to dismiss every post from others just because they're on the othe side of the aisle?

President Barack Obama used a pseudonym in email communications with Hillary Clinton and others, according to FBI records . . . ​

What in the world does this have to do with the current situation? Trump just fired the head of the FBI apparently to kill an investigation that he and his campaign colluded with a hostile power in order to influence our elections. Are these situations at all comparable in your mind?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

What in the world does this have to do with the current situation? Trump just fired the head of the FBI apparently to kill an investigation that he and his campaign colluded with a hostile power in order to influence our elections. Are these situations at all comparable in your mind?

You must not be following the conversation. I was only pointing out that a poster was correct after another incorrectly dismissed him. I didn't in any way say situations were comparable.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You must not be following the conversation. I was only pointing out that a poster was correct after another incorrectly dismissed him. I didn't in any way say situations were comparable.

Actually, CO's specific statement was not accurate. He twisted the actual situation into a pretzel to make Obama look bad. So, while your post was correct, it didn't really speak to what CO was actually being criticized for.

 

[iu_a_att]

Actually, CO's specific statement was not accurate. He twisted the actual situation into a pretzel to make Obama look bad. So, while your post was correct, it didn't really speak to what CO was actually being criticized for.

moreover the whole Obama situation is another distraction from the situation with Trump firing Comey.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Actually, CO's specific statement was not accurate. He twisted the actual situation into a pretzel to make Obama look bad. So, while your post was correct, it didn't really speak to what CO was actually being criticized for.

The facts were correct concerning President Obama's emailing HRC using a pseudonym email. That those emails were to HRC's private homegrown server account and that it happened before he read about HRC's email setup in the paper are also facts. As is that he said he learned about HRC's email setup in the paper. Considering those facts, it seems he should have known when he said he didn't, but it is possible he didn't recognize that her email address wasn't a government email address so it's an opinion that he lied. Don't know why he had a pseudonym email address, that seems unusual, but I'd also say that it's an opinion and not a fact that he set it up or used it solely to communicate with HRC on the down low on her server.

It's also true that Trump fired Flynn.

COH's wasn't focused on the subject of the thread, but the facts of his post were facts and the part about why President did the factual part is an opinion. I think it's a reasonable opinion, but it's still an opinion.

I only responded to the response because I think it was inappropriate to a mostly factual post. Just about everyone here posts about the facts and adds his/her opinion about those facts. Uncivil responses are all too common and why the civility level is so consistently low.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

COH's wasn't focused on the subject of the thread

This is they key point, and why CO gets in so many food fights here. He's a master deflector.

 

[Ladoga]

If they both have tapes, shouldn't they match exactly?

Who believes Comey has tapes? No one has said Comey has tapes. Looks like Trump haters have misinterpreted Trump's statement.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

This is they key point, and why CO gets in so many food fights here. He's a master deflector.

I think it's natural that posts lead to related subjects. It happens here all the time just like it happens in face to face conversations and I'm good with that. I'd guess that some probably do it more than others and others don't like it.

 

[IUCrazy2]

[QUOTE="CO. Hoosier, post: 2152237, member: 524"Hillary elected when she faced off against the biggest buffoon ever to run for POTUS. And you don't think they would ruin the county?

Hmm, my phone did not grab the whole quote. But how is that not a big slam against the Republicans. 20 campaign staffs of the best and brightest the Republicans had could not stop him?[/QUOTE]

I think it speaks to the general disconnect that the entrenched political class has from their constituents. Trump pulled it off on the right because he faced an extremely divided field. If the Democratic field had just 2 more somewhat competitive candidates then I firmly believe Hillary would have lost to a socialist who only became a Democrat because there are currently only 2 viable paths to the Presidency.

Trump and Sanders represent the vast swath of people on the left and right who are currently disaffected and to some degree are becoming more strident (militant?) in their beliefs. Each agrees on one thing though. They hate the system. And the system is comprised of mainstream Republicans and Democrats.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

The firing of Comey and Trump's comments about it seem to point to a compelling case Trump is trying to obstruct justice.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39902108
The last paragraph of the article is very interesting.

Is this a constitutional crisis?
Not yet, said Ms Karlan. "Right now this is a president behaving extraordinarily badly. The question is what will the various institutions of government do about this.

"If it becomes clear that the president is trying to obstruct justice and Congress does nothing, that moves us towards a constitutional crisis. If Congress doesn't fulfil its role as a check on the president, that's a real problem."​

I would say that Trump and his enablers in the GOP are moving us rapidly towards just such problem.

It is very difficult to investigate, let alone obstruct, something that isn't there. The Russian collusion thing sprang up from nowhere in December. The Democrats have been all-in on that allegation for months. Despite all the leaks to the "reputable outlets," despite the FISA surveillance in Trump Tower, despite the leaks of the FISA Russian surveillance, despite the Obama order of distributing the FISA material to everybody and their brother, despite the questionable unmasking, and despite the unequivocal statements by those who know (Clapper, Feinstein, Comey), the Democrats persist in clinging to the collusion theory. There is zero, zip, nada, evidence about that. We have more clear cut evidence that Obama colluded with Iran over the nuke and ransom deals and nobody gives a crap.

 

[RBB89]

Who believes Comey has tapes? No one has said Comey has tapes. Looks like Trump haters have misinterpreted Trump's statement.

WTF are you talking about?

This isn't a hater thing. The man is legitimately acting like a lunatic.