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In 2021 under Miller we were 12-15, with a final KenPom of 50, 70 on offense and 53 on d.
In 2022 under MW we were 21-14, with a final KenPom of 48, 95 on offense and 24 on D.
Miller was 35-31 after 2 seasons. He was 0-2 in the BTT, and no NCAA appearances. Woodson is 44-26 after 2 seasons. He's 3-2 in the BTT and 2 NCAA appearances.
That's not close to similar results.
It’s not. We are clearly much better with Woody than lil arch. But the dude that started this thread thinks we are vying for a F4 this year because everyone is going to be sooooo much better in a couple months. He’s probably 12. Most of us seniors have a little better idea what it takes to compete at the highest level. We’ve seen it.
Shhhh....it is in some people's minds. If you squint hard enough it's basically the same.
Also the guy you're responding to is continuing to ignore my response to him about Danny Hurley at Uconn not even winning a tournament game until year 5. While he pretends like he had instant success at Uconn.
No need to take him too seriously.
You aren't the sharpest pencil in the box, huh?
The 12 wins was Covid year, with no fans and only 2 non major conf opponents. The next year had 8 low tier opponents.. That even Archie would have beat. So it's really 18 Ws vs 21 Ws.
Kpom finish 50 vs 48. Basically zero improvement.
Thanks for making my point. Basically the same result..1 win difference was the difference between the play in game in 22 and wrong side of the bubble in 21.
I'd be surprised if we could even get back to 50 in kpom this season.
Archie was literally under .500 his last year and the team had quit on him, you can pretend all you want that it's the same but it's not.
Just don't hurt your eyes while you squint.
IU improved 30 spots on D and led the BIG10 in defensive efficiency in Woodson's first year.
Also 12 to 21 is NOT a 1 win difference lmao.
Not sure it makes sense to compare a coach's 4th year with another coach's 1st year. Both are playing with coach 1's players.
I don't count trashy buy games. They are worthless.
If the barometer is a failed coach that got fired after 4 yards, then yeah Woodson is doing great.
If the idea is that he's somehow doing significantly better, then you are just lying to yourself.
Well he's in his 3rd year now.... Anyone want to bet he does better than Miller's 3rd year?
Back to this year's team ... I'd rather X just have not been here.... Let some of the others play and develop without him and see what they can do with extensive run. This year is not setting up to amount to anything significant so let's see what we have with these other guys going forward.
She’s not lying to herself. Mrs Woody is standing up for her man. Against all sense of reality.
IMO, this team's ceiling is higher than any we've had since 2013 and X is a big part of that. He's the bulldog we'll need when the going gets tough. I do wonder if he's lost a step with his foot-speed, though.
I hope you're wrong but fear you're right. The guy is what 24 or 25? In his sixth year. Injured again. Gets harder and harder to think we're going to see anything different.
Let's see how it plays out. I don't see it at all, but will be happy to be wrong. Looks like a 17-18 win team to me. We'll know soon enough.
Yep he is proving to be a great recruiter of guard shooting talent right? I guess the state of Indiana doesn't have any shooters in it. I know there's a lot of negativity but your one sided things are great and getting better is a bit too rosey fo reality...
X has been top 50 in assist rate every year. Top 20 his first year here. Do you not think that's worth a damn?
Galloway makes few mistakes (turnovers, fouls) while playing big minutes in conference games. People didn't seem to notice how many times he had to guard the other team's best guard last year because JHS couldn't (including Young at Maryland).
Why are you surprised that everyone here is so damn miserable? It's been 25 plus years of hell. Also, truest Tweet ever written.
I can’t stand Purdue. They are very good. They could win it all. They could also choke again.
I wish we had the opportunity to choke.
You wanna bet? This is said almost evert year and it's never true.
Not true at all; I expect individual improvement ... but the players are hamstrung by its coach's offensive "philosophy" (whatever it is). It's the system that's flawed.
In 2+ seasons, the 3-point shot has not been a priority, and that's not up for debate. There's a limit to a team's potential when it rarely utilizes the most important shot in basketball. You think a good shooter wants to come to IU? Why would he? Knecht and others probably looked at the offense and said, "Not for me."
Woodson inherited a much better roster. I'd still take Woodson over archie. in reality neither has sniffed what Crean accomplished. jury is still out on Woodson time will tell
I find this threat very ironical. Somewhere Archie Miller is smiling, and MW is frowning.
Langford is coming off the bench averaging 6 points a game for the Utah Stars in the G-league, as a sophomore in high school he probably was one of the top 10 players in his class, after that it was a steady regression. he simply is a poor shooter, when your job title has something your poor at it in it's description, it's a bad sign.
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isn't Archie still getting paid 3x by IU vs what CMW is? (unless he received a lump sum, get out of town payment).
I'd be smiling too.
Langford injuries have derailed what would have been an even better one year at IU, and pro career. Kid was banged up entire senior year, and freshman year(Indiana). He shot the ball extremely well in HS, until injuring his wrist and back. Never the same.
nope not injuries, that's just an excuse, it's a helluva lot easier to shoot against the Borden Braves than it is against the Denver Nuggets. He had great potential but never reached it. all kinds of factors could be to blame. Hès a smart kid and should be set for life.
No. The buy out was in monthly payments over the time remaining on the contract and was reduced by whatever he’s being paid now to coach.
Ha, I’m slow today (esp as you’ve made that reply before a # of times).
My view of him was white pants, white golf shirt, black mask and a terrible scowl.
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