It's been 2 seasons and Woodson has done a good job so far considering what he inherited.
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1. Implying Woody is on the hot seat is ignorant...
2. Not sure how much better IU was/looked vs Harvard. Still had trouble defnding the 3----struggled with rebounding----got beat off the bounce....and of course, couldn't make shots.
3. Of course the youngin's will improve...It aint the youngin's I am worried about---Its the old dudes in TG and X. Both have been pretty bad.
Shooting has to get better. IU cannot ride the coattails of MR and Ware. Teams are gonna take that away----Then what?
Just haven't seen much improvement from Game one, to Game 6. If any TBH.
Mgbako looked WAY better against Harvard and it looks like Cupps is getting his feet under him as well. Their improvements raise the team's ceiling for sure.
I'm also a bit concerned about X and Trey, Trey is simply not a starting 2 guard on a good team.
I wonder if Newton wasn't hurt if he would be taking any of those minutes.
X is what he is at this point, inconsistent, injury prone, and not a good leader.
I like the rest of the team but I would be lying if I didn't admit I was a bit concerned about those two.
Who has given CMW a pass because of his history with IU? Has he needed a pass? This whole discussion is BS. Just like any newly hired coach, he is going to be given a chance to rebuild the program based on his vision. Nothing to do with his status as a former player for IU
Jakai would have TG parked on the bench if healthy...
MM looked good, 7-13 from the floor. His offense will come. Its his defense that needs fixed.
I like Cupps----Hoping Woody , with this injury to X, gives him lots of PT at the 1; Gallo there is a fukin disaster.
Personally, I'd like to see more Banks. IMO this kid just needs PT, to get the experience.
Roll with...…..
Gabe
Banks
MM
Reneau
Ware..
More ISO/pin downs for MM....Spread the floor, give MR more room to work---dude has been a monster.
Not really. One argument is based on winning, which is really what it all comes down to. If CMW can win often enough, he will continue to have/gain support.
Watching Archieball then was like going to the dentist for every game. Either people are intentionally forgetting (PTSD) or they didn't watch.
I was never a miller apologist, and i don’t want this to come across as defending him , but one can make a very strong case the the 2020 team was better than 2022.
2020; 20-12 - final KenPom ranking 34. 65 in offense, 26 in Defense
2022: 21-14 - final KenPom 48. 95 in offense, 24 in D
Both teams were nearly identical in D, but the offensive numbers were much better in 2020.
The tournament was cancelled in 2020, but IMHO they had a better resume than the 2022 that made the play in game.
I don't know why anyone insists on changing history like this. I believe it was 98 of the 99 most cited bracketologists had IU in - whatever the number, it was overwhelming. That's as close to a lock as it can be absent seeing the actual bracket.
KP is just one rating service, but the bottom line is that the 2020 team and the 2022 team were much more similar than many people here like to admit.
Maybe in the old college era, your argument would hold water. In the current era, it has leaks all over the place. With free agency every off-season and a huge NIL budget, IU should not be as...uhnm.... Not good...as they are in year 3. Hell Butler looks better than IU in only Matta's 2nd year.... And they were really pretty bad last year.
This team is not very good - as we sit here today. Doesn't mean they can't get a lot better as the season goes on.
What does that even matter? Even if they are similar years, Miller did that 1 out of 4 years and his last year was terrible. Woodson has been been 20+ wins and 2 tournaments in 2 years. His next “bad” year will be his first.
Woodson is the best coach since Knight and it’s not close. He coaches until he retires imo.
How do you even know IU is "not good"? Do you have a crystal ball? Nobody has any idea how good IU is going to be with most of their best players being young and it only being 6 games into the season.
The BIG10 hasn't even started and IU is 5-1. These posts are laughable at this point.
Exactly. It’s funny to me how so many people are saying our guards are bad while we have 2 big men both shooting 60%+ from the floor. Of course our guards aren’t shooting a lot. And Galloway’s stats are up across the board except for 3 pt %. So if he is bad he has always been bad. But he is not. He is not a scoring guard but he is a good guard.
Because I have eyes and have watched college basketball for 40 years. They have not been good.... Therefore not good. Anyone claiming otherwise has some serious crimson shades on.
Doesn't mean they can't be better in the future. They played much better in the Harvard game, for example.
Well said .... because of the "karen" shit .. WTF?
fwiw - criticism is fine... if it's valid and thought out... but not when it's just emotional butthurt bleating.
I don't remember which year but, for me, there was a definite game in which the team was playing poorly and Archie just stared out on the floor and did nothing. He didn't yell at them. He didn't make substitutions. He didn't even stand up.That’s very likely true.However, I was ready for Archie to go during the fourth year. I didn’t think it would happen, but was pleased they made it happen. It didn’t work out. It happens.
He just had this stupid look on his face like he didn't know what to do. I was done with him after that.
Yeah, this currently is not a good team. It has some upper-level talent in the front positions but also has glaring holes in the backcourt and has not so far built much chemistry. If you want to blame someone just to blame someone, blame the coach. That's the cost of leadership ..
It could be a very good defensive team, but offensively unless by some miracle the backcourt will cause struggles..
Plus, no one is saying we're good enough .. I think most are just responding to the emotional butthurt dumb that is so prevalent here..
The guard play and lack of triple-threat perimeter scorers is killing us, especially with the way Galloway is playing. That was a huge blunder by the coaching staff. It's not like they didn't try but trying isn't good enough. We needed a 1 or 2 the last cycle and failed to sign one and it's biting us in the ass ..
I don't have great expectations for this current team .. and if I did what would it matter?
Also, I do hope IU never recruits another perimeter player that can't shoot ... or one that needs work on their shot.
It's 2023, if you can't shoot, you can't play the 1, 2, 3 or 4 spot in basketball. The horrible mechanics on some of our players ... WTF happened to shooting?
Mack and Ware are fine or good enough ... everyone else has some f**ked up glitch. Reminds me of 90s PU teams ... ugly ass jumpers.
fwiw statistically.... we know all the bad stats... here's two good ones. IU has been hovering between 1 to 5 in FTR and 2pt FG %. If we can continue to draw fouls and hit foul shots, that offsets some of the 3 pt shooting. Rebounding needs to be improved ... drastically.
We can offset the shooting advantage in multiple ways, TO, FT, Off Reb .. win those three battles win the game. We're not out shooting anyone..
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| Date | Time | Type | Opponent | Conf | SRS ▼ | Tm | Opp | OT | W | L | Streak | Arena | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 18 | Tue, Jan 16, 2024 | REG | Purdue (1) | Big Ten | 30.79 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 24 | Sat, Feb 10, 2024 | 8:00p | REG | @ | Purdue (1) | Big Ten | 30.79 | Mackey Arena | |||||||
| 15 | Sat, Jan 6, 2024 | REG | Ohio State | Big Ten | 21.20 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 23 | Tue, Feb 6, 2024 | REG | @ | Ohio State | Big Ten | 21.20 | Value City Arena | ||||||||
| 4 | Sun, Nov 19, 2023 | 1:00p | REG | N | Connecticut (5) | Big East | 20.95 | L | 57 | 77 | 3 | 1 | L 1 | Madison Square Garden (IV) | |
| 10 | Sat, Dec 16, 2023 | REG | Kansas (5) | Big 12 | 20.48 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 31 | Sun, Mar 10, 2024 | REG | Michigan State | Big Ten | 18.13 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 9 | Sat, Dec 9, 2023 | 2:00p | REG | N | Auburn | SEC | 17.16 | State Farm Arena | |||||||
| 21 | Tue, Jan 30, 2024 | 7:00p | REG | Iowa | Big Ten | 16.90 | Assembly Hall | ||||||||
| 20 | Sat, Jan 27, 2024 | 3:00p | REG | @ | Illinois (24) | Big Ten | 16.48 | State Farm Center | |||||||
| 19 | Fri, Jan 19, 2024 | 8:30p | REG | @ | Wisconsin | Big Ten | 14.00 | ||||||||
| 28 | Tue, Feb 27, 2024 | REG | Wisconsin | Big Ten | 14.00 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 14 | Wed, Jan 3, 2024 | 9:00p | REG | @ | Nebraska | Big Ten | 13.52 | Pinnacle Bank Arena | |||||||
| 26 | Wed, Feb 21, 2024 | REG | Nebraska | Big Ten | 13.52 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 16 | Tue, Jan 9, 2024 | 7:00p | REG | @ | Rutgers | Big Ten | 13.34 | Rutgers Athletic Center | |||||||
| 25 | Sun, Feb 18, 2024 | REG | Northwestern | Big Ten | 11.18 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 8 | Tue, Dec 5, 2023 | 9:00p | REG | @ | Michigan | Big Ten | 10.40 | Crisler Arena | |||||||
| 22 | Sat, Feb 3, 2024 | 12:00p | REG | Penn State | Big Ten | 10.37 | Assembly Hall | ||||||||
| 27 | Sat, Feb 24, 2024 | 12:00p | REG | @ | Penn State | Big Ten | 10.37 | Bryce Jordan Center | |||||||
| 7 | Fri, Dec 1, 2023 | 7:00p | REG | Maryland | Big Ten | 5.85 | Assembly Hall | ||||||||
| 29 | Sun, Mar 3, 2024 | 2:00p | REG | @ | Maryland | Big Ten | 5.85 | Xfinity Center | |||||||
| 6 | Sun, Nov 26, 2023 | 4:30p | REG | Harvard | Ivy | 5.19 | W | 89 | 76 | 5 | 1 | W 2 | Gainbridge Fieldhouse | ||
| 3 | Thu, Nov 16, 2023 | 7:00p | REG | Wright State | Horizon | 5.05 | W | 89 | 80 | 3 | 0 | W 3 | Assembly Hall | ||
| 17 | Fri, Jan 12, 2024 | REG | Minnesota | Big Ten | -0.63 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 30 | Wed, Mar 6, 2024 | 9:00p | REG | @ | Minnesota | Big Ten | -0.63 | Williams Arena | |||||||
| 11 | Tue, Dec 19, 2023 | REG | Morehead State | OVC | -1.64 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 5 | Mon, Nov 20, 2023 | 4:30p | REG | N | Louisville | ACC | -3.52 | W | 74 | 66 | 4 | 1 | W 1 | Madison Square Garden (IV) | |
| 1 | Tue, Nov 7, 2023 | 6:30p | REG | Florida Gulf Coast | A-Sun | -6.94 | W | 69 | 63 | 1 | 0 | W 1 | |||
| 12 | Thu, Dec 21, 2023 | REG | North Alabama | A-Sun | -8.57 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 13 | Fri, Dec 29, 2023 | REG | Kennesaw State | A-Sun | -13.45 | Assembly Hall | |||||||||
| 2 | Sun, Nov 12, 2023 | 7:00p | REG | Army | Patriot | -18.34 | W | 72 | 64 | 2 | 0 | W 2 | Assembly Hall |
Look at the teams we've played vs the teams yet to come.
Facial expression experts crack me up ..
100% agree.... Getting talented big men is usually the challenge for college teams, we've done that pretty consistently for a while now.
But it's a perimeter oriented game in modern basketball. You have to get some combo of capable "get your own" guys along with at least two guys on the floor that the other team has to guard out to the 3 pt line. We haven't had it .. And it's not just now ... We haven't had it for years. Last year we at least had JHS and Kopp, but missed the other outside threat.
Now we've got... Well a lot of mediocrity. And what's frustrating is that there are those kind of guys all over college basketball. I refuse to believe there isn't some experienced, talented combo guard out there that we couldn't have added. Or if nothing else, another Kopp type.
One reason is ... IU was returning two backcourt starters.
Players generally go where minutes are, except for some teams in the SEC who somehow convince starter level transfers to sit the bench.
Not an excuse though... evaluate everyone possible and fill that spot, That's their job. At first, I thought they were just comfortable with what we had, but after seeing what we had in action..... well.
It's still early ...
way more engaged. The dude didn't have to play close to college level D in HS. This is brand new. Takes time. The effort and want to seem to be there. Will be fun watching him progress this year. You can see why he was a 5 star.
The difference between Woodson's first year and most of Miller's years was a pretty fine line. Obviously last year was better.
I like what I am seeing from both MM and Banks. By the end of the year that could be a heck of a combo. I honestly think, once healthy, X should look for his shot more. His % is solid and if he can get things going in addition to what we have seen from Ware and Reneau, we could be a much better team as we head into the second half the season.
Miller has been a HC for 12 years.....Woody 2+.
Miller: 4 NCAAT......4 wins.
Woody: 2 NCAAT....2 wins.
And three of those wins came in one tournament.
Its not even close.
Non-responsive. And Woodson rode an experienced all-time IU player that Miller recruited. All to beat a 13 seed and then get embarrassed by a 5 seed team
An experienced all time player that Miller recruited and won a whopping 14 games the year before Woodson got here. Woodson changed the trajectory of TJD.
Meh. IU lost 15 games Miller's last year. They lost 14 Woodson's 1st. That's not exactly an amazing change of trajectory.
And won 6 more games. Plus turned TJD into a better ball handler and passer essentially making him draftable.
They played more scrub games, Miller's last year had fewer games due to Covid.
Went from 7-12 (10th) to 9-11 (9th) in conference...all with TJD getting a year older. That's a nothing
the biggest difference between the two is Woodson is likable. and says the right things. Miller was cooked at the end lost the fan base, but the results are basically the same.
12 wins to 21 wins is nothing? With basically the same roster?
Maybe Archie deserved COY Lmao.
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