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The days of the NCAA governing body are numbered.

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The B1G and SEC are expanding for the sole purpose of muscling out the NCAA, who have been making some unpopular choices the last several years.

Eventually, the B1G and SEC will have 32 teams each, then they will merge, self govern separately from the NCAA and you will have a CFB Playoff scenario unfold, with a "National Championship" independent of the NCAA.

After that, you will see some sort of relegation similar to European Soccer, where the elites play the elites and the bottom feeders get relegated to a consolation league.

That is how I see it, and I hope IU isn't one of those relegated downward.
 
The B1G and SEC are expanding for the sole purpose of muscling out the NCAA, who have been making some unpopular choices the last several years.

Eventually, the B1G and SEC will have 32 teams each, then they will merge, self govern separately from the NCAA and you will have a CFB Playoff scenario unfold, with a "National Championship" independent of the NCAA.

After that, you will see some sort of relegation similar to European Soccer, where the elites play the elites and the bottom feeders get relegated to a consolation league.

That is how I see it, and I hope IU isn't one of those relegated downward.
Agree. Total power play.

Although I think it will be an AFC/NFC situation where they create a playoff where it’s B1G vs SEC in some form or fashion.
 
This may be how it ends up, we just don't know right now. I do think the NCAA will be pushed out of football as there has already been talk about Power 5 breaking away. Having a power 2 will just make it happen sooner.
 
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The B1G and SEC are expanding for the sole purpose of muscling out the NCAA, who have been making some unpopular choices the last several years.

Eventually, the B1G and SEC will have 32 teams each, then they will merge, self govern separately from the NCAA and you will have a CFB Playoff scenario unfold, with a "National Championship" independent of the NCAA.

After that, you will see some sort of relegation similar to European Soccer, where the elites play the elites and the bottom feeders get relegated to a consolation league.

That is how I see it, and I hope IU isn't one of those relegated downward.
Absolutely. You are spot-on. The days of the NCAA are about done.
I do think that IU eventually finds its way into a conference of like universities. This Big Ten SEC thing will eventually morph into some kind of superconference for football, and IU will not be part of that.
 
Absolutely. You are spot-on. The days of the NCAA are about done.
I do think that IU eventually finds its way into a conference of like universities. This Big Ten SEC thing will eventually morph into some kind of superconference for football, and IU will not be part of that.
I should absolutely take this seriously, as your predictions are always right on the money. Definitely.
 
The B1G and SEC are expanding for the sole purpose of muscling out the NCAA, who have been making some unpopular choices the last several years.

Eventually, the B1G and SEC will have 32 teams each, then they will merge, self govern separately from the NCAA and you will have a CFB Playoff scenario unfold, with a "National Championship" independent of the NCAA.

After that, you will see some sort of relegation similar to European Soccer, where the elites play the elites and the bottom feeders get relegated to a consolation league.

That is how I see it, and I hope IU isn't one of those relegated downward.
Isn’t the NCAA comprised of the institutions that compete on intercollegiate athletics? Doesn’t it exist as a rule making and enforcement body of its member schools? Isn’t it comprised of representatives from those schools? And doesn’t it function at the direction of those schools?

The schools are the NCAA.If it’s replaced, it’s the schools that are replacing something that’s already totally under their collective control. They wouldn’t be “leaving” anything.
 
Isn’t the NCAA comprised of the institutions that compete on intercollegiate athletics? Doesn’t it exist as a rule making and enforcement body of its member schools? Isn’t it comprised of representatives from those schools? And doesn’t it function at the direction of those schools?

The schools are the NCAA.If it’s replaced, it’s the schools that are replacing something that’s already totally under their collective control. They wouldn’t be “leaving” anything.
The football schools are upset with the way the NCAA operates so they have been talking about forming their own association to deal with football issues. Based on reports, they will leave the NCAA to form their own association.
 
BTW, iufb brings in more football revenue than USC.


And goody for them. Which means nothing one way or another in this discussion. The numbers people keep talking about for some reason (not you) are moneys generated by the schools for the schools. For some reason people think that has some kind of relationship to moneys generated for the B1G. They're not. The conference doesn't get a cut of the pie from OSU's football revenues and none of that is shared with us. The only thing that's shared are TV revenues and some bowl and basketball tournament proceeds. IU would have a case to be considered a big draw in that regard when basketball is in the mix.
 
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The football schools are upset with the way the NCAA operates so they have been talking about forming their own association to deal with football issues. Based on reports, they will leave the NCAA to form their own association.
”They” are driven by the Presidents of the member schools. They already have their own association. It’s called the NCAA.
 
And goody for them. Which means nothing one way or another in this discussion. The numbers people keep talking about for some reason (not you) are moneys generated by the schools for the schools. For some reason people think that has some kind of relationship to moneys generated for the B1G. They're not. The conference doesn't get a cut of the pie from OSU's football revenues and none of that is shared with us. The only thing that's shared are TV revenues and some bowl and basketball tournament proceeds. IU would have a case to be considered a big draw in that regard when basketball is in the mix.
And schools like OSU generate a much greater amount of the television revenue via their superior ratings. That’s always been the overriding issue, even if some people here don’t understand that.
 
”They” are driven by the Presidents of the member schools. They already have their own association. It’s called the NCAA.
"They" are every president at every school. Thousands of them. Not just Power 5 schools.

The football school Presidents want to secede from the NCAA and govern themselves. Not beholden to every other President at every other member institution.

Do you understand the difference?
 
"They" are every president at every school. Thousands of them. Not just Power 5 schools.

The football school Presidents want to secede from the NCAA and govern themselves. Not beholden to every other President at every other member institution.

Do you understand the difference?
They already govern themselves. It’s called the FBS segment of the NCAA. If they want different rules, the Presidents just need to approve new rules. You claim they want to secede yet they already have control of their own organization. No one is preventing the P5 / FBS schools from reforming the NCAA rules to their liking. What reforms do you think they want, by the way?
 
They already govern themselves. It’s called the FBS segment of the NCAA. If they want different rules, the Presidents just need to approve new rules. You claim they want to secede yet they already have control of their own organization. No one is preventing the P5 / FBS schools from reforming the NCAA rules to their liking. What reforms do you think they want, by the way?
What you say doesn't make sense.

First of all, the FBS is NOT a governing body. It is a division of schools that meet certain standards and are alloted post season Bowl participation. They do not govern or set rules. And they definitely can't just "reform" the NCAA rules as you claim. Sorry, but that's just preposterous.

As for rules, anyone can see NIL, Transfer Portal, and Playoff structures are three easy topics they can hold in discussion. Easier for them to make changes when they don't have to go through the NCAA.
 
”They” are driven by the Presidents of the member schools. They already have their own association. It’s called the NCAA.
Deny the news reports and talk by the coaches all you want but it doesn't make you any more right than the rest of us.
 
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The B1G and SEC are expanding for the sole purpose of muscling out the NCAA, who have been making some unpopular choices the last several years.

Eventually, the B1G and SEC will have 32 teams each, then they will merge, self govern separately from the NCAA and you will have a CFB Playoff scenario unfold, with a "National Championship" independent of the NCAA.

After that, you will see some sort of relegation similar to European Soccer, where the elites play the elites and the bottom feeders get relegated to a consolation league.

That is how I see it, and I hope IU isn't one of those relegated downward.
I just hope these idiots don’t ruin the NCAA tournaments for the athletes of the other sports.
 
What you say doesn't make sense.

First of all, the FBS is NOT a governing body. It is a division of schools that meet certain standards and are alloted post season Bowl participation. They do not govern or set rules. And they definitely can't just "reform" the NCAA rules as you claim. Sorry, but that's just preposterous.

As for rules, anyone can see NIL, Transfer Portal, and Playoff structures are three easy topics they can hold in discussion. Easier for them to make changes when they don't have to go through the NCAA.
You need to brush up on your NCAA knowledge just a bit. The FBS is a segment of the football playing membership within the NCAA structure. The NCAA is the regulating and rule making entity for college sports, and it’s run for and at the pleasure of the member universities and the Presidents, Regents, and Chancellors that run those schools. Within that existing construct, rules can and are regularly made and revised. Leaving their own organization isn’t necessary in order to create reform. It never has been, but many fans simply don’t have an understanding of that.

The NIL isn’t a division of revenues, and was never intended to be. It’s essentially permission from the regulator for student athletes to be compensated by third parties for the use of their Name, Image and License. The NCAA and it’s member schools haven’t given a dime of revenues to the players. It’s an area where IU likely hasn’t placed much focus at all, given the emphasis on the hoops only efforts to date. I posed a question about it the other day but no one was able to provide an answer. Not sure why you believe NIL was about revenue sharing . . . That’s never been the case. But players will demand that, at some point.
 
You need to brush up on your NCAA knowledge just a bit. The FBS is a segment of the football playing membership within the NCAA structure. The NCAA is the regulating and rule making entity for college sports, and it’s run for and at the pleasure of the member universities and the Presidents, Regents, and Chancellors that run those schools. Within that existing construct, rules can and are regularly made and revised. Leaving their own organization isn’t necessary in order to create reform. It never has been, but many fans simply don’t have an understanding of that.

The NIL isn’t a division of revenues, and was never intended to be. It’s essentially permission from the regulator for student athletes to be compensated by third parties for the use of their Name, Image and License. The NCAA and it’s member schools haven’t given a dime of revenues to the players. It’s an area where IU likely hasn’t placed much focus at all, given the emphasis on the hoops only efforts to date. I posed a question about it the other day but no one was able to provide an answer. Not sure why you believe NIL was about revenue sharing . . . That’s never been the case. But players will demand that, at some point.
1. Your first paragraph is just a regurgitation of the same points that have already been refuted. My answer is already posted above.

2. Where did I say NIL was revenue sharing? I can tell you I never did. So I am not sure why you're arguing a point I never made.
 
1. Your first paragraph is just a regurgitation of the same points that have already been refuted. My answer is already posted above.

2. Where did I say NIL was revenue sharing? I can tell you I never did. So I am not sure why you're arguing a point I never made.
The first paragraph hasn’t been refuted in any way, because it’s accurate. And you mentioned NIL in response to my mention that players will eventually want a piece of the pie, even though NIL has nothing to do with sharing anything. If your point was that the NCAA reformed its rules under the current structure, that makes my point, so thanks.
 
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1. Your first paragraph is just a regurgitation of the same points that have already been refuted. My answer is already posted above.

2. Where did I say NIL was revenue sharing? I can tell you I never did. So I am not sure why you're arguing a point I never made.
Lol he knows you are right, which is why he (as he always does) moved the goal posts. Ordy 101.
 
The B1G and SEC are expanding for the sole purpose of muscling out the NCAA, who have been making some unpopular choices the last several years.

Eventually, the B1G and SEC will have 32 teams each, then they will merge, self govern separately from the NCAA and you will have a CFB Playoff scenario unfold, with a "National Championship" independent of the NCAA.

After that, you will see some sort of relegation similar to European Soccer, where the elites play the elites and the bottom feeders get relegated to a consolation league.

That is how I see it, and I hope IU isn't one of those relegated downward.

Agree. Total power play.

Although I think it will be an AFC/NFC situation where they create a playoff where it’s B1G vs SEC in some form or fashion.
Isn’t the NCAA comprised of the institutions that compete on intercollegiate athletics? Doesn’t it exist as a rule making and enforcement body of its member schools? Isn’t it comprised of representatives from those schools? And doesn’t it function at the direction of those schools?

The schools are the NCAA.If it’s replaced, it’s the schools that are replacing something that’s already totally under their collective control. They wouldn’t be “leaving” anything.



the NCAA used to negotiate tv contracts for all of college football as a single monopoly negotiator.

in the early 80s, OU and UGa wanted to be able to negotiate their own tv deals, so sued the NCAA under Sherman and Clayton Anti Trust acts, which prohibit group acts that restrain or prohibit open competition and trade.

fast forward a few decades, and Jim Delany and probably others realize that while what happened in the early 80s might have been good for schools in the early 80s, it was now handcuffing what Delany wanted to do in today's pay tv - internet media landscape.

Delany realized college fball was way out selling the NFL at the gate every wk, and doing as well with eyeballs on tv.

but the NFL had a much better tv contract than conferences could get.

why? because the NFL was negotiating with tv as a monopoly seller, thanks to an anti trust exemption, and the conferences weren't.

and the conferences were even competing against each other for tv money.

so Delany and the PAC and the SEC decided to try and kill off the B12 and ACC, and get down closer to a monopoly as possible at the time.

to do that, the SEC took Mizzou, A&M, the B10 took Neb, then UMd, and the SEC took Colorado, as their opening moves.

but the PAC went hard after Texas and OU as well at the time, and Delany went after more than just UMd from the ACC.

Delany even gave UMd very preferential financial terms, hoping UMd would act as the first domino to fall in bringing down the ACC.

he hoped UNC and UVa, possibly others, would fall as well.

they didn't..

in the end, the PAC, B10, and SEC, had failed to bring down the B12 and ACC, but damage had been done, and they weren't giving up.

targets got re-set.

taking USC and UCLA isn't about USC and UCLA, or the LA tv market.

it's about taking out the PAC.

same with Tx and OU to the SEC.

for the SEC, that's about finishing off the B12, more so than getting Tx and OU.

and yes, good schools, good markets, but the real pot of gold is negotiating as a monopoly seller, like the NFL, which gets everybody all the tv markets and best schools anyway.



remember, the NCAA has already been barred from being the monopoly tv negotiator by the UGa-OU antitrust suit in the early 80s, so OU and UGa already blew up that route to negotiating as a monopoly.

so just find a different route.

duopolies generally can and do effectively operate as a monopoly, because they can, and it's tough to stop them. (people wondering about current inflation are looking in the wrong place. being intentionally misdirected).

getting things down to the B10 and SEC, (regardless of how many schools are in each), gives member schools that duopoly that can negotiate as a monopoly.

going all the way back to the SEC adding Mizzou, the PAC Colorado, and the B10 Neb, UMd, this was always the real end goal.

negotiate as a monopoly seller like the NFL. and don't expand the playoffs till you can.

as i said in my other thread, it's corporate consolidation 101, has been for over a decade, and still is.

but the prize is getting closer for the corporate raiders.



just telling everybody the truth about what's been going down for more than a decade, and going down as we speak.

those saying it's not, are lying or wrong. (lots of both going around).

as to what i really think of all this, don't even get me going.



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Lol yeah, he definitely knows he's wrong so he's putting words in my mouth to make another argument.
You haven’t been able to refute one point I’ve made. Not one. Let me know when you can and we can resume the discussion.
 
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