Hence, having a very poor showing last year and this not much better getting only 2 teams of 9 into the Sweet 16. Woody needs to up the talent level on a big scale if we're ever going to compete for #6.
The B10 has a problem with talent and their style of play
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Look the top PG's in the nation. None of them are from the Big Ten.
I disagree that the conference lacks athleticism or talent, the talent is there from 2 thru 5, but not at the 1. Tourney is a guard's game.
Opposing conference coaches ask recruits why they want to play Big Ten tackle basketball. The style of play is a detriment to recruiting. We have a rep as an old people power league in an era where the game is becoming more fluid and perimeter oriented.
To win in conference you have to put up with and beat Izzo/ Painter/ Gard/ Pikell/ Holtmann over-physical thug ball refed by homers. It doesn't help prep for tourney play. Go to the tournament and a majority of the teams are playing a different style.
B1G really needs to put a check on over physical play and homer refs. Maybe get out of the 80's and join the modern era.
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Officiating in BIg hurts them come tourney time as well
Both Purdue and Michigan players said today that they feel they're getting calls they normally wouldn't get in Big Ten play.
My point is that if teams can adapt, they are fine.
My point is that if teams can adapt, they are fine.
St. Mary's beat the crap out IU. The game is physical everywhere. The Sweet 16 teams play positionless, with multiple scorers and ball handlers. IU has size without skill. They've got it backwards.
Talent in the B10 skews towards the frontcourt.
I agree 100.% on the style issue.
I agree 100.% on the style issue.
What a dumb conversation. "The aircraft carriers dont match up" Lmao the two teams who did advance have the aircraft carriers! Dickinson, Edie, and Williams.
You won’t find a pair of teams who play more rugged and physical than Houston and Texas Tech and both have been mainstays in the 2nd weekend of the tournament that last few years.
BigTen has two teams in the Sweet 16 which is more than or equal to every conference except the ACC and Big12. Both of which have 3 teams. In a tournament that’s full of randomness, that difference is hardly statistically significant.
And we’ve been consistently better than the ACC in the challenge the last couple years. Yes, they’re having a good tournament but that’s a product of some luck and good draws. The Big12 is the best conference overall and has been for sometime.
Many kids want out of the Midwest. The weather sucks and people are fat.
This video is idiotic! Dauster says "The Big Ten is fraudulent and the SEC is disappointing"
If you look at the ESPN Bracket Challenge's "Peoples Bracket", you'll see Kentucky in the Final Four with Auburn and Tennessee in the Elite Eight. Those 3 SEC teams have combined to win 8 fewer tournament games than expected... 8!
Meanwhile, the Big Ten didn't have anybody projected to get past the Sweet 16. All 9 Big Ten qualifiers were only projected to accumulate 11 wins, of which they have 8 with two teams still playing.
Say what you want about the Big Ten, but the SEC was clearly the fraud of this tournament! It's hard to believe that these guys (on this video) make a living talking so ignorantly about something they are supposed to be experts about.
Think about it. Which conference do you think has destroyed the most peoples brackets so far SEC or Big 10?
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Quite true. This narrative only has life because of the NC drought. If Wisky had won in 2015 or Mich in 2013 then the focus would squarely be on the SEC.
The B1G has just as many tourney wins as the Big 12. The B1G had 3 more teams in the tourney but also had 2 of their teams in the play-in game. The narrative that the B1G is not good is baseless considering the B1G beat the ACC in the challenge.
I would like to see the B1G push the BTT up a day or two to finish on Friday or Saturday instead of Sunday. When the Big East was in its prime and running their conference tourney that finished mid-week, they always had great tourney teams (UConn, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova). Meanwhile, since the B1G went to the tournament format in the last 90's, we have won just 1 title? It certainly isn't the only issue but something is wrong there.
The weather does kinda suck but fat people are everywhere in the good ole fast food, biggie portion eating US of A.
Here's the thing about the ACC......
Duke and NC were underachievers during the regular season. Anybody who watched that Duke/MSU game would understand that Duke has way more talent than any Big 10 team this year. MSU played an outstanding game and still couldn't hang in the end. They suck early in the year in the Challenge because their stud freshmen and sophs are less experienced then their Big 10 counterparts. In contrast, by tourney time their young studs have more experience, and are also looking to impress the NBA scouts. So Duke & NC are somewhat underachieving during the regular season, but still good enough to avoid higher seeding, then they "surprise" when the tourney comes.
Those Big 10 teams that have made it to the FF this century, like Wisconsin, Michigan and Illinois and even '02 Indiana, were over-achieving teams. Even MSU when they've faced up to teams like UK & Duke in the FF. The only exception, I think, was the OSU team with Oden (sp?) & Conley, which was a very talented (albeit inexperienced) bunch.
The real question, I think, is why the Big 10 gets less talented players........I think it comes down to lots of very good but not dominating programs with really good coaching (until the last few years), lower % AA population, somewhat higher academic requirements, as well as style of play.
What does Woody upping the talent level have to do with the B1G doing poorly? IU having really good teams doesn't keep Iowa from losing in the NCAAT first round every year.
Neither of those teams won the B1G did they? Michigan bigs aren’t typical bigs either. Michigan played the modern style and it’s showing up in the tournament. Without their best guard too.
iirc, the B10 hasn't recruited well in a while.
looks like CMW might be upping this with IU. (and i think Gunn might be really good too, which we thank Arch for).
looks like CMW might be upping this with IU. (and i think Gunn might be really good too, which we thank Arch for).
What? They are talking about why the B1G sucks in the tournament, not league play. Dickinson is definitely a typical big. Yes, he can shoot, so can many centers today. Hes also huge, slow, and cant guard on the perimeter.
I agree. The Big Ten refs don’t make obvious foul calls which makes defenses look better than they really are and makes offenses look worse. Come tournament time, Big Ten teams need to make a big adjustment. Sometimes they cannot. The results speak for themselves. It has been over 20 years since a Big Ten team has won it all.
