Thank goodness Allen took the D over
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I know.
Trying to bag on Warren because Carolina played horrible on defense is one thing, but he's not the main man on defense. Co anything as a title is just a reason for more pay.
Carolina is not HIS defense.
While the play before was a deliberate fumble to stop the clock, it wasn't illegal at the time. That play had a profound influence on the NCAA's decision shortly thereafter to make that kind of "fumble" illegal. The rest is correct, as is Jackskip's reminder that the game woul have ended as a tie rather than an IU win ( had UM not scored on the "bonus" play).
I was a student at IU at the time, and we were listening to the game in Indy at the wedding reception of a friend who was a recent IU grad and campus neighbor. Prior to the ruling of a fumble, we were doing some heavy celebratory drinking. After the fumble, we were doing some heavy misery drinking. Such is life as an IU fan.
No worries. Your next-to-last sentence is kinda the point of my post. So no picking on me at issue.
...akin to calling the game after reading the knowledge from a ticker tape...
So true but I feel prospects for positive are possible to attain and felt goal line strength is a great indicator of mind over matter.
Exactly. GC runs that show, and CW jumped quickly when he had the chance to go coach with him again.
I'm sure that's true, but I have it from a source I trust very much that CW was not discouraged from pursuing another opportunity.
At the least there is a definitely more investment made to and attention paid to than back when that 'hail mary' and other let downs took place.
There were what...43 seconds left on Ill last drive? I have seen us lose in 43 seconds...more than once.
Without question. It was a bad fit from the start, and both sides were happy to move forward “amicably separate”. Allen didn’t really know him when he was hired, and was sold first and foremost as a recruiter, rather than as a defensive practitioner. Bad fit from the get go.
23 I think. My son wanted to leave after the IU touchdown and I put the kibosh on that real fast.
I count the last one. The clock was still ticking and IU forced a BIG play that was needed to preserve the win.
Also that military background certainly influenced Allen to a greater degree than it should have. Allen holds mental toughness in high regard as he should. But Warren lacked the basic knowledge to be a DC let alone to run Allen's 4-2-5. He had no understanding and learned none about it.
It’s much more about “fit” than it is about what you know (they all know a ton). Warren knew plenty, but the fit was never right. We’ve had a number of those issues during TA’s tenure.
Agree that we have a team again even if it's not great. Mentioned to my wife that IU looked like a team again. At the end of last year those guys gave up and looked nothing like a team.
It wouldn’t have technically been a victory had we stopped them.
It would have been a tie as Corso elected to kick the point after instead of going for the win. He was fine with a tie at The Big House.
I think Warren understood the 4-2-5 enough, but he was highly risk averse and rarely blitzed. When IU has done well defensively under Allen, it has used an aggressive bend/don't break defense. Offenses will pick up yardage and first downs, but will usually need to convert 2 or 3 third and longs and avoid turnovers to score
I know, we were all tired as hell and just enduring their last opportunity to ruin our night.
Tom made the decision to make a change and run the D himself. One game in and so far so good.
Agree. Ohio State is the type of program that can complain about style points in a win. Indiana should celebrate every W (particularly a conference W) no matter how it was earned.
Need to throw the ball to set up the run. Play action with draw plays. Disappointed no counters. We'll never know how good Shivers is with the line as bad as it is. The D's lack of effectiveness against the run also explains why Shivers looked so great in practice. Even running behind the really bad OL he was effective against IU's run defense.
Allen was right, there is a lot to "cleanup'. Not sure I agree that the OL will "get better" unless he means from horrible to marginally less awful. It is very hard to believe that at this point CTA doesn't see what he has to do with the OL.
I might be in a minority here, but I typically suspect something is amiss when a coach wears smedium shirts and seems to flex with his arms crossed most every time the camera is on him. Looks kinda fake or a cover up for lack of knowledge/coaching acumen. Easy to second guess that defensive product we saw last year though. If they’d been world-beaters, I might not have noticed.
That's what I was referring to is that it was a major accomplishment just to tie Michigan at the Big House and that it felt like a victory to get out of there with the tie. It was just another gut punch in a long list of IU losses and just when you think that there are no new ways to lose a game, the Hoosiers find a way. LOL. It was just so refreshing to see us win a game that looked like we were going to lose. BTW, Big Marlon Flemming (RIP) was a major contributor on the OLine that year. I remember seeing him on campus walking to class one day. He was a "Good Sized" individual!
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...that's what the 4-2-5 remark was about + never having been a DC..."FIT"...
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We don't cut back ever. Key to a good run game.
You are correct. I was at a work event years ago that featured Bo as a speaker. Afterwards we got autographed hats etc from him and the opportunity for a brief conversation. I mentioned being bummed/stunned at how that game ended and Bo immediately looked up from signing, and in an animated way, said ”can you believe Corso played for a tie in that game? He had a chance for Indiana to win at Michigan (he said the word Michigan as if it was the most revered word in the dictionary) Stadium but went for the tie“ He was incredulous.
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One step at a time. You break the losing streak *first*. Then, with the program in a better place emotionally, you go for the win the *following* season.
Yet TA made a big splash and hired him anyway. Both sides were happy the relationship was brief, and I know CW was quick to accept an offer and go.
I give up on it. Just wasn't fun. Figure I wasn't old enough. I'm in my 8th decade. I'll wait till I am mature enough to keep it all in stride.
