Haha zero chance huh. If you say so. He took over a 12 win team and has made back to back tournaments and just got us a 4 seed which someone said we have only had 4 seed or higher 4 times in 20 years. He has already proven that he is a good coach. One year not making the tournament will not be his end.
So face it guys, the recruiting has been subpar and I am being kind
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Heads may explode if IU doesn't make the tournament next year, but zero chance he is fired for it unless he has a Louisville type season and/or major violations are committed.
Football has a ton more wiggle room with like 70 scholarships lol. And outside of perhaps Duke and Kentucky who have one and done every year, I haven’t seen a lot of programs over recruiting. Especially not since the transfer rule changed.
Football is a completely different animal than basketball, it's not worth the comparison. Duke, Kentucky, Kansas don't have to worry about oversigning because they don't allot their full scholarships to begin with.
So you don’t think Woodson would know what his roster would look like? He loses his front court and signs zero bigs. Plus Dunscomb is a major flight risk and I would say JG is as well.
Perhaps Woodson is confident in Reneau's ability to take over for TJD and prefers a veteran in the frontcourt via the portal to start alongside him rather than an 18 year old freshman? We went over this Saturday. There are multiple ways to recruit nowadays, high school ranks account for just a fraction.
Would be pretty solid for a 6th guy on a good team. The fact that he's been able to start so many games for us is disturbing.
We will see, seems he will have to do that every year vs recruiting and developing.
How many good teams have 5 players a avg 10+ ppg? Last year Race was honorable mention all B1G, that is not 6th man on most teams
Justin Smith averaged 17.75 pts and 8.25 rebs his last 12 games with the pigs, and played 450 of 480 possible minutes down the stretch. Al Durham averaged 13 pts 3 rebs and 3 assists in conference play. He was selected to the Big East All-Tournament team and was also named to the NCAA All Region team in the Midwest Region.
You're right that they were pretty much the same dudes, but they played for coaches who knew how to utilize their individual talents and they were integral parts to team success.
I marvel when someone posts an opinion and it’s accepted as fact by everyone. “Our recruiting has been bad…”. This is Woody’s first freshman class: JHS is NBA bound, Malik is a major contributor; Gunn was not expected to play much this season but figures into the future; Banks has played limited but key minutes. Freshmen do not typically play lots of minutes when the core of a NCAA tournament caliber team returns mostly intact! Some players don’t pan out, some get injured, some will flourish elsewhere, etc. But Crean certainly had a good run of talented recruits, Archie did not leave the cupboards bare, and Woody has had a strong start. Purdue had a great season, and aside from Edey, there’s no one in the roster that’s a great talent. They had Williams and a Top 5 pick in NBA draft leave yet they have accomplished more without. The point is, you don’t need all 5* players to compete at a high level. Our recruiting has been good enough to compete even after a most difficult time under Archie where we were dead in the water in terms of a presence nationally. We’ll have scholarships to fill via portal, and we might lose a couple due to transfer. Next season might be a step backwards, but until the portal dust settles we won’t really know.
Smith was awesome in the end for Arkansas. Durham was less efficient than he was at IU but played on a better team at Providence, although he was very clutch for them at end of game situations. But no, I don't think he went to Providence and just got magically better.
Of course we'll see which is why declaring next year a disaster before next year starts serves no purpose to any intellectual discussion.
Again, you're panicking about guys who, before the season, had the chance to prove themselves, and because they've struggled, it has become more likely they might leave. He was recruiting Page and Booker, along with the couple guys who committed to MD... and maybe others. I think his full intention was to take 1 more frontcourt guy in either Booker or Page, and I'd rather see him wait to see what shakes out in the spring via portal or freshman who decommit because of a coaching change. We've not done badly there in Banks and Reneau and some might consider Kopp a failure, but he's been a 2 year starter and I think has played pretty well this year.
Yes - there is a mix. But every time I see a “coaching is inadequate “ or a “players don’t develop” and people fall in line, it makes me scream.
So you can’t have a discussion that it looks like a very risky move? Personally I’m fine adding a portal guy but I also think you need a big in every class as a recruit. Especially if you are recruiting 5 star guys like Malik who may not be here 4 years
Current roster next year
5 Malik…..Dunscomb(will he be here)
4 JG?, Banks?
3 Bates, newton
2 Galloway, Gunn Leal
1 X (if approved) Cupps
JHS will go pro,
Need a 4 and depth at 5 still
Dear Pseudo IU fan, please quick let us know what other teams out there lost their lead guard, probably one of the better points in the country so early in the season, were forced to have a freshman run the team, a great player, but not a point, and lost another key player earlier in the year, and still came in third in a brutal conference. We won, what 22 games and beat a one seed twice. We had a pretty damn good year all things given. Period.
Duke lost Roach most of early season and he came back and won the ACC tourney. Also JHS is a true PG
There's more to it than averaging 9/6. He can't guard people on the parameter. He can't get out to defend, and if he does they blow by him. He can't shoot from more than 10 feet out and is a poor FTer, especially at the end of games. He really has no interior moves against anyone as big or bigger than himself. He can't handle the ball. He's very limited.
How does Coen Carr help next year? Next year's team is in big need of scorers and shooting. Carr doesn't help with either.
Have to get a scorer on the wing. Can't go into next season with the current projected guards on our roster.
#134 on 247; not in the top 150 on Rivals. Wasn't he Archie's first recruit?
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If X is going to be cleared (not likely imo), then he and Malik are there only surefire starters on the team. Should look to improve the other 3 starting spots via the portal.
Won the BT by 3 games; Rutgers turned their season around at the end when they began starting Simpson, a true freshman guard who was in the 300s in recruiting rankings. OSU turned their season around when Holtman gave the keys to Thornton, a true freshman pg. PSU got better when they started played true freshman guard Clary. Illinois started true freshman guard Epps, and missed him greatly when he went out with a concussion.
Love Trey, but his limitations became more obvious when he took over the starting role, and when other teams realized he could shoot the open 3. He seems to be better as a 20M/game 6th player off the bench. Maybe he can again reinvent himself before next year.
Need a 4 and we need a wing scorer. Bates needs to mature and become a player.
Zero depth to guard teams bigs though
Coen Carr is the most explosive athlete in the class and can guard out on the perimeter. IU has been abused all year by teams who have an athletic 4 man who can score inside out; Tubelis, Jalen Wilson, and Murray x2.
Did you watch any of the games?
I don’t know much about Carr but completely agree with your take about perimeter 4s. I think Banks could develop into someone who can guard that type of guy but we do need another.
So you mean our explosive athletes at the 3/4 like JG, Banks, and Newton aren’t enough, we need yet another low skill high athleticism player?
We need an upgrade at the 4, there is no doubt, but Coen Carr is not the answer. We need a 4 with a similar play style to those you mentioned above.
Amen. Galloway brings incredibly good defense, hustle, some playmaking ability, and efficient shooting. He will never be a 20 ppg scorer but most teams only have one of those at a time. Everyone else needs to do other things to contribute to winning. Galloway contributes in more ways than most to winning.
He isn’t THE problem, but also doesn’t provide much if he isn’t scoring. He’s the perfect energy guy off the bench.
No we don't. We simply need enough scorers on the floor at the same time. We don't "need" a scorer at the 2. Galloway is much closer to the answer than the problem. Facts
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