Serious SOTU thread
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Well, they get the speech before it's delivered, so......
I did like how he took responsibility for inflation...... oh wait, no - it's the greedy corporations fault!
Why don't they just reduce their costs! Damn, Joe - you're a business genius! Why didn't companies think of that!
Don't lower your wages, lower your cost... You mean that one? Pretty profound, hard to believe business never thought of that one before.
Have you ever worked in business? Because you'd be surprised how profound this idea would be to a lot of people.
With the climate cataclysm coming, you won't make it past another 10 years anyway.
Payroll is the dominant cost for many businesses, including law firms.
I have to assume that is a rhetorical question. I don't think it's profound to anyone who are actually owners of or leadership of business, who are the only one's who that comment was aimed at. Everyone else in business are the wages that are not supposed to be lowered, to lower cost. You know this.
Oh come on - sign up with one of those shipping companies and I bet you could save dozens of dollars!
Did he really say “buy American” and then reject more American oil and gas production?
Well, we tried to limit coffee consumption and staff went on strike.
There's not much evidence at this point that anything Biden admin (or Trump admin) has done from a fiscal policy standpoint has much to do with inflation. On the fringes, sure, we can all make those arguments about UEI, etc... but it's a forest/ trees issue.
The inflationary pressures are global.... and are a combo of covid related global supply chain miscalculations (mainly results of reactionary corporate mgmt)... and a serious overshoot covid response by central banks worldwide.
Countries had widely different fiscal responses to covid, but basically everyone is having serious inflationary pressures for the first time in decades.
The rise in global inflation – the hit to living standards across the world
Analysis: From Pakistan to the US, Australia to Germany, the cost of living is rising to new highs and causing new hardships
Smart? Seems to me doing otherwise would have been patently absurd.
I do give a couple of bonus points for getting every Supreme Court justice to stand and clap (for the Ukrainian ambassador).
I did love the young man who has type 1 diabetes. That was great (and not just because that issue is suddenly very personal for my family).
I guess the trillions of dollars injected into the economy isn't fiscal policy?There's not much evidence at this point that anything Biden admin (or Trump admin) has done from a fiscal policy standpoint has much to do with inflation. On the fringes, sure, we can all make those arguments about UEI, etc... but it's a forest/ trees issue.
The inflationary pressures are global.... and are a combo of covid related global supply chain miscalculations (mainly results of reactionary corporate mgmt)... and a serious overshoot covid response by central banks worldwide.
Countries had widely different fiscal responses to covid, but basically everyone is having serious inflationary pressures for the first time in decades.
The rise in global inflation – the hit to living standards across the world
Analysis: From Pakistan to the US, Australia to Germany, the cost of living is rising to new highs and causing new hardshipswww.theguardian.com
You're joking, right?
That's of course inflationary pressure.... but nowhere near the scale of causing global inflation. If it was just US phenomenon, it would be a reasonable argument. But we know it's rampant across the world... including Europe who had been fighting deflationary battles for a decade up until 2 years ago.
Every inflationary pressure globally is a supply problem. Pick whatever industry you would like.... production went into the toilet during covid, demand never really dropped.
I still expect inflation to start easing by summer. If it's running 7% come August, then we've got bigger issues.
Sounds like a great night...So were any plans of action discussed? What did he say he was immediately going to do with Ukraine? How about the border and all the criminals and drugs flowing through? High crime? Gas prices? Seems like alot of eloquent talk. What are they going to do?
Followed by health care costs.
Followed by pension/retirement costs.
After that, business can address non-personnel costs...
Inflation is busting low-income and middle class taxpayers.
Words are words. Actions are actions. Biden has words that usually don't follow with actions.
I think a lot of companies use inflation as an excuse to raise their prices when their costs really haven't gone up. In other words, jump on the bandwagon of raising their prices since everyone else is doing it. If you notice grocery prices you'll see that they have gone up on a lot of things a lot more than inflation. I've noticed 3 or 4 things that my wife buys consistently and Kroger has raised their prices on those items a LOT more than Walmart or Meijer has.
So, let me start off this morning with a eulogy for Morrison. We did not always agree, but seemed like a decent enough fellow.
I hear that after the 150th shot, he was basically feeling nothing. God speed my good man.
Did you catch Van Jones? I thought he was going to cry he was so emotional about the greatness.
I think Van Jones’ commentary is useless. He doesn’t even pretend that he’s not a partisan hack. And, even then he usually says nothing of substance. So yes, you are spot on.
Yes. And no, this idea would not be, nor is, profound to a lot of people. And if you found that idea profound, then o doubt you have ever run a business.
All of that was based on government responses to COVID though. Some of which are proving out to have been gross overreactions that carries on for far longer than they needed to for political reasons. In fact, COVID is basically "over" now because it started polling poorly for the President. The governments of the world do not get the blame for COVID but they do own the response (except China...I am not 100% sold on the Outside Shooter theory thread from yesterday, consider that best case for China and they still obfuscated which caused this to go on longer than needed).
I did not catch much of the speech except for the end. I will be honest, I can't stand listening to Biden speak. The past 2 Presidents have been "read it later" kind of guys. However, a few points, from the things I have read, the policy positions are talking points that are nice in theory in some cases (in other cases completely what I am against) but the SOTU has been a fantasy wish list for my entire adult life. Talk of funding the police, "oh GOP leaning people should like that..." Why? Because after your friends broke the toy you are suggesting we use glue to fix it? The rest of the wish list will need to make it through Congress and his own party is fractured on the bigger issues, particularly in the Senate.
Personally, I think the SOTU has become a waste of time for a long time. I wish they would go back to just submitting something to Congress in writing...but gotta get that TV time I guess.
I am a big fan of returning to writing. I showed my support for that by mostly watching Pu-Wi.
Agreed. But in this instance it was impt for some of us to see him talk for an hour plus. We were judging him as much as his words. And as I said I thought he was solid
Thought about starting a third thread on the speech seeing that my choices were Goat's middle school food fight thread and this...Goat's sanitized rah rah thread, but it would be moderated out so I will risk posting here.
Overall, I had low expectations even with the gift Biden had with the Putin mess to rely on and deflect from his poor performance ratings. I give him a solid B as he exceeded expectations.
He handled Putin rather well, drawing lots of bipartisan response and painting Putin for what he is without taunting. We were told it would be 1/3 of the speech but with back references throughout and heavy inclusion in the grand finally; it was closer to 1/2. Poor marks here for failing to go into any detail about the real consequences/timeline for US citizens from the sanctions.
Kudos for the funding Police comments, although I would have added comments about putting police in a position to succeed by utilizing mental health pros on certain categories of runs and not putting beat cops in situations, they are not skilled to manage. etc you get the idea.
Generally poor marks for glossing over key domestic issues such as inflation, border failure, and energy dependence. Taking credit for job growth post-covid shutdowns/slowdowns is disingenuous as well.
His delivery was good given his speech challenges the "Iranian" vs "Ukrainian" was a nothingburger misspeak.
Hope this isn't too offensive and doesn't get moderated out.
Overall, I had low expectations even with the gift Biden had with the Putin mess to rely on and deflect from his poor performance ratings. I give him a solid B as he exceeded expectations.
He handled Putin rather well, drawing lots of bipartisan response and painting Putin for what he is without taunting. We were told it would be 1/3 of the speech but with back references throughout and heavy inclusion in the grand finally; it was closer to 1/2. Poor marks here for failing to go into any detail about the real consequences/timeline for US citizens from the sanctions.
Kudos for the funding Police comments, although I would have added comments about putting police in a position to succeed by utilizing mental health pros on certain categories of runs and not putting beat cops in situations, they are not skilled to manage. etc you get the idea.
Generally poor marks for glossing over key domestic issues such as inflation, border failure, and energy dependence. Taking credit for job growth post-covid shutdowns/slowdowns is disingenuous as well.
His delivery was good given his speech challenges the "Iranian" vs "Ukrainian" was a nothingburger misspeak.
Hope this isn't too offensive and doesn't get moderated out.
He either did better earlier on or you grade on a much bigger curve than I do. I only caught the last 10 minutes, but Biden is the worst public speaking President in my lifetime...probably the worst public speaker since we have had the ability to record speakers.
Did he do better in the earlier part of the speech, because I caught toward the end and he was stumbling around on words pretty bad. Yeah, I know he supposedly has had a speech problem forever (but was able to mostly mask it when speaking in public until now) but if someone like W had put in that kind of performance he would have been mocked incessantly. W put in better performances and was still mocked incessantly for sounding dumb...and W was not a great public speaker either.
Trying not to muddy up the thread but do have a differing opinion on the delivery of the speech that is hard to express without being "mean".
Was that what it was? Would a "Republicans suck" have been deleted? I think it would have been. The problem is that there are partisans who don't care to take the time to write a coherent post. Your post here is an example of posts that should be encouraged, if I agree or disagree is irrelevant. A well written post I disagree with is better than a post that I might agree with that boils down to "we rock, you suck". Those are the posts we need to figure out how to lessen.
I think this is a good idea.
Fair. I would add that I liked the get the masks off of kids in school, and no mention of Jan 6. Not a single word about Jan 6, Trump, the end of democracy blah blah blah that infatuate people on here but normal Americans don't care about anymore. While perhaps short on answers he pivoted from the Squad on many issues and touched on the issues that actually concern most Americans. I'd give him a B+
Yeah I definitely think he got tired and it showed in the end. He's an old 79 or whatever he is. You compare him to Fauci, for instance, and the difference is night and day. That said he was lucid and on it. Just old and got tired imo
Now see that's interesting. As I've related before, maybe the far left wingnuts aren't actually the far left and account for more of the party than we give credit. If you were a moderate Dem I don't know how you don't give a very positive rating to the speech. I mean the guy isn't going to lay out step by step his plan to remedy all our ills. It's a pep rally with a theme
I don't know one can get a big bounce any more. Back in the ancient days we had network news and network news only. So an hour on tv watched by everyone was a massive opportunity to get out one's position.
Today the positions are on cable 24x7, on social media 24x7. This one hour by the president is blunted first because of the amount of news we now consume and 2) because the way our tribal news makes us more partisan to begin with.
I saw someone last weekend mention that the more news people watch, the more partisan they are. Now there might be a chicken-egg debate here. But if there is, I will go onto the side that a steady feed of partisan news increases partisanship over partisans seek out partisan news.
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