Sadly, I’m brainstorming ideas now

[IndyIUFan66]

When it’s year 6, I don’t think the argument “If you fire Allen who would ever come” as if he hasn’t been given the time to build a program.

This looks like Regression now! And Allen is starting to look like way over his head, and NOT a great judge of coaching talent when hiring.

I think IU should look at any type of negotiated settlement:

-Spread it out over 20 years, 25 if have to
-Every dollar of a new job salary comes off what he would be owed that year

I would sadly hire a new Person with 100% HC experience, and let that person bring in an existing or hire his own staff. I think that person could pick all coaches.

I fee badly for what I think are some actually good players who have not been well coached enough to fully compete and hit their personal and team potential.

I do think Coach Allen can be a DC again, but that is likely his ceiling. Pains me to say as I do like him personally. But I still believe IU can win in FB in the B10, but it requires excellence and high competence (and an ability to recruit well for both players and coaches.). Coach Allen has not shown the ability to do so in my view. I hate to have reached this point, but it is what I now conclude.

 

[iubud]

I don't care how they do it. I don't care how they pay for it. I don't care if they do it this week. Allen can't come back next year.By February, we have to have a new staff.

He hired one good OC in 6 years. He stayed loyal to a failing OL coach out of friendship. If he stays for the rest of this year, Dolson has to meet with him and make it clear someone else will be calling the defense. He is the head coach and needs to act like one. If he refuses, fire him for insubordination.

I wonder if Urban Meyer would like to come in and try to do the impossible as an interim coach? Doesn't hurt to ask.

 

[toastedbread]

I don't care how they do it. I don't care how they pay for it. I don't care if they do it this week. Allen can't come back next year.By February, we have to have a new staff.

He hired one good OC in 6 years. He stayed loyal to a failing OL coach out of friendship. If he stays for the rest of this year, Dolson has to meet with him and make it clear someone else will be calling the defense. He is the head coach and needs to act like one. If he refuses, fire him for insubordination.

I wonder if Urban Meyer would like to come in and try to do the impossible as an interim coach? Doesn't hurt to ask.

They've got the TV money. Got to make a move. Keeping this around any longer will cost them a lot more in good will going into the future then whatever they save on the buyout. It's not only a question of the buyout money, but how much extra you will earn if you bring in the right guy and he gets the ship righted. Lost opportunity cost. This is heading toward the toilet if they don't make a change. The savings is a myth. But would be typical IU. This is how you end up with Allen in the first place. And the ridiculous extension he got. The ridiculous extension they gave Sheridan. Paying Hiller 500k. No brains, no creativity. Probably could have snatched Lane Kiffin when they hired Allen. Who in their right mind trusts Dolson to make the right move?

 

[4IUSox2]

While I’m all for it, I just don’t see IU using their BT moneys to oust TA any time soon. Seems that dough would already be allocated to things like facility upgrades, funding the non-revenue sports, coaches salaries etc. Remember, this is an AD who made TA fund the buyout of Sheridan last year.

If a few well heeled donors step up to pitch in for the buyout, then certainly. Just don’t think that’s happening…unfortunately.

 

[Sobchak_Security]

While I’m all for it, I just don’t see IU using their BT moneys to oust TA any time soon. Seems that dough would already be allocated to things like facility upgrades, funding the non-revenue sports, coaches salaries etc. Remember, this is an AD who made TA fund the buyout of Sheridan last year.

If a few well heeled donors step up to pitch in for the buyout, then certainly. Just don’t think that’s happening…unfortunately.

Not to mention, with NIL now, how much money may have previously been donated to the athletic department is now going to basketball players.

 

[BayernFan]

Set him up with a hooker (preferably a tranny) and blow. Take some pics. Shitcan him on a morals clause. Pay him ZERO. Done and done.

 

[8Stars5Banners]

Set him up with a hooker (preferably a tranny) and blow. Take some pics. Shitcan him on a morals clause. Done and done.

I got skewered for a similar post last week. Good luck. And BTW I’m all for it

 

[HoosierAlum07]

Ok here’s what I think sarcastically needs to happen!
Memorial stadium is obviously cursed! Need to bulldoze it to the ground and place a stadium elsewhere! Maybe the grass tailgating lot so students wont have a place to tailgate and so they stay for the whole game! Build a new state-of-the-art stadium that rivals the Cowboys/LA/Vegas stadiums that would attract higher rated recruits! Get Cuban to pitch in 1-2Billion for high-tech stuff!
Next, get the community to legalizeprostitution and open up a gigantic Bunny Ranch with football team dorm attached! Then start an escort service with the hottest IU sorority girls! Only 5-star recruits allowed though!
Next, Hire a no-name nerd with a perfect IQ score that has a high degree from Harvard or Yale along with a Nobel prize to run our offense and the toughest Marine drill sergeant around to run our defense!

All in all, this University just needs to do things differently all around from top to bottom! Cuz this losing sht has gotten old and every one of us is fed up with it!

 

[hoosier roadtrips]

There was a question if the stadium was cursed when a student was found hanging from a goal post as the stadium was being built. It was never certain if it was suicide or murder. My brother was down there at the time.

 

[BayernFan]

There was a question if the stadium was cursed when a student was found hanging from a goal post as the stadium was being built. It was never certain if it was suicide or murder. My brother was down there at the time.

Lol. That never happened.

 

[iubud]

Set him up with a hooker (preferably a tranny) and blow. Take some pics. Shitcan him on a morals clause. Pay him ZERO. Done and done.

I actually was thinking along those lines in the third quarter. I shook my head and was a little disappointed that I considered it.

Do you think it would work?

 

[iubud]

There was a question if the stadium was cursed when a student was found hanging from a goal post as the stadium was being built. It was never certain if it was suicide or murder. My brother was down there at the time.

A few of us in Section 9 think Memorial Stadium is built on an ancient burial ground. I've tried to exorcise the spirits, but I think I just pissed them off!

 

[hoosier roadtrips]

Lol. That never happened.

It did happen. Ken Bikoff wrote a lengthy story about that in an edition of Inside IU. As a "true" IU fan I was sure you would already know that!

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

It did happen. Ken Bikoff wrote a lengthy story about that in an edition of Inside IU. As a "true" IU fan I was sure you would already know that!

This is absolutely a true story.
https://fansided.com/2015/10/30/five-haunted-sports-venues-to-visit-for-halloween/amp/3/

 

[hoosier roadtrips]

This is absolutely a true story.
https://fansided.com/2015/10/30/five-haunted-sports-venues-to-visit-for-halloween/amp/3/

Thank you for confirming that. I'm mad enough about the Rutgers game without being accused of lying. We'll see what our so-called Bayern Fan thinks about that.

 

[Upset Alert]

Urban Meyer would be a definite home run. Brady Hoke might be a decent compromise. We totally screwed up when Lane Kiffin was very available while he was still at Fla Atlantic. Now we're stuck with a sinking ship as I thought would happen eventually.

 

[Crossblock]

This may sound crazy but hear Me out. I was wondering about Luke Fickell's contract status at Cincy. My guess is that after going to the Championship last year He got a raise and Extension and makes more than Allen does at IU. But think about this.

If He wants to Coach In the Big Ten, when should He pull the trigger? With Conference Expansion, it will be more difficult for Cincy to get to the Championship. Let's face it, last Year was the Perfect Storm for them, Everything fell into place, and You got a result You will see only once every 20 Years. Even if they expand the number of teams in the Championship Series, It will take More wins to get to the final Four.

Fickell's ideal job would be OSU , but Ryan Day is only 40 years old, and doesn't look like He is going anywhere soon. He may not want to try to wait it out,

Add to everything else that His Maketability is at it's peak. There is no guarantee that He will be a hot commodity 5 years from now.

Assuming the numbers work out, would He consider a move to IU to get into the Big 10?

 

[76-1]

This may sound crazy but hear Me out. I was wondering about Luke Fickell's contract status at Cincy. My guess is that after going to the Championship last year He got a raise and Extension and makes more than Allen does at IU. But think about this.

If He wants to Coach In the Big Ten, when should He pull the trigger? With Conference Expansion, it will be more difficult for Cincy to get to the Championship. Let's face it, last Year was the Perfect Storm for them, Everything fell into place, and You got a result You will see only once every 20 Years. Even if they expand the number of teams in the Championship Series, It will take More wins to get to the final Four.

Fickell's ideal job would be OSU , but Ryan Day is only 40 years old, and doesn't look like He is going anywhere soon. He may not want to try to wait it out,

Add to everything else that His Maketability is at it's peak. There is no guarantee that He will be a hot commodity 5 years from now.

Assuming the numbers work out, would He consider a move to IU to get into the Big 10?

Fickell blew off ND...; do you Really believe he's interested in IU???

Some of this stuff smacks of near comedy...

A lot of you guys don't have a solid grasp of where we stand in the pecking order of coaching interest... (spoiler alert: think in terms of just half a step above a good MAC job)...

It's nice to dream but...

 

[76-1]

It did happen. Ken Bikoff wrote a lengthy story about that in an edition of Inside IU. As a "true" IU fan I was sure you would already know that!

The only tweak to that was that the poor guy was actually hung from scaffolding (on the W side during construction). He was clearly murdered and only a half a-- investigation done was by the local constabulary before they called it a suicide and moved on the way I recall it...

Had a little international intrigue twist too as it involved several Russian language students whose bill was being footed by the A.F... during the Cold War... One conjecture was that he had some dirt on one or more of his fellow students and was dispatched to keep him quiet...

RIP

His father kept the investigation alive until he passed some years back... Supposedly the local gendarmes botched it horribly....

//The above is only my recollection of an article I read, it may contain one or more inaccuracies...( and probably does)...//

 

[kmathum]

This may sound crazy but hear Me out. I was wondering about Luke Fickell's contract status at Cincy. My guess is that after going to the Championship last year He got a raise and Extension and makes more than Allen does at IU. But think about this.

If He wants to Coach In the Big Ten, when should He pull the trigger? With Conference Expansion, it will be more difficult for Cincy to get to the Championship. Let's face it, last Year was the Perfect Storm for them, Everything fell into place, and You got a result You will see only once every 20 Years. Even if they expand the number of teams in the Championship Series, It will take More wins to get to the final Four.

Fickell's ideal job would be OSU , but Ryan Day is only 40 years old, and doesn't look like He is going anywhere soon. He may not want to try to wait it out,

Add to everything else that His Maketability is at it's peak. There is no guarantee that He will be a hot commodity 5 years from now.

Assuming the numbers work out, would He consider a move to IU to get into the Big 10?

he won't be at cincy long term, but he sure as hell ain't coming here.

 

[Crossblock]

Fickell blew off ND...; do you Really believe he's interested in IU???

Some of this stuff smacks of near comedy...

A lot of you guys don't have a solid grasp of where we stand in the pecking order of coaching interest... (spoiler alert: think in terms of just half a step above a good MAC job)...

It's nice to dream but...

I'm not implying that Fickell would have an interest in coming to IU. I am pointing out that with Conference Expansion, it will become more difficult for Cincinnati to compete for a National Championship, and it may be more difficult for them to have a good record year to year if they have to play better teams week to week.

The question is Whether Coaching in the Big Ten is a primary objective. Given Ryan Day's success and age, He could be Coaching at OSU for another 15-20 Years. Fickell can't sit back and wait for the OSU job to open up. In addition, the hot commodity tag has a limited shelf life. So if an opening arises in the Big 10 in the next two or 3 years and a School is interested in Him, what does He do? He may not want the IU job even if We filled Memorial Stadium with gold bars and made them part of his Compensation. But if He wants to get to the Big 10, He may have to make a move in the next 3-5 Years.

 

[76-1]

I'm not implying that Fickell would have an interest in coming to IU. I am pointing out that with Conference Expansion, it will become more difficult for Cincinnati to compete for a National Championship, and it may be more difficult for them to have a good record year to year if they have to play better teams week to week.

The question is Whether Coaching in the Big Ten is a primary objective. Given Ryan Day's success and age, He could be Coaching at OSU for another 15-20 Years. Fickell can't sit back and wait for the OSU job to open up. In addition, the hot commodity tag has a limited shelf life. So if an opening arises in the Big 10 in the next two or 3 years and a School is interested in Him, what does He do? He may not want the IU job even if We filled Memorial Stadium with gold bars and made them part of his Compensation. But if He wants to get to the Big 10, He may have to make a move in the next 3-5 Years.

He's not coming..., no matter what the scenario...

Also: https://gobearcats.com/news/2022/6/10/general-cincinnati-to-enter-big-12-on-july-1-2023.aspx

 

[IndianaEd70]

They've got the TV money. Got to make a move. Keeping this around any longer will cost them a lot more in good will going into the future then whatever they save on the buyout. It's not only a question of the buyout money, but how much extra you will earn if you bring in the right guy and he gets the ship righted. Lost opportunity cost. This is heading toward the toilet if they don't make a change. The savings is a myth. But would be typical IU. This is how you end up with Allen in the first place. And the ridiculous extension he got. The ridiculous extension they gave Sheridan. Paying Hiller 500k. No brains, no creativity. Probably could have snatched Lane Kiffin when they hired Allen. Who in their right mind trusts Dolson to make the right move?

 

[IndianaEd70]

We've got to get someone that can recruit. We have been trying to build a program with two and three star recruits and that just doesn't cut it. A successful program starts with good recruiting, something that has been missing at IU for years.

 

[BayernFan]

It did happen. Ken Bikoff wrote a lengthy story about that in an edition of Inside IU. As a "true" IU fan I was sure you would already know that!

I stand corrected. Thanks.

 

[jlasson]

When it’s year 6, I don’t think the argument “If you fire Allen who would ever come” as if he hasn’t been given the time to build a program.

This looks like Regression now! And Allen is starting to look like way over his head, and NOT a great judge of coaching talent when hiring.

I think IU should look at any type of negotiated settlement:

-Spread it out over 20 years, 25 if have to
-Every dollar of a new job salary comes off what he would be owed that year

I would sadly hire a new Person with 100% HC experience, and let that person bring in an existing or hire his own staff. I think that person could pick all coaches.

I fee badly for what I think are some actually good players who have not been well coached enough to fully compete and hit their personal and team potential.

I do think Coach Allen can be a DC again, but that is likely his ceiling. Pains me to say as I do like him personally. But I still believe IU can win in FB in the B10, but it requires excellence and high competence (and an ability to recruit well for both players and coaches.). Coach Allen has not shown the ability to do so in my view. I hate to have reached this point, but it is what I now conclude.

I wouldn't be opposed to hiring a coordinator, but they need to be an elite coordinator if we do. Allen's current HC resume speaks for itself, but in hindsight, hiring the Indiana DC after he had 1 year of success was always a risk, this was a guy that two years before he was promoted to HC of Indiana, he was DC at USF. Look at how Marcus Freeman is faring at ND, being promoted to HC one year after he was hired as DC from a GO5 school.

Obviously Indiana isn't a big name, but if UVA can hire away the Clemson OC, we should be able to compete for most big name Coordinators in the sport. Just the fact that we're in the B1G(and hopefully the no-division B1G) is enticing enough to make IU a top 40 job in the country given the currently landscape of college sports, it's just about being willing to open up the checkbook, which Dolson has not proven he's willing to do when it comes to the FB program.

If there is a proven GO5 HC that we could land then great, it's just that I think we're lower on the totem pole than most other B1G and SEC jobs, so the most proven GO5 HC's will probably be hired away by one of the bigger boys, depending on who is in the market for an HC when CTA actually loses his job. But who knows when that will be, it could be at the end of the season, but given his buyout, I think it's more likely that Dolson lets him comeback next year.

 

[IUFANBB]

This may sound crazy but hear Me out. I was wondering about Luke Fickell's contract status at Cincy. My guess is that after going to the Championship last year He got a raise and Extension and makes more than Allen does at IU. But think about this.

If He wants to Coach In the Big Ten, when should He pull the trigger? With Conference Expansion, it will be more difficult for Cincy to get to the Championship. Let's face it, last Year was the Perfect Storm for them, Everything fell into place, and You got a result You will see only once every 20 Years. Even if they expand the number of teams in the Championship Series, It will take More wins to get to the final Four.

Fickell's ideal job would be OSU , but Ryan Day is only 40 years old, and doesn't look like He is going anywhere soon. He may not want to try to wait it out,

Add to everything else that His Maketability is at it's peak. There is no guarantee that He will be a hot commodity 5 years from now.

Assuming the numbers work out, would He consider a move to IU to get into the Big 10?

He already makes more then we would be willing to offer Max. Why would he gamble like that? He can get a Max deal in the SEC if he keeps winning at CINCY. Two or 3 bad years at IU and he is yesterday's news.

 

[vesuvius13]

Set him up with a hooker (preferably a tranny) and blow. Take some pics. Shitcan him on a morals clause. Pay him ZERO. Done and done.

No chance and is the reason Parents in the South trust coach Allen.

 

[h20pls]

The only tweak to that was that the poor guy was actually hung from scaffolding (on the W side during construction). He was clearly murdered and only a half a-- investigation done was by the local constabulary before they called it a suicide and moved on the way I recall it...

Had a little international intrigue twist too as it involved several Russian language students whose bill was being footed by the A.F... during the Cold War... One conjecture was that he had some dirt on one or more of his fellow students and was dispatched to keep him quiet...

RIP

His father kept the investigation alive until he passed some years back... Supposedly the local gendarmes botched it horribly....

//The above is only my recollection of an article I read, it may contain one or more inaccuracies...( and probably does)...//

What?

Commies in Bloomington?

I don't believe it.

 

[sparkeyreturns]

I actually was thinking along those lines in the third quarter. I shook my head and was a little disappointed that I considered it.

Do you think it would work?

I could go down to Bloomington in a dress and give it a shot

 

[Pazhoosier85]

We've got to get someone that can recruit. We have been trying to build a program with two and three star recruits and that just doesn't cut it. A successful program starts with good recruiting, something that has been missing at IU for years.

Recruiting has been great under TA. The development of players under his watch not so much. In fact, many players have regressed under his watch. Is Taiwan Mullen even going to get drafted? He was an all American two years ago.

 

[ulrey]

There was a question if the stadium was cursed when a student was found hanging from a goal post as the stadium was being built. It was never certain if it was suicide or murder. My brother was down there at the time.

We’ll hell you’d think PSU would be cursed then..