Russia-Ukraine war has begun
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Gas is fungible and both supplies use a common EU distribution system.
Separatist leaders are now "begging the Kremlin" for help to fight of the "evil aggressing Ukraine armies".
Sounds like real news to me.
Sounds like real news to me.
Yes. Germany's interest is in doubling the size of the share of gas passing through, potentially taking market share from Ukraine and Poland. But they are all connected, and if Russia shut off their gas entirely, Europe could simply use other supplies for a while. German analysts today announced that they (Europe) could get through the rest of winter on reserves alone if they had to.
Someone needs to...those poor souls are being brutally attacked.Do you think Putin will help them?
Rumors are just rumors, but worth noting this The Guardian just shared:
It's currently 1:00 AM in Kyiv.
It's currently 1:00 AM in Kyiv.
I don't understand the mentality of the Ukrainian leadership. I am reading almost nothing about their preparation. Only today they called for reservists? This is the time to call for immediate conscription of all men 16-60 with threat of arrest.
Not if your plan is an insurgency.
There is no point in pulling together any type of standing military force, it will just get rolled over. You fight delaying actions and give up ground. Have units lay low while the Russian heavy forces move past. They then hit the supply lines and melt into the citizenry. Cross the Dnieper, blow the bridges, and settle in for a long and drawn out conflict with NATO weapons pouring in from the West.
That is the only chance they have. They cannot win the field in the initial push. They have to make Russian mothers receive their dead sons for the next several years in protracted low intensity guerilla warfare. That is their only chance.
Western region around Romania is more mountainous (Carpathians) but the east is pretty flat. That is part of the reason the Russians are so worried about that area. NATO forces would be able to drive deep into Russia fairly quickly with Ukraine as a jumping off point.
Lots of unconfirmed reports from supposed locals on social media that the Russians have started shelling around Mariupol.
Edit: Ukraine has completely shut down its airspace to civilian aircraft. It had previously shut down specific airports near Russia.
Edit: Ukraine has completely shut down its airspace to civilian aircraft. It had previously shut down specific airports near Russia.
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Well here we go. Got to see the Berlin Wall come down as a child and now I am going to get to see an iron curtain metaphorically erected again.
Russia and China are a real existential threat to the West. We need to get our shit together collectively because those 2 are bad news.
Russia and China are a real existential threat to the West. We need to get our shit together collectively because those 2 are bad news.
Putin announcing to the Russian people a "special military operation" right now.
Edit: CNN reporting explosions in Kyiv.
Edit: CNN reporting explosions in Kyiv.
Putin declared his intention to "demilitarize" and "de-Nazify" Ukraine. I'm not sure what "de-Nazify" is code for. Is it a claim that the Ukrainian government are Fascists? Or is it that they are under the thumb of Europe? Or is it just a generic dig at anything seen as anti-Russian?
Edit: CNN also reporting explosions in Kharkiv. Looks like a full-scale attack. Reuters confirming sound of artillery near Kyiv.
Age old bromine about Ukraine because they welcomed the Germans into the country during WWII, which some did due to Stalin's genocide of its people. Putin is not going to let that little detail stand in his way. He's a true sociopath.
He also basically threatened nuclear retaliation if other countries get involved.
I didn't hear that part, but it definitely scans. Dude is in full-on chest-thumping mode right now.
Technically speaking, these aren't war crimes. A war of aggression can be considered a "crime against peace," thanks to WW2, but that kind of crime only matters if you have a guy in a cell.
Ah, I did hear that. I took it as generic "stay out of our business" bluster. I hope it's not a nuclear threat.
NBC reporter in Kyiv says booms are in the distance and no sirens or other alarms have sounded.
"Putin warned other countries that any attempt to interfere with the Russian action would lead to 'consequences they have never seen.'"
I took that as the nuclear threat.
Ukrainian Interior Ministry: "Invasion has begun" and sounds of explosions are Russian missile strikes.
Charge him with whatever Terminology you wanna call it, I think it matters. And it should happen immediately. And that should be a big international declaration. It will color The international opprobrium extreme.
Can't be flippant about these things. It's not something you do as a reaction. You gather evidence, you make a case, you make a charge. International law, to this day, is very tenuous.
Well I’m certainly not suggesting being flippant. I think it’s clear that Putin unilaterally sent his military across the border. He even admitted as much on Russian TV. There’s plenty of evidence there that this is an unprovoked invasion. And people are going to die. It should be done properly as you say and it should be done post haste.
I agree with that. I'm just saying do it with proper procedure. Don't just get in front of a TV camera and say it.
Ukrainian Ambassador to the UN basically asking for Russia to be expelled from the UNSC, if not the UN.
If I understood correctly the Russian representative countered that they hadn’t executed a war but some sort of special procedure or whatever. My response would be in that case you have no problem with the UN or the United States sending military planes to protect Kiev, right?
Call their lying ****ing Bluffs.
I thought our meetings with Putin, Lavrov, et al were ridiculous as well. We looked pathetic as they basically spit at us. I'm all in favor of diplomacy, but it takes two to tango.
At least we're on record for trying. I don't think anyone beyond maybe some Russians will be confused on who is wrong.
EDIT: And some really stupid Americans.
