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President 2020


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I still think his platforms are too extreme even for this election. I don't see it happening but I should have added him. Sorry about that.

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considered rational and not extreme,

1 trillion dollar tax cut for billionaires and multi national corps, and exporting the good jobs and tax bases for cities all over the US.

an AR-15 under every Christmas tree.

20% credit card interest on consumer and small business debt, when the Fed rate is 2%. (nice 1,000% monopolistically protected margin without ever having to stock a shelf).

paying twice as much for healthcare as the rest of the world, with worse results and less of the citizenry covered, when the better less costly solution is already proven and known by all. not only killing and bankrupting US citizens daily, but killing jobs as well.

a giant wall between the US and Mexico as an immigration policy, and deporting people who have lived their whole life in the US, even serving in the military.

700,000 people arrested for pot in the US in 2018, more than any of the previous 10 yrs.

still never an OD from pot in 1,000 plus yrs of use by hundreds of millions of users, and many positive effects now conceded even by life long opponents. so we're doing this why??????????.

average college student debt in 2019 over $30,000.

2019 US student debt $1.5 trillion, (up $79 billion in 2018, and $29 billion in the 1st quarter of 2019), vs $1.28 trillion for all US auto debt.


considered socialist crazyville level extreme,

sensible gun regulation,

lowering healthcare costs while still covering more people for more things, while removing a $1,000 mo anchor from every job and new hire.

going from 13 grades of public education to 15 or 17 grades, despite a college diploma now being the equivalent of what a HS used to be to employers. (someone for 13 yrs of public education is a normal patriotic capitalist. those for 15 yrs are crazyville communists).

cigarette smoking drunks not arresting people for pot anymore, and creating a new tax base while not arresting people who have never harmed anyone or themselves. (i know, freedom is as socialist and crazyville level anti American an idea as one can possibly have).

not deporting someone who has lived in the US their whole life, and giving refuge to people we put in life threatening harms way to begin with.
 
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Where have republicans been on the deficit since 2000? Some of us would actually like to be running a surplus. Some of us like a strong dollar. Were you against the government bailouts of massive corporations? Whereas you now oppose the public owning parts of some companies? (Not sure where that one came from.) Those of us that believe in capitalism staunchly opposed bailouts of corporations who took risk and failed. That's supposed to be how the free market works.

On immigration, the GOP has done nothing but encourage a flow of cheap labor to undercut American workers. Look at the Trump corps abuse of worker visas. Pay a fair wage and lets get Americans above walmart wages. You want to stop immigration; where are the criminal prosecutions of business owners who knowingly hire illegals? Put a few CEOs in jail and illegal immigration stops cold in its tracks. Those investigations are few and far between.

You get my drift.
Don't worry about the deficit.

In about six months (when Trump realizes he needs a big boost to his dwindling poll numbers), Trump will push for another tax cut that he claims will generate more government revenue than the tax savings amounts to.

Isn't that what happened from the last Trump tax cuts? He's an economic genius, you know.
 
This pole has mayor Pete, Joe Biden, Donald Trump in that order so far. I would love to see Pete upstage Trump if ever given the chance. Would substance convince the American people or do we hope Biden can win the war of Trump bad elect me.
 
Which policies?

Edit liberal judges, Medicare for all, higher taxes, green new deal, open borders, more business regulation,

Edit forgive tens of millions of student debt, free education for all, a plan that would guarantee workers 20% stake in the country’s largest companies, stopping fracking on day one,
Well I don't think they'll get most of those things.... it's a gamble I know. I do not trust Trump a bit.
 
What did president Obama do about immigration when Dems controlled House & Senate. He gave nice speeches that sounded like republicans now

Doesnt matter what Obama did. What matters is that you are being duped by the guy in the WH who is lying to your face. Case in point the vast expansion of H2 visas, which incidentally help his personal businesses. Idk about Americans picking tomatoes, but I'm certain there are plenty of Americans willing to work at Mar lago at fair market wages. This administration and this Congress are completely unserious about protecting American workers. It took them 3 flipping years to do anything about the H1B scams. Meanwhile, they've literally forced displaced American workers fighting the legality of work visas for H1B spouses to go to court. This could be solved by a simple rule revision. There are American workers who train their foreign replacements. You can't make this up. Then other Americans train the spouses of the foreigners who replaced Americans, who in turn replace them. It's a scheme by big business to save $$. (And I'm not even getting into the horrendous conditions under which H1B workers are subjected to. Indentured servants. One facebook or google employee took his life recently)

One of the only industries in which new workers can earn a decent wage (tech) is being kneecapped by corporations interested in insourcing the cheapest labour possible. I'm not even going into the national security implications.
 
This pole has mayor Pete, Joe Biden, Donald Trump in that order so far. I would love to see Pete upstage Trump if ever given the chance. Would substance convince the American people or do we hope Biden can win the war of Trump bad elect me.
Deval Patrick is mulling a run now too. I don’t have a deeply informed opinion of him, but this is at least a little interesting.
 
Would you rather have 4 more years of this situation in the white house where advisors are coming out of the wood work as to the inner workings of the Trump admin, their war room, which look more and more authoritarian with propaganda, or would you take a Warren or Biden. Warren wants to revamp trillions of our debt to secure her beliefs and ideas. Biden seems to be the pick that would keep the main status quo for what we have seen in democrats of the past. What do we want!

Mayor Pete, if older imo, is the obvious choice and speaks to the heart of so many American families. I just don't see him having a chance. (I still voted for him) in this poll.
I would never vote for one of those socialist idiots.
 
Deval Patrick is mulling a run now too. I don’t have a deeply informed opinion of him, but this is at least a little interesting.


The Dems are basically shitting their pants that they have been unable to actually run anyone that people would actually vote for. Biden is seen as acceptable from a policy position, but doesn't seem far away from drooling in his soup. Warren and Sanders are more ancient white people with policy ideas that make people run back into the tiny hands of DJT.

It's a fkn disaster yet again.
 
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Doesnt matter what Obama did. What matters is that you are being duped by the guy in the WH who is lying to your face. Case in point the vast expansion of H2 visas, which incidentally help his personal businesses. Idk about Americans picking tomatoes, but I'm certain there are plenty of Americans willing to work at Mar lago at fair market wages. This administration and this Congress are completely unserious about protecting American workers. It took them 3 flipping years to do anything about the H1B scams. Meanwhile, they've literally forced displaced American workers fighting the legality of work visas for H1B spouses to go to court. This could be solved by a simple rule revision. There are American workers who train their foreign replacements. You can't make this up. Then other Americans train the spouses of the foreigners who replaced Americans, who in turn replace them. It's a scheme by big business to save $$. (And I'm not even getting into the horrendous conditions under which H1B workers are subjected to. Indentured servants. One facebook or google employee took his life recently)

One of the only industries in which new workers can earn a decent wage (tech) is being kneecapped by corporations interested in insourcing the cheapest labour possible. I'm not even going into the national security implications.

employers don't pay payroll tax on H1Bs either.
 
You prefer the moral, ethical and intellectual black hole we have now?

Americans earned the title for all time when voted Obama into office (twice)

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employers don't pay payroll tax on H1Bs either.

I didn't know that about H1B. I do know that about OPT, another big corporate scheme to decimate American workers. Nearly 1 million foreign grads working in this country after graduation on student visas. They live 10 to a room, eat ramen for meals. Severely underpaid. Displacing American recent grads.
 
The Dems are basically shitting their pants that they have been unable to actually run anyone that people would actually vote for. Biden is seen as acceptable from a policy position, but doesn't seem far away from drooling in his soup. Warren and Sanders are more ancient white people with policy ideas that make people run back into the tiny hands of DJT.
Except that the polling says otherwise. All the major candidates beat Trump head to head.

Dems know the stakes, and want to make sure they get this right. That's what's behind all the hand wringing.
 
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Except that the polling says otherwise. All the major candidates beat Trump head to head.

Dems know the stakes, and want to make sure they get this right. That's what's behind all the hand wringing.
Nor is it a monolithic strategy by the Democrats. Each of the candidates makes their own assessment. Patrick thinks he might see an in. Not sure what's wrong with that ... unless from Democrats' perspective that drains resources for leading candidates. My uninformed guess is that it's way too early to worry about that.

I don't particularly buy into all the labels, but I'd guess the failure of the Harris and Booker campaigns to really take off has Patrick's attention. That's not a function of race, either. Harris and Booker were two of the bigger "mainstream" names without significant baggage (beyond the norms) leading into the election season. Biden and Sanders face age scrutiny, Warren faces some ideology scrutiny. Those were essentially all the big names. Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Castro, etc. didn't really have that name recognition/advantage and might have had an opening, but haven't yet capitalized. From the way, way outside looking in, this lay person gets how a well-connected, former two-term governor of Massachusetts with meaningful name recognition and both liberal and business bona fides might be assessing options right now.
 
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Nor is it a monolithic strategy by the Democrats. Each of the candidates makes their own assessment. Patrick thinks he might see an in. Not sure what's wrong with that ... unless from Democrats' perspective that drains resources for leading candidates. My uninformed guess is that it's way too early to worry about that.

I don't particularly buy into all the labels, but I'd guess the failure of the Harris and Booker campaigns to really take off has Patrick's attention. That's not a function of race, either. Harris and Booker were two of the bigger "mainstream" names without significant baggage (beyond the norms) leading into the election season. Biden and Sanders face age scrutiny, Warren faces some ideology scrutiny. Those were essentially all the big names. Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Castro, etc. didn't really have that name recognition/advantage and might have had an opening, but haven't yet capitalized. From the way, way outside looking in, this lay person gets how a well-connected, former two-term governor of Massachusetts with meaningful name recognition and both liberal and business bona fides might be assessing options right now.

He has no name ID. No chance. Too late in the game. Steyer with his billions isn't making a dent. Take a poll of your average primary voter, say the name Patrick and your average voter says, "who?"
 
Nor is it a monolithic strategy by the Democrats. Each of the candidates makes their own assessment. Patrick thinks he might see an in. Not sure what's wrong with that ... unless from Democrats' perspective that drains resources for leading candidates. My uninformed guess is that it's way too early to worry about that.

I don't particularly buy into all the labels, but I'd guess the failure of the Harris and Booker campaigns to really take off has Patrick's attention. That's not a function of race, either. Harris and Booker were two of the bigger "mainstream" names without significant baggage (beyond the norms) leading into the election season. Biden and Sanders face age scrutiny, Warren faces some ideology scrutiny. Those were essentially all the big names. Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Castro, etc. didn't really have that name recognition/advantage and might have had an opening, but haven't yet capitalized. From the way, way outside looking in, this lay person gets how a well-connected, former two-term governor of Massachusetts with meaningful name recognition and both liberal and business bona fides might be assessing options right now.


I'll wager he stays out (and I'd probably wager he can't overcome the obstacles if he didn't), but I think there's likely a lot of misplaced hand-wringing and incredulity that he'd run. I'm absolutely uninformed on this, but I'm skeptical of theoretical huge, sweeping establishment efforts to push candidates or the notion that "Democrats are unhappy with their choices". Like most people who run for President, there's a high likelihood that Patrick just wants to be President and that's most of the story here.

Leaving aside the too late to raise money obstacle, I'd think never-Trumpers would have some interest in Patrick, not least because some Democrats will surely push against Patrick and his Bain Capital background.
 
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No matter the liberal nominee, I foresee more tears, comfort teady bear hugging, pajama wearing, melt downs. This very well may be repeated until our children are taught to have some external gonads and intelligence too their self worth. Parents, step up and stop this scourge that you have created. This is your parental call to arms. Let you Be warned.
 
No matter the liberal nominee, I foresee more tears, comfort teady bear hugging, pajama wearing, melt downs. This very well may be repeated until our children are taught to have some external gonads and intelligence too their self worth. Parents, step up and stop this scourge that you have created. This is your parental call to arms. Let you Be warned.
pwn the libs
 
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No matter the liberal nominee, I foresee more tears, comfort teady bear hugging, pajama wearing, melt downs. This very well may be repeated until our children are taught to have some external gonads and intelligence too their self worth. Parents, step up and stop this scourge that you have created. This is your parental call to arms. Let you Be warned.

Parents, step up and teach your children how to communicate with the written word. This is your parental call to arms!
 
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I'll wager he stays out (and I'd probably wager he can't overcome the obstacles if he didn't), but I think there's likely a lot of misplaced hand-wringing and incredulity that he'd run. I'm absolutely uninformed on this, but I'm skeptical of theoretical huge, sweeping establishment efforts to push candidates or the notion that "Democrats are unhappy with their choices". Like most people who run for President, there's a high likelihood that Patrick just wants to be President and that's most of the story here.

Leaving aside the too late to raise money obstacle, I'd think never-Trumpers would have some interest in Patrick, not least because some Democrats will surely push against Patrick and his Bain Capital background.
 
No matter the liberal nominee, I foresee more tears, comfort teady bear hugging, pajama wearing, melt downs. This very well may be repeated until our children are taught to have some external gonads and intelligence too their self worth. Parents, step up and stop this scourge that you have created. This is your parental call to arms. Let you Be warned.

As I have posted several times; if the Dem focus remains on an impeachment that isn't going anywhere rather than on a message of future...repairing the damage done by Trump we well may see what you describe once again.

If they put 1 1000th of the effort into Pete or other reasonable nominee that they do Schipp this would be over already.
 
As I have posted several times; if the Dem focus remains on an impeachment that isn't going anywhere rather than on a message of future...repairing the damage done by Trump we well may see what you describe once again.

If they put 1 1000th of the effort into Pete or other reasonable nominee that they do Schipp this would be over already.

I don’t completely disagree, but the first order of business is to stop the damage being done by Trump. He is peeling back our institutions and norms daily. We cannot repair until he is stopped from hurting this country and our world standing.

With the evidence, the Democrats are doing their constitutional duty by going forward the impeachment inquiry. I don’t care if it politically expedient or not. It’s the right thing to do. I just wish the GOP took their duty similarly serious.
 
I don’t completely disagree, but the first order of business is to stop the damage being done by Trump. He is peeling back our institutions and norms daily. We cannot repair until he is stopped from hurting this country and our world standing.

With the evidence, the Democrats are doing their constitutional duty by going forward the impeachment inquiry. I don’t care if it politically expedient or not. It’s the right thing to do. I just wish the GOP took their duty similarly serious.

The impeachment won't end Trump, the election will. The Dem's strategy is risky.
 
The impeachment won't end Trump, the election will. The Dem's strategy is risky.

I did t say end I said stop. Everything Trump gets away with adds to his audacity. That is why the Democrats are and should be fighting him at every turn. The tax return cases are a good example. This is much bigger than a political issue IMO.
 
I did t say end I said stop. Everything Trump gets away with adds to his audacity. That is why the Democrats are and should be fighting him at every turn. The tax return cases are a good example. This is much bigger than a political issue IMO.

Agree they should fight him in the areas outside of logical policy but they appear to be hanging their hats on this process that not only doesn't go anywhere but has the potential to backfire. There are a couple or three candidates that can win it straight up if given the chance.
 
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